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I'm going to ask a question about Kitty's artwork after a little preamble.

So Daredevil s2 is out, fantastic show. I finished binging it this afternoon, and luckily, time spent watching things is also time spent drawing, so I was doing a lot of artwork stuff, a little of which will make the next build, most of which will be added later. One of those things was doing a pass on Kitty's sprite, adding a second arm position, and planning out future items. So I wanted to ask you guys for some feedback on where I should go with Kitty's visuals. For one thing, what do you think of the sprite itself so far? Solid base pose? Should I do something entirely different? It'd be a bit of work, but better to do it now than when I already have a ton of clothing fitted to it.

More importantly, what should I use as her default sexual pose? With Rogue it's the doggy-style pose, but I could do something completely different with Kitty. I know it'd be nice to have "all the poses," but given how each needs its own clothing to fit all the customization possibilities, that becomes a bigger and bigger lift, so the priority is to get one good one in.

Now option A would be to have a pose very similar to Rogue's. It might be a slightly different posture, but basically the same general doggy pose. The advantages to this would be that you get a backside view that the default sprite doesn't have, and a clear view of all "the business." Also, since it is at the same angle as Rogue's, it would be easier to coordinate three-way scenes, in which both could be on screen at the same time, and you could switch between them or satisfy both at once. If her angle is completely different, this would not work as well.

Option B would be similar to Option A, a back angle shot, but more of a reverse cowgirl, more vertical, which would offer less of a view of her stuff, and not be from the same angle as Rogue's, so 3-ways would be more complicated, but it would still show her butt and be visually interesting.


Option C would be a forward cowgirl,  with the disadvantages of B but also doesn't show much that isn't in the default sprite, and Option D, missionary, which would show the same front side as the default, but more of a low angle shot, and a compatible angle with Rogue's doggy-style shot.

So strengths and weaknesses to all of them, and maybe I can get around to adding additional poses as we go in this, but I'd like to get the first version nailed down soon so I can start working on it.

I'm going to give some time to ponder and discuss on this, and then throw out a poll.

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Anonymous

well i have to say that the pose for kity pride is spot on for her i believe and i also think option a sounds good for the rest of your plan but whatever happens u still got my full support!! <3

Anonymous

I for one since the doggy pose already exists with rogue i would go for something missionary style which is compatible with rogue. I mean as you said eventually characters may have more than one pose but for now each character should have one good set pose. why not mock up a few of the ideas and get feedback on which people think best so they can visualize each position and offer feedback as such?? just an idea

Anonymous

I think a good pose for kitty would definitely be forward cowgirl, but leaning back to show "the business" at a better angle.

Thursday

I think flat on her back missionary spread eagle might be the way to go. You could easily coordinate the pose with Rogue's current pose and adding something different to the current doggy pose would be a nice addition. Also as to Kitty's current pose...I like it, it looks cute and vulnerable something that fits Kitty's character well.

Anonymous

i agree with Beishiznit. Option D, as it add's some verity to the sex scenes if the characters each havetheir own specific posses

OniArtist

Yeah, good point, I might at least do some crappy sketches before running the poll. ;)

Anonymous

we want the D

Arcturus

Missionary cuz it's ironic given Kitty is Jewish.

Anonymous

For the sex stuff: C or D. I think she's more romantically inclined than rogue, so doggy wouldn't fit as much. As for the default pose: I think the way her back arches is a bit extreme for it to be the default. I know part of it is just how thin she was drawn on the show, but it still looks like something you wouldn't do all the time.

OniArtist

So move her hips forward a bit? Yeah, I've been considering it. We'll see. I wouldn't have to redo a ton yet. . .

Arcash

I would go with C or D so to have more variation, also C (or B) could be used for a "wake up ride" to add more spice in the mornings :P. At some point I'm sure people would like to have from A to D disponible for both but thats something to wish for the future. Since you're talking about the threesome, how are you gonna convince the girls for doing it. It would be a "It could be fun", a "we love you so we can share" or a "it's your order so we must obey". Kind of i imagine you will require high stats with both to be able to convince them without reciving slap to the face.

