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Jujutsu Kaisen 2x5 Reaction Extended (YT link below) (Patreon)

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In Jujutsu Kaisen episode 2x5, Premature Death,  

Haruka: we can reduce the amount of curses by... 

Geto: KILLING EVERYONE! 

Haruka: y...yes?

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Jasmine Tea Enjoyer

Been dying for your thoughts on this episode. Massive moral dilemma. I of course know Geto is in the wrong but... I can't help but think I personally would do exactly what he is doing if I was in his position. At the end of the day, we as humans can only really care and love about so many people. Geto is correctly realizing that even if he survives decades doing this work, he will have to watch all of his friends and comrades, the people he actually cares about, die, one by one. Its inevitable. If I had to choose between growing old and watching all my friends get murdered infront of me and taking things into my own hands... well you already know.

agoodwintv
>>114565715

This episode was essential for me in that I now feel connected enough to Geto to at least understand how he got there, and to sympathize a bit. Though, as I said in the video, I'm not convinced this really is just a calculated move to do what he feels is right and to save the people he cares about. I think a lot of it is that he's been broken and is looking for a focal point on which to target his despair.

Jake White

To your point about Gojo maybe not noticing or being able to do anything about Geto’s slipping down a darker path: @1:30 he asks Geto if hes doing alright cause he seems to have lost weight, so we know he’s at least keenly aware that something is bothering or eating away at Geto, but unfortunately asking and checking in on someone just can’t do much to help when that person responds with “I’m fine” and doesn’t address what the issue is. I think sadly the past year of solo missions for both of them has left Geto feeling so far behind Gojo that it seems like he’s apprehensive to being vulnerable or opening up to him. Which isn’t entirely surprising, he watched his best friend that was definitely still strong but used to be much closer to comparable levels, to the point where the 2 of them together were always referred to as “WE are the strongest” grow to such an unparalleled level of strength that it’s probably hard for him to even imagine that Gojo might be understanding or helpful with advice towards Geto’s issues. After all, we already saw that in episode 1 when they were at the peak of their friendship, they still had disagreements and differences that were strong enough for them to fight each other over. Sure, somewhat playfully and unserious. But if that’s what their friendship was like at its height, you can kinda guess what isolation Geto must really be feeling now after a year of them growing further and further apart. Honestly this episode and respective manga chapters are why Geto is one of my favorite anime villains, just such a well written and understandable gradual fall into the darkness that I’m sure most of us have either related to it in some way before, or know someone that has.

agoodwintv
>>114567536

That just helped Geto's accusation of arrogance in the Shinjuku scene click a lot more for me. Seems like it's not necessarily that he covets Gojo's power so that he can complete his task easier, but instead maybe a regret that he isn't strong enough to find a better way. Just a thought

Bighead

You kind of mentioned it, but it's interesting how Geto waited for a "point" (as he puts), or a reason to turn his back on protecting non sorcerers. As much as he's had an innate unconscious resentment towards them since a long time, he's managed to reel in his anger towards non sorcerers after Riko's death for maybe more than a year now before Yuki stirred the pot(unknowingly of course) and came up with an explanation to how "killing/getting rid" of non sorcerers could help to rid the world of cursed spirits, hence actually giving him a "reason" (as twisted as it may be) to act on his resentment. You have to wonder if it weren't for his loneliness and lack of someone to lean on, that he would have become who he is today. As unfortunate as it is that Gojo couldn't see the state Geto was in sooner, it's also understandable given how Jujutsu Tech pushed mission after mission to the "strongest sorcerer" and kept him busy and unable to really fully take in what was actually happening around him. This is where the glaring problem with the Jujutsu society comes back in as you've mentioned many a times. Using sorcerers, mainly vulnerable teenage kids, as tools without any proper guidance or help to cope mentally and emotionally, given the field of work they are in. This seems like a job that requires a standby 24/7 therapist at all times lol. Also I'm curious to hear your thoughts on the "Are you the strongest because you're Satoru Gojo, or are you Satoru Gojo because you're the strongest?" line. I didn't really think much about it the first time I read it, but someone paraphrased it and I found it rather interesting and intriguing as to why Geto said that to Gojo- "Did you become the strongest because of the person that you are? Or did you become the person that are you because you're the strongest" It almost feels like Geto is trying to make Gojo doubt his identity and his values, questioning whether he would still be the Gojo he is today, with his personality and all, if it weren't for his powers; stripping him of his identity and diminishing him to his powers like the rest of the Jujutsu society was doing all along. Don't really know how much sense this makes. And if I'm not wrong, Yu Haibara's(who I can't help but notice is so similar to Yuji with his happy go lucky nature) death was the reason that pushed Nanami to quit Jujutsu and take on a corporate job. The Jujutsu society is truly a nightmare of a job where you'll die or live long enough to see your comrades die, all while trying to protect the non sorcerers from curses that are ultimately birthed due to the very people you're fighting for. Or you'll just live long enough to become the villain like Geto. It's true when they said, no sane person would be able to take on this job.

