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美國總統大選,發展至特朗普支持者佔領國會,月前還半開玩笑提及特朗普會否「佔領白宮」,想不到也在別的地方出現。

值得香港人注意的,卻是Twitter戰線。

不少Twitter帳戶,開始把佔領國會和香港71佔領立法會相提並論;小粉紅在牆內世界,更四出推波助瀾。這是十分不正當的比較:一個是在休會期間,彰顯政權的程序不公義,現在證明立法會確是形同虛設;另一個是在會議期間,防止已經符合通過民主程序的結果出現。

在國際社會,各國對香港71佔領立法會普遍同情,並沒有任何批評。但各國領袖對美國佔領國會,已經立刻割蓆。

但好些美國Twitter帳戶,卻簡單說兩者都是「特朗普支持者」,而香港人支持特朗普,似乎也是深入民心的事。中國的官媒,自然也不會錯過機會。

支持特朗普是一回事,但假如香港人的形象和佔領國會等同,在策略層面,會非常被動。

這正是我們不斷強調,與國際聯繫需要跨黨派支持的原因。當人家反過來打輿論戰,就要不少後續回應。

Comments

Pal Dou

說穿了,是香港人完全不信任拜登會有所作為,更甚是大家認定拜登要向中國還票債。

Diamond S

Yes these are two completely incidents. The coup this morning is like 香港藍絲搗亂學校feel n they dont really have a ground. Just 輸打贏要. Totally agaisnt the fundamental values of democracy.

Wis

Prof Shen, again, full props to you for your prescience. It's just dismaying to still see some of these other columnists not understanding the root issues and still fanning these provocative, clickbaity pieces, further pushing HK's truly bi-partisan causes down a drain.

AN05

Thanks for pointing out the difference and let’s not get caught in a trap.

Jon T

What happened in The Capitol Hill can never compare with the situation in HK. There was a democratic process that had been duly followed. The results were checked and rechecked, verified and tabulated. Legal challenges were raised and lost. Trump lost the presidency. Accept it and move on. What happened today has been a gross violation of democratic values. A lot of KOLs must stop fanning baseless accusations and conspiracy theories. There are consequences and this is what we have witnessed today.

alfred lau

部分香港人的口吻同美國啲另類右派越來越一致,我好奇佢地到底係支持民主制度定只係支持侵

Jon T

Well said. This is the consequence of disinformation.

ET Jasper

cannot agree more.. .but many simply just associate w/ the TV scene w/o understanding the reason behind :( sigh

Anonymous

好似教授咁講,美國人有的是制度自信,對制度而非某個領導人有信心。即使輸了選舉也非世界末日。撐trump無問題,但係咪trump輸選舉唔認數,破壞民主制度都要支持?究竟係咪真係有大規模選舉舞弊?所有的覆核機制和官司都已經證明無大規模舞弊(美國就是有我們要守護的司法獨立)。問題係有本地KOL不停渲染有deep state,選舉人員甚至法官都被操縱,但這些指控是否合理?假如連法官(基本上所有法官都不支持特朗普的指控)都可以被操縱,代表全世界都是被操縱只有特朗普不是,已經很不合理。再者,有證據指有一個或少數票站舞弊,是否可jump to conclusion 有大規模舞弊?如果選舉完後頭幾日,憑少數舞弊證據懷疑整個大選的合法性是可以的。但過左咁耐,經過咁多覆核司法程序調查,都找不到大規模舞弊的證據,係咪真係有舞弊,大規模到可以扭轉成個選舉結果? 最後想講下特朗普“民粹”。如果指佢反精英無咩問題,但如果佢係要利用反精英情緒顛覆民主制度就非常有問題。

salt water

尾二那一段同意“會策略上被動”。但那一批人的初心是“深信大選不公而制度不公社會亦不公”,美國的制度及社會無法回應他們,而非純輸打贏要所以衝擊。

Zero

完全同意,佔領國會後已經見到各西方國家領袖即時譴責,作為香港人係呢件事上面要區隔開上年佔領立法會,否則就會lost左過去一年辛苦建立的credit,我認為即使唔同佔領的Trump supporter 割蓆都應該避免comment呢件事,減少同香港人的聯想

Wis

Your last 2 sentences hits the jackpot. That's why the so-called "leftards" have been saying Trump is dangerous. (this is not a universal statement to validate all of the left side's points and conduct). The problem comes from Trump's "owning his opponents,/own the libs" strategy that even Prof Shen has held in high regard because of how uniquely disruptive it is. It's the exact thing the many oppressed HKers are looking for. As we can all observe, Prof Shen sagely stayed above this for the last 2 months after the election as he is someone who can discern these nuances. But we can see even from our fellow readers, a lot of the times these nuances are lost and they just go down the rabbit hole of cheering on their champions.