Ai Muhao

First, I want to say Kitty looks absolutely adorable. For the sex stuff, I'm pretty okay with anything you come up with (though I agree with the ones who say that Kitty's more romantically inclined than Rogue and ideally her pose should reflect that somehow).

OniArtist

Well yeah, I haven't gotten into the details yet, so a lot of it I'll work out as I go through writing Kitty and the systems in a way that seems natural, but basically there will be many ways into the process. I mean, if Rogue is 100% locked down, then it's easy enough to get her on board with the idea, and maybe even convince or trick Kitty into it, whereas if you're still partway through her options then she'll push back on it more. There will be some ways that are coercive, there will be others that are more seductive, and of course if you push too hard, too soon it could really set you back a bit. It should be fun though. ;)

Anonymous

I'd say D would suit her personality best.

Glenn Lewis

I have one question. I don't know if you posted about it before but what's going to happen to rogue's status bars? Since you adding kitty in, how can we see her stats?

squarenuts

So I thought that Professor X was going to be the next character? There are so many audio bites that could be pulled from American Dad. Looks like the farther down the list options, the longer it will take to get the content added to the game. I don’t remember if the survey asked how long the supporters are willing to wait for more content. It might be best to look at all four options and list it out from shortest to longest the time required to complete each task. Or to make everyone happen take a part from each option and go from there.

Anonymous

The two criticisms I have with the art is that her hair should be slightly darker for the sake of accuracy, and her facial expression should be changed because her eyes look sort of dead to me. Also, the doggystyle pose made sense because you could do things in public..where there is no place to lie down..so the missionary thing seems kind of weird imo.

Glenn Lewis

Not necessarily. Depending on how she looks like laying down, you could say he's fucking her on a desk or on bench in the park. It just depends on artwork.

Zera

I like her sprite in general and the pose is just fine as it is, but as Gabriel pointed out, her eyes could use a little more of a glow to them. I haven't watched the show in a very long time, but from what I remember of Kitty Pride from the X-Men Evolution serious (which is clearly where the style comes from), Kitty was way more spunky and out-going than Rogue. I haven't been a patron for a little while and have not played your game in a while, but from what I have played Rogue has livelier eyes. I am an amateur artist/colorist at best, so I cannot provide reliable feedback on how her eyes should look. When I try to draw a face, the eyes look completely different from each other that it looks terrible. The only way I can do eyes is by drawing a face looking straight at the viewer, draw one eye, copy it, and flip it horizontally and distort it a little to make it look not exactly the same. I'm just giving criticism based on some of your other great work I've seen. As far as sex positions go, I would say option A since it seems like the most intuitive for the three-way scenes. The other options would be nice, but then for consistency's sake you'd have to give Rogue another pose as well since it seems like option A would be the default for the three-way scenes regardless of what pose Kitty has during the scenes where it's just her and the player.

Anonymous

Sprite looks fine. I'd always pictured Kitty as a Missionary kind of girl. I understand the desire to keep things simple, so I won't be upset by another rear view (I'm a butt man, personally).

Staris

I love the base pose, I will add that with Kitty's starting stats having lowered love does seem the pose wouldn't quite fit the early game but would rather have this pose then a tamer version. With the potential to have a different default pose much further down the road .I love the base pose, I will add that with Kitty's starting stats having lowered love does seem the pose wouldn't quite fit the early game but would rather have this pose then a tamer version. With the potential to have a different default pose much further down the road . For the poses D and then C would be my vote so far, one idea when add the the threesome could be have the pretence in the game that they completely strip before getting into that pose. That could mean that the threesome pose and each girl's pose could be different and not add a lot of work since the threesome isn't having to account for all of the clothing options.

Neraced

The sprite is very nice. Captures her personality from the show :-)As for a position, I'd say C would look good... or possibly D.