agoodwintv
>>114568118

I'm thinking about that scene and that moment a lot now, and my feeling is that it's something like an accusation based on Geto's guilt, and is in some way an admission of weakness and wrongdoing. It's like... "I got here because of what I had to go through, you wouldn't understand because of the gifts you have." It feels like an excuse, the kind that feels bad coming out of your mouth because on some level you know that there's something better that you have given up on. And also maybe a jab at him for being so great that he didn't have time for his best friend in a time of crisis

matthew bremmer

Gojo one year later: Yea, I don't plan on ever losing a fight again.

Bighead
>>114568118

Ohh that makes a lot of sense too!! Just read Jake's comment which gives great context to a lot of what Geto says to Gojo. I like how ambiguous that line is though. I assumed after Geto cut ties with his loved ones, i.e his parents in an effort to resolve himself of the new path he's pursuing, Gojo was the last one he wanted to cut ties with and hence that line almost like a jab at him. Just a different perspective, but it also feels like that line was a nudge for Gojo from Geto to actually think about what path HE wants to pursue for himself that isn't set by the Jujutsu tech standards of acting like disposable curse killing machines. He says, "I've decided on the path I want to take", almost asking him, "do you have your own thoughts of what you want to do that isn't reliant on what Jujutsu Tech wants of you or on what your "power" is meant for, but rather you as an individual and not the strongest sorcerer?" And it seems like it was after this incident that Gojo really started to form his own thoughts on Jujutsu society and start acting independently. Big apologies for this word salad.

Emman Reed

Haha awesome reaction and can't wait for the upcoming craziness. I love the art style and this story is pretty crazy honestly. I agree with a lot of what you had to say and your commentary and reaction is always great! Personally I found Geto's "Villain Origin" to be very interesting, just considering the structure for the "evil/bad" of the story to stem from humans themselves, I think that Geto also having the "rift" (as you put it in season2ep1's reaction) is what caused him to begin the segregation in his mind. Either way I really enjoyed the flashback as well. Really really awesome reaction and I wonder how this plays out in present time. I think I heard that they are doing 2 or 3 recap episodes, from now to the movie then back to Yuji timeline. I'm hoping its in this new art style too. I'm very excited for this because to me this story has a few veils to it (haha).

