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In Spy x Family 1x24, The Role of Mother and Wife & Shopping with Friends, love is war and whoever confesses first gets knocked TF out. Nothing you do will make anyone love you, except for Martha who already does.

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Chris Sharpe

I think I am starting to see a pattern of not totally vibing with the main pairings of a series as everyone else. Aang x Katara, Miyuki x Kaguya, Loid x Yor. Not criticism, I enjoy the commentary and think it is interesting. Anyways, I think it’s funny how Loid gets his shit rocked when trying to be a smooth talking James Bond spy, but is actually able to form a deeper connection with Yor when he opens up. I am also seeing a consistency where the kids in Eden are all super geniuses that have anxieties of kids more than twice their age (upholding the family name, their father’s company being bought out, impressing crushes), meanwhile Anya is just a normal five year old gremlin.

iaani

Loid and Yor's relationship? I'm just here to hear Borf borf

Jasmine Tea Enjoyer

As Chris pointed out, very true that you seem to almost always have issues with the main romantic pairings of all the shows you watch on here. (Aang x Katara, Miyuki x Kaguya, Loid x Yor, Tohru x Kyo from Fruits Basket, Vi x Caitlyn from Arcane, Callum x Rayla from Dragon Prince) The only main canon ships I can even remember you not having issues with were Violet x Gilbert in Violet Evergarden and Ed x Winry in Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood. (With the latter barely even being a romance and more just you liking Winry yourself lol, don't we all) I wonder why this pattern is a thing, you've talked about how its very hard for romance to be depicted in a way that seems believable or totally understandable from your perspective because usually romance contains an x-factor that is something only the two people who are in love can actually feel and understand, but than Episode 5 of Violet Evergarden with the princess Charlotte marrying Prince Damian from the other kingdom came around and you were into that, I also love that episode of Violet. We gotta find you a Romance anime with a main couple you can actually get behind.

AlexXis Amadeus

I honestly think there's a chance that, even if they do remain a family, Yor and Loid will never be romantically involved. It seems to be heading more against that direction than into it. It's like, they have more of a chance of falling in love with the fact that they HAVE a family, moreso than falling in love with each other. At the very least, I'm glad the author isn't crude enough to allow Loid to get away with playing with Yor's feelings. That element at least needs to be smoothed over for any romance between them to feel not totally gross like a Twilight movie.

Miguel

I think the thing that makes this work for me is that Loid's statements about Yor being a good mother and him really appreciating that is 120% genuine. He might not be in love with her as a romantic partner but he seriously appreciates that aspect of her and I think that counts for something. He looks at Yor and Anya and feels warmth that they get along so well. His heart truly beats for them, that part isn't at all a front.

BirthdayParty

I think it's mostly because romance shows naturally have to drag the romance out in order to, y'know, have a show. Which I think puts Goodwin off, because he just wants them to communicate their feelings properly.

Jasmine Tea Enjoyer

But to be fair in real life people who are romantically interested in each other very often have a hard time communicating their feelings... thats the whole reason why there is usually this long drawn out process to getting to that point where they actually get together. sure sometimes irl you just find someone you like really quickly and instantly start dating, but most of the time its more similar to how it is in shows like Kaguya Sama where people will be in love with eachother for months or even years and never confess because of all of the external factors and risks involved. Kaguya Sama and Fruits Basket do not drag out their romances at all imo, they take exactly the amount of time they need for me to be fully accepting and into the main romances going on. If Tohru and Kyo got together early in S1 or Kaguya and Miyuki did the same, I wouldn't enjoy the romance nearly as much as I do with it being "dragged out" for 3 seasons.

agoodwintv

This hadn't even occurred to me but you're right! This does come up a lot. I'm trying to figure out why this is exactly

agoodwintv

These are great points, and honestly I'm not exactly sure what it is exactly, though what you said about the x-factor is definitely a part of it. It IS difficult to do romance well in shows. And I think part of that is the fact that romance is something super complicated and not easily represented 1 to 1 on screen. For example part of it is the physical attraction right? You can maybe make characters that some viewers find attractive, and that might go a long way in drawing them in. But it's not really possible to represent the feelings of attraction that one character has for another on a deep, intuitive level. It ends up being just something I can acknowledge but not really feel, as in "oh I see this person is attracted to this other person." In other words the pull of attraction can't be artificially recreated in me through watching someone else be attracted. And then another part of it is the emotional attraction and need. I think part of attraction is recognizing people that have things that exist as desire or a feeling of "lack." This was done really well in Kaguya I think and in some of the other shows you mentioned. I actually don't mind how long things take. If it feels genuine and there's something in it that sucks me in, I'm fine with it being a long "will-they-won't-they" thing. Yor and Loid is a special case I feel though, because actually it doesn't seem like there is any romance there at all, or at least there's very little of it. It's a confusing situation where they both mainly see the others as vehicles of their own convenience, which actually was fine until Fiona showed up. As soon as Fiona got there I felt like we actually DID have some intriguing romance even if it was one sided. So to go from Fiona back to Yor and Loid felt empty somehow.

agoodwintv

Yeah him switching gears from handling Yor to actually appreciating her was what I needed, even if it isn't necessarily romantic. It feels qualitatively different in that its at least honest and appreciative.

Ryan

I haven't seen Kaguya but I'm with Alex on Kataang and... Yoid?

Chris Sharpe

@Ryan I think Yoid is the best. The other options would probably be Lor, which sounds like lore, and Twilight Princess, which I think is a Zelda game.

Jasmine Tea Enjoyer

All time worst Ryan take, "BOOOOOO!!! >:(" why do grown adults all seem to dislike Kataang but literally every single child watching ATLA on Nick back in 2005 adored their relationship and cheered during the final scene when they kiss. Now in 2023 a bunch of grown Adults like Goodwin and Ryan watch it and think its a trash romance... never fails to baffle me. Kataang is GOATED and the greatest show of all time will always end with that final scene and there is nothing you can do about it.

Chris Sharpe

@Jasmine I mean, I am a bit of a Kataang apologist, but people are allowed to have different opinions, it’s not going to ruin your childhood.