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Ok, so version e was slightly stable, I will put out a hopefully even more stable version f soon, but also plan to add some new features (including a more stable way to load previous saves) before I wrap 0.991 and move full into 0.992 development.

That out of the way, I wanted to have a discussion about Jean in the game. What do you guys think? Do you like how she behaves? Hate it? Want some changes here or there? Does the art work? Are there simple options that you think would improve her significantly?

Her stats definitely work differently than the other girls, there's a lot of tweaking numbers behind the scenes with her. I intend for you to be able to advance her through a positive, romantic angle, or through a more obedience-based angle. Have you guys been having luck with those? Have you been hitting any unexpected walls and not known how to progress past them? I'm not saying I got all this right out of the gate, so I'd like to know if there are any particular areas that could use a boost. I do expect her early and middle-game to be harder than her endgame.

Try to keep responses to be about gameplay and design stuff here, not so much bug reports. Keep those to the 0.991e/f threads please, just to keep things organized.

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Anonymous

I was thinking about trying to make her more obedient by just treating her like shit and ignoring her. Her personality sees her as the best there is so treat her the opposite and make her try to impress you or at least get a response from you.

Anonymous

For some like Emma and Laura I kinda expected then to have a femdom path as well due to how they behave as well. Like a negative obedience path. Regarding Jean her art is well done and the slight challenge of learning how to pull of both paths is a fun change. Overall a good addition

Anonymous

I like her personality and her responses and I like how everyone else hates her. It would be nice if they would get used to her( if it is possible then sorry, maybe consider making it easier?). Personally I'm not a huge fan of the artwork of her face. I can't exactly place what is bothering me, I think it might be because it's too round. Thank you for your hard work

OniArtist

I could perhaps do more of that. For the most part though, I don't think she could *conceive* of you not being obsessed with her, so instead of trying to impress you she would just ignore that you weren't impressed. :D

OniArtist

I've considered how best to do this. I don't think it would be *negative* obedience so much as perhaps a parallel stat. It's a tricky balance.

Oni's Fan

Obed = Dark Phoenix route, taking her mind but still Obed and loving you. Romantic = Normal Jean

Anonymous

I probably will be minority here, but so far my only wish is too punch her. I would be fine with this kind of attitude from Emma, but even she softens up quiet alot. Jean... May be i got used to her from old X-men show and expect kinder person, but so far (no offence to anyone) i want either to break her spirit or break her jaw.

Anonymous

Honestly i like the challenge, I've been more obedience based though i want to try a love route with her as it seems very interesting. The art is fine far as I can tell and her behaviour is similar to those who have power thats nearly unlimited like an omega level psychic would have. No real complaints from me, keep doin what you're doin.

Anonymous

Hey Oni First of all, I really liked the direction you went with her stats. Coming out with full inhibition bar is a great idea, does what she wants etc. It might have been me not seeing those moments, but you'd kind of expect then her to take the lead. Because she's difficult to get on your side, you'd almost expect the roles to be reversed (like early on, shes the one asking you to dates, telling you to do stuff etc.) not unlike the "getting jumped" mechanic. Otherwise I think the way you wrote her dialogue was great, really fitting. In terms of art, still not the biggest fan of the primary hairstyle, but the wet one is super nice. Love the outfits (although the stockings and garterbelt is black yet her lingerie is green so it clashes when she wears them together?) And again might just be me, but in terms of colouring she seems so much "brighter" in contrast to the other girls. Like looking at rogue and kitty, compared to Jean, their colouring is more dulled, more "realistic" for lack of a better word, whereas Jean looks almost saturated, especially with the bright green skirt outfit. Not neccasarily a gripe, more of an observation when multiple girls are in the room together. Honestly other than that, cracking work, really like what you've done with the character, looking forward to what comes next. Side question, any thoughts on giving other girls, the other girls sex positions? Like Rogue having Emmas positions, Laura having Kitty's etc?

OniArtist

Fair. You can get other girls to like her more by having them hang out, but it can be a bit of a long process. I would like to add some more ways to build like between the girls without having to get them entirely into the sexual stuff first though.

OniArtist

Fair. I found the cartoon Jean a bit boring, so I decided that if I was going to include her in the game at all, I wanted to use a spicier version of the character.

OniArtist

Well, *mostly* she does not care about you, at least at first. She does not want or need you for anything. Now if she gets addicted, she will come to you about that, and if you get her horny, she might come to you to take care of that too, but otherwise she's fine looking elsewhere. If you want her to want you, that takes some work. One thing I tried to imply with the dates is that she's just there for the free food. :D I do notice the distinction in shading, I think all the newer girls are a bit brighter in pallet to the originals. I'm not sure the easiest way to address that. And yes, I am working on alternate positions. I have some art for those already. I don't want to just entirely copy-paste them though, and want all the clothing to work.