華恩 張

我冇時間睇直播。現在美國國會討論到邊個項目。

saeko

比起討論件事嘅對錯,「如何討論件事」可能更值得討論。(爭相意淫落香港局勢就算吧) 比如話,美國主流視角,身為香港人有幾難代入? 先擱下拜登事實上係咪舞弊,嘗試去了解認為拜登係合法當選嘅美國人嘅觀點,大抵美國班trump粉喺佢地眼中係台灣韓粉嘅水平;同時美國警察嘅水平大概亦都係被受懷疑,但畢竟美國人有制度自信,美警係legitimate嘅民主體制下嘅警察。所以,如果要類比,我估,喺美國主流嘅視角中,呢件事有點兒近於,蔡英文擊敗韓國瑜,你係投俾蔡英文,韓國瑜日日散佈fake news,有一班韓粉衝入國會想用拳頭宣佈韓國瑜當選,然後俾一班水平同樣低落嘅警察射死左。——好難類比,好難代入,黑警鎮壓大媽捍衛制度公義,呢種事係唔可能喺香港context下發生。 但正正係一個好機會去反思:我地香港人而家睇到「制度」虛妄嘅一面,對制度普遍懷疑;人家有相對完善嘅制度,亦都有制度自信,但而家個制度run到overheated。我見TIME有d網民回應係:Firing is not enough. Justice must be served. Without real justice this will only continue to happen again and again. 雖然不免帶有網絡民粹色彩,但正好可以用香港同美國人嘅視角互相參照,然後回答:「制度」係乜?一個國家應否/在哪個程度/如何落實制度?應該可以見到彼此不少盲點。

ET Jasper

actually i know quite some HKers (yellow base) do not support Trump.... very difficult to follow his logic and "sense"

Diamond S

Not quite some but many. Just stay silent je. Difficult to reason with trump supporters.

James Green

其實我覺得唔使咁多美國仲有冇制度自信,邊個啱云云。大家有想侵贏的,都係因為佢幫到香港。衣家佢賴死唔走,令到美國社會分裂,成個國家問題叢生,之後抗中的力量就大打折扣。佢用到咁的手法,即使退百步俾佢搶返個位返黎,情況都會係咁上下。純粹從香港人的角度應該希望佢快快過主。無錯,過橋抽板,但政治就應該現實。換轉角色,我肯定侵都會咁做,唔會有second thought

Chocobean

佢哋係only支持trump。 之前所有嘅右派偶像人物,當佢哋幫唔到trump去繼續維持做票嘅大話,就會被香港侵粉馬上180度轉話係背叛與奶共。支持嘅唔係民主,唔係美國200年選舉制度,唔係真相,只相信trump口裡面嘅說話。係一個Cult嚟。 教授可唔可以講下Jonestown? 香港人有冇迷信救世主嘅可能?

Chocobean

cannot agree more! 仲係盲撐侵嘅香港人幾時變得咁唔opportunistic?

Anonymous

我不能同意這一句 :「防止已經通過民主程序的結果」

Villanelle Polastri

侵侵及侵粉之於美國就如中共及小粉紅之於香港,如今侵大勢已去班港台侵粉仲未醒。當是非黑白黃藍左右都用相同手段,客觀真相已經消失,制度失效,世界大亂,侵衛兵同小粉紅聲音就更加舖天蓋地,有理講不清。今日睇新聞感覺比尋日更恐怖。

K小白

香港人撐侵,係因為佢嘅“對華政策” 係策略上支持 美國大選有無疑點,我是旁觀者,無票可投 所以無咩好講,只係想問點解死咗嘅人,可以即場登記做選民投票 如果一個可持續嘅“民主投票制度”唔係應該確保唔會有“舞弊”咩? 不過呢個係美國嘅事,只有美國選民有say 美國分裂已是“事實”,Sleeping Joe可以力挽狂瀾? 就算侵侵再上,都只會更分化。 侵侵係個因,定係個果,大家幫手諗吓~ 就如香港如今景況,是因是果?

Theresa Tang

咁要好多死咗嘅人登記投票至可以改變選舉結果,而且點知呢D人一定投俾拜登。

Theresa Tang

忽發奇想,會唔會特朗普大量做票以為贏硬,點知輸咗,所以攪大佢。

Green Tea

It is possible because Trump always accuses other people of what he is doing.