armando

just the functional application of getos CT is really clean writing, the consumption of constant negative energy pushing him further into his negative spiral. ties in nicely to him questioning gojo on what exactly his identity is and how much of it is a result of factors he had no control over. can even apply this to a wider range in jjk - ie how much of say megumi’s actions are defined by his ‘ace in the sleeve’ (namely his more sacrificial tendencies). how much of todo’s questioning regarding type is due to the fact his CT works best when working with someone else? mechamaru in his separation from others. toji and his existence as an outlier. even more obviously applicable to the cursed spirits themselves (jogo’s fiery passion, mahito’s ‘humanity’ in all the wrong ways). just an interesting thought that i believe gets more and more interesting as the series go on

macrowave

I just realized that Maki in season 1, who has the same heavenly pact as Toji, was talking about needing to find a way to carry all her cursed weapons with her at all times. Toji had the slug curse thing that he ate, but in the second half of the season Megumi was carrying Maki's weapons with that portal hand thing he can do, just like Toji's curse. Also, the discussions in this episode have made me even MORE excited for your HxH reactions, if that's possible

bl0odm1st

Just to be clear, the “What kind of girl is your type” question was asked by Todo’s teacher this episode. It’s both their thing to get first impressions of others.

agoodwintv
>>114573104

I remembered later on that she was the girl on the vespa in the Todo flashback. I referred to her as Haruko from FLCL in her introduction . Then somehow I proceeded to even get that name wrong by misspelling it in the description

Chris Sharpe

The woman the Geto talked to, Yuki Tsukumo, was Todo’s mentor who taught him everything he knows. She’s also the one who gave him his scar on his eye from training. I think Gojo’s lack of awareness of Geto’s situation was because he was so used to leaning on Geto as a moral compass and a source of stability. I’m sure anyone who worked with the two friends would have thought that, if anyone would go off the handle, it would be Gojo. I think this deeply shook Gojo, seeing someone that he thought was an endless source of stability suddenly snap. I think that forced him to become a more balanced individual. Gojo could have easily (and maybe would have) become a malevolent god to Jujutsu society, but instead chose to try to influence affairs within it, as he realized that god powers can’t solve everything and dedicated himself to a noble profession of teaching the next generation. Gojo can be still unhinged, morally questionable, and egotistical, but he balances this with a desire to try his best and lower himself to interact with people far “lower” than him.

Jasmine Tea Enjoyer

I actually teared up a little during the final scene when Gojo wakes up and sees all his students around him smiling. I feel so bad for Gojo man... dude was born with godly powers without asking for them, had only one true friend his entire life, and was eventually forced to kill said friend. Meanwhile he is so joyful and loves life, loves other people, and yet can't become truly intimate with anyone else due to his power.

chonkey donkey

only down from here🥲... savor some of next episodes happiness. also just a reminder the next episode releases on the 31st

Khalid

The direction in season 2 is just something else. The way the clapping sound keeps coming is such a genius way to let us know what’s inside geto’s mind, just like you said “it feels real”.

K. Unknown
>>114565715

It's not "just" a calculated move to do what he feels is right and save the people he cares about, but I do think those motives factor into it. Very few choices are ever made for a single reason, especially big ones. I would say that he's definitely broken and looking for a focal point for his despair, but that doesn't necessarily mean there's no truth to this goal also being something he believes in. Every human being is a mess of complicated and sometimes contradictory or semi-contradictory motives. In Geto's case, I think the desire to protect the people he cares about and eliminate curses is very real, but it's also something that he can use to justify unleashing his rage at the non-sorceror world. I guess that's where I find his ideology most flawed: that it is an ideology at all. Ironically, in the scene with the Star Religious Group's applause, Geto's faltering moral compass gave Gojo the answer of "don't kill this room full of scumbags, and yes there needs to be a point to drastic measures". But honestly, Gojo's "Does there really need to be a point?" is a question I probably would have answered with "no." It is probably a good thing that I'm disabled AND will never get superpowers.

RoZiiii

Man no wonder Gojo hates the higher ups in Jujutsu society, seeing his best friend get broken and his other classmates getting killed due to going out constantly on missions alone when they should've been on a break.

Jasmine Tea Enjoyer
>>114579192

Straight up some of the best animation I have ever seen in my life... I still pinch myself every episode to make sure I am not dreaming. We are being blessed.

Jasmine Tea Enjoyer
>>114580876

Yeah I don't understand why the graduates of Jujutsu High aren't doing the heavy lifting and why they put everything on the students themselves. Doesn't make any sense to me.