Anonymous

I read the comments and I completely agree with possible alternate (femdom, maybe corruption?) routes, I also like the possibility of making Jean fall for you by being a cold, ignoring dick. Maybe it's a bit far fetched, but after finishing Jean, could you focus on some changes that make the game more immersive. That's the biggest weakness of sandbox games in my opinion. It's missing events. The present for Laura is a good example of how to make the game more lively. (events like exams or parties etc.) Also addiction, I don't really like how the girls can just grab you and lower their addiction to the minimum when you deny them for too long. It should escalate more, for example the second time they grab you, it won't work that well, and they have to do something more daring. I hope It's understandable. I didn't mean to criticize, the game is great. Great work so far!!

Simon

i never realized i could play jean with pure obedience will have to try that route once her sex options are added in. i had no trouble playing through raising her through her love route, early game took a bit to figure out. but fun and engaging all the same. I enjoyed jeans character she's assertive, i'd like to see her dominate the other girls while being dominated by MC (a sort of hierarchy in the harem though kitty is still my favorite.) but then again i'd like to see kitty as the harem queen too.. perhaps giving the MC the choice to decide who the harem queen would be? that'd probably require alot more scripting and alot of other work and possibly not in line with your vision for the game, aaaaand i've gone completley off topic.

Anonymous

Hey Oni, love how Jean is going so far, As to how she has been, Jean has def been a challenge compared to the other X-gals. Also, playing the game as someone who has never watched the series at all, my experience is prob different than other people, as I am enjoying this version of Jean, tho maybe people would have preferred the actual Jean from the show. I can see why, besides those who just dont like jean in general, why people dont really like this jean. How I see it is, shes this bratty teenager messing with all kinds of people and she can do basically whatever she wants, til the player comes into her life. I might be in the minority here but I do enjoy a romantic path more with her. Making her go from a bratty girl that everyone in the Institute dislikes, to someone who falls for the player. In terms of story, I personally think that works for how her current personality is. On the flip side, I play the game as mostly someone who would prefer to go for more "romantic" approach with these gals, so when trying to raise Jean "love" stat, i was wondering if you can adjust her level progression of those stats a lil bit, as I had to grind way too much to get her to start liking me. Besides that, overall, I like what Im seeing and playing so far and hope to see the rest of her content, story and actions in the next few months, Cheers!

OniArtist

Well, the grab mechanic is basically a balancing mechanism, you can bend them so far, but not beyond a certain point, it prevents you pushing things *too* far too easily. Mechanically, they just grab on and don't let go until they're satisfied, whereas all other mechanics will only drain a little addiction per interaction. If *you* initiate it it's a good way to just get them off your back for a while. And please, any criticism is helpful to figuring out what people feel about the systems I've added. Maybe I've done something wrong, maybe I've just not made it clear how I expected it to work in the game, but either way there's a lesson for me to learn. And yeah, I do hope to add some more events over time, they just take more time to develop for less payout than the more universal/repeatable stuff, so I don't get as many of them in.

OniArtist

Lol. Well I think I have some options to determine who is first in line, but I don't think I've implemented the menu options for it, and there isn't any dialog or anything that would reflect that, at the moment it's basically just which character first shows up when another girl comes into the picture, and that sort of thing. I can always continue to expand on it a bit though. There really isn't a lot of "dynamic" to the harem stuff, beyond that the girls don't get in each others' way as much.

OniArtist

Ok, fair. So where do you find you were struggling the most? Like was it "0-100 Love," or "200-300" or what? Which activities do you feel like she should have been more agreeable to early on, or perhaps rewarded more progression? I have bumped up a few things with her relative to other girls.

Booty4Bass

She's a total asshole. Nowhere near evolution Jean at all. I like it though. A little I wanna break through her I only care about me vibes to make them I care about you too but tsundere. Getting her to actually like you feels impossible though. But you can make her obedient as fuck. Over all not bad careful with her animations you don't want another Laura situation where she's all discombobulated on the screen before loading right. Other than that I'm comfortable in the passenger seat. Here's hoping for an interesting sex position