Anonymous

First time i post a comment, sorry for my english, not my native language. I first want to say i love your work, and will wait for years if needed, to see where you will go with it. For the pose, i would say D, it fit her personality best. I love the sprite so far, just maybe like other says, more ... "impish" eyes, not sure of the word, thx google trad. ^^' For the gameplay, i was wondering if she will be "addict" to our power too, it seem less appropriete for her than rogue, maybe just using only love & obediance would fit her more... i don't know, i'm sure you'll do good job anyway. So keep going, i love your job again, take your time, you're awesome. :D

Haseo

Dude AMAZING work on the sprite. She looks beautiful but also mysterious, perky, and overall very content with her well being. Looking at her sprite I see you put a lot of work into her face so why hide it? I think Option D is the best because you can look at her face, breasts, and her slender waist. With Rogue you always got the idea that she was rather submissive but with Kitty I think she has the characteristics to be fucked where you can reach deep inside of her. With Option D being Missionary I think it will suit her a lot better than another Doggy and like you said you can have the option for Threesomes without the sprites getting in the way.

OniArtist

Fair point, and I haven't messed with it a lot yet, but the current plan is to have a "focus" character that you can toggle at will, and that character's stats will display across the top. That was the intended use of that "Rogue button" that you can see in development shots. It also indicates which character will appear in front and more to the center. You can still interact with and level up non-focus characters normally, it just impacts the UI.

OniArtist

Heh, Xavier is in there, but he's not going to become a full-on love interest option. Really all four of these options would take about the same amount of time. C could be a bit faster, since I could recycle portions of the character sprite, but that would be lazy.

iamnuff

I'd like option C. Forward cowgirl. Assuming I'm reading the options right.

OniArtist

Yeah, I agree with you, the default face I put in was too "mellow."

OniArtist

Yeah, that's a fair point, but it does limit the customizability. I'd still have to do new facial features for the new model, but it would be less work overall, and worth considering.

OniArtist

Yeah, I'm still on the fence about the "addiction" angle with her, I was thinking of going a different route with her "renegade" route.

Dinker

I would go with pose A, just because it would save a lot of work in the long run and case well... I like the pose. :3 So, other than that, the model looks good, I'll go in with people on the face needing another pass but otherwise good stuff. A nice B position for her right hand would be on her hip and sassy cause why not? Also are you feeling less pressure for the next release now that Princess Trainer 2.0 is out? :P

Anonymous

She definitely looks like a missionary type of girl!

OniArtist

Yeah, I already have a second hand pose done, just not for the outfit yet. It's her left hand on hip, right hand kind of loose at ribcage level. Heh, and I've got more pressure now, I've got to keep up!

Anonymous

Short answer: I think C or D for variety makes things more interesting. Like you said it would definitely be more work, so obviously it's gotta be worthwhile to you, but I think in the long term it makes the game a little better. One place where it might actually save work would be that it would probably make for an easier masturbation pose if you decide to illustrate that option at some point.

Anonymous

Option C is good. Forward cowgirl would offer a full of view her with the right pose.

Anonymous

Quick question. I noticed in one of your previous posts that the next update would (hopefully) be out sometime early next month. Can you tell what exactly will be in that update? Is it big or small?

OniArtist

Well, it will definitely contain panty hose, black tights, and a hoodie, as well as a few new facial features (which don't appear often yet). It will also include a lot (but not necessarily all) of the "memory" upgrades, allowing Rogue to react more naturally to things that have happened earlier in the day. This is the big gameplay change to test in the latest version. It should be roughly the same size as previous updates.

Anonymous

oni just wanted to say hell been wanting to say thank you keep doing what your doing rouge-like is the best slg i played in a long time considering i've played quite a few and definitely a breath of fresh air.,and of course looking forward to waht i assume is 9.6 or 9.667 :D

Anonymous

C would be good, transitions into missionary easily.

Badari Zsolt

I vote D . It's new and i think it fit her the best.