NitrousOxide19

Idk what it means but was a good bit of narrative symmetry that both Suguru and Satoru adopted kids at the end of this arc. i would love for you to rewatch JJK0, i always found the order of release for the anime to be quite weird tbh (finding out geto's reasoning would make him feel less one note in JJK0 as a frieza-type monkey hater), i think S1 -> this arc -> JJK 0 -> next arc is what it should have been to be honest.

Anya Mcghee

Another large contributer to the path that Geto and Gojo take could also be related to their innate abilities. Gojo, who saw the 'infinite' and with that probably gained a higher understanding of purpose while Geto's ability makes him litterally taste humanity's sins, so that bitterness likely built up over time as well.

KuroNekoMataXIII

It's very small, but I also liked how this flashback shows maybe one of the reasons why Nanami left to be a business man and referred to the sorcerer world as 'shit.' I also remember in season 1 when Gojo pairs Yuji up with Nanami. I couldn't help but feel like Haibara had a similar personality to Yuji. And maybe that's why Gojo thought Nanami would be good for Yuji. And then I got a little sad by that. This flashback was so well done. I really want to re-watch season 1 & the movie now.

Merfhew

I was super impressed by the depiction of Geto being haunted by that clapping. You wouldn't expect such a common human custom to serve as the major catalyst for his two worldviews colliding into each other, but last week's episode really depicted a traumatic experience for Geto. I was also impressed with the use of running water as a metaphor to signal when Geto was questioning himself and the path he was taking. In the shower scene, he referred to non-sorcerers as monkeys for the first time (which is how Toji described himself last episode), and in the scene with Yuki, he brought up the idea of eliminating non-sorcerers for the first time (just as it started to rain). You could view the water like a ticking time bomb that kept being defused, an hourglass that occasionally falls over which continues to drain when you pick it back up, or the flow of time slowly turning a person into a jaded shell of themselves. Unfortunately, bombs will eventually explode, hourglass sands don't move in reverse, and time keeps marching forward. Without an intervention early on, he was practically destined to take this route. My biggest complaint this episode was the animation we saw during Gojo and Geto's infamous breakup scene (right in front of a KFC). I really dislike how they designed the passerbys. Their appearances, their movements, and the fact that nobody reacted when Gojo positioned himself to attack Geto. Maybe it was the director trying to show us how Geto views the world now, effectively saying, "Nothing we do changes anything." However, if that's what they were going for, I don't think it was overly successful. I also disliked the frequent interrupting cars. That took me out of the moment, and it felt completely unnecessary (which is a shame, because I've seen this technique used effectively in other shows). Gojo's body proportions looked unnatural at times, too, but that's a bit too minor of a complaint even for me. Still, I think this scene tugged at my heart strings and looked MUCH better in JJK0. That's not a hit on the difference in animation style. It just feels like the anime tried too hard to make the scene cinematic.

Jasmine Tea Enjoyer
>>114598374

I agree that the Gojo x Geto breakup scene did hit a lot harder in the JJK 0 movie but I think thats why they decided to change it so much in this version, making it more upbeat and tense rather than the movies more melancholic and depressed feel. It would be even more weird imo if they tried to just to do the exact same scene as the movie in the show with all the same shots and direction etc.

macrowave

With JJK on break for a couple weeks, are you going to do a reaction to Atom Eve? It's an Invincible special episode that aired a week or two ago. Season 2 also starts next month I think

agoodwintv
>>114593152

Yeah it would have added a lot to the movie for sure. I guess the benefit of doing it this way is the feeling of dread knowing what's coming, and picking out relevant details that led to his decline. But all said and done, I think I would have liked your order better as well.

Tommy Nguyen
>>114598374

To be honest it was very faithful to the manga adaptation, the way it's drawn is essentially a straight, "casual" back-and-forth conversation between the two, despite how deep it really is, there isn't a significant cut or emphasis on any angles.