A

Well, She is a bit "bitchy", rather egocentric and arrogant, but the level of difficulty so far is more or less OK, and the inhibition bar almost full is a nice touch, and goes well with the rest - she is so full of herself, that she considers everybody else inferior and more or less worthless, so why would she care about whatever they may think or see ? It seems even if the obedience and the inhibition go up (with love OK and lust quite OK), it is still a more difficult to do "stuff" with her and get a certain type of reaction from her. But that may be by design, I would have to get her to full bars on all to see if that changes. I have not focused only on her, but for now I would say it seems the balance between romantic route and dominance route seems OK. Though honestly, given the personality of the character, I don't find a full romantic path especially interesting. With her personality, the only way in which she can get with someone for real, is if she stop seeing them inferior, but given her approach, that can happen only if she somehow has to concede some form of defeat. Otherwise, she will always see the other has inferior. Yes, I know I am talking about a "sprite" in a game, but one aspect nice of the game, is that in some way the characters have personality traits that go well with their behaviour and background story. I think you nailed well down that thing about "date for food", I had only one, but it definitively did that impression :-) Art work for Jean fine, but I admit I would like if it was a bit more visible when she is "cleaning" you or when the coming in the mouth, like for the others. Also, if you are touching her, then at the end you still have the cut picture, would be nice to see her fully, again a bit like for the others. Though to give the full feedback, would have to be seen when some of the functionalities that are not active yet become active. OK, let me be more naughtily brutal :-), with "functionalities" I means sex possibilities ;-). We are supposed to stick to Jean, but I second the comment from Damien about the positions - thank your for the work you are doing on those !

Jelly

Well not necessarily Jean but I had ideas for new date ideas & I already offered my ideas on how to generate some extra cash; The new dates could be picnics, late night studying which lets to zonk out at the girls room by accident thus having you spend the night, the nightclub to dance, go for walks holding hands in a park stuff like that. It'd be nice to do stuff with the girls besides go to restaraunts & see the same three movies over and over.

C

I think it'd be fun to have a way to reduce their meters, just for fun. I'd love to try for a loving but inhibited Jean.

ThL

The character is OK. Her being different is a very nice addition. The idea of having her asking MC for a date is a great one. Then she would expect MC to pay (forgetting his power) and you could get interesting developments (she doesn't have any money, can't 'convince' you or the waitress as long as you are here), so maybe it opens the possibility for a lewd blackmail .... And I can't wait to see the sex positions too. But maybe you can add them one at a time ? BJ, then TJ, then sex ? To get something new a bit sooner ?

gordymelendez18

I like it, Keep up the amazing work

Gerald L

Personally I didn't like what you did with Jean. The game started out with you using the Evolution styles but when Emma and X23 showed up you threw that out of the window. Now as for her looks I do wish she did look like she did in the show if only to make it match better. This style makes her look a bit too much like her daughter Rachel I feel. Another thing is her personality is all wrong. I don't know if you hate the character and are just character bashing her in this but this kind of personality fits more with Emma Frost. In fact it's like you switched the personalities of Emma and Jean in your game for some reason. Jean would be more like the head cheerleader of the school type and not the queen bee bitch type. Her personality is just all wrong for the character. I personally think it would be more fun to make a prime and proper Jean and turn her into a more perverted character like how she becomes Black Queen in the comics. This personality, if you want a character this fits more then I would suggest you make a Psylocke character and give this personality to her as it fits more with that character in the 90s when she was all stuck up, bitchy from her rich background. Also trying to get 'Jean' to like it is pretty tiring at times. A challenge is one thing but no one likes an uphill battle.

Anonymous

I like the bitchy, mildly sociopathic version of Jean. It’s a nice contrast to the other girls and she’s just so cheerfully amoral and self-centered that it’s hard to hold it against her.

Anonymous

Kinda off topic, but would you please consider adding an albino skin color to the game?

Jackaljax

I'll say it was a lot easier for me to force her to do things than to try and romance her. Getting her love up initially seems difficult with just flirting and gifts, or maybe I'm missing a scene somewhere?

KYHAHN

I've been going through the old X-Men comics and I like this more exaggerated version of Jean. a nice mix of the sort of queen bee she is in Evolution with the good-girl image she has in the old-school comics

A

A small addition to my previous comment. It would be really nice if Jean did not show only the lower part of her body in some scenes/situations, but one could also see her face - though I guess that is because you do not have yet all the graphics for her.

Jon B.

I've never been a Jean fan, so I don't know if I'm the feedback you want. She's ok? I like the size of her nipples in the art, but otherwise she's very meh for me. I feel like she really needs some hook past being "the bitch". Not sure what though.just not the personality like I do with the other girls.

Anonymous

I really like the challenge Jean poses to the player. She was tough to crack, which was a great contrast to Rogue's progression. As another person said, I agree that there needs to be more events to lower the 'grind' factor, which is the biggest weakness to an otherwise great game. More clothing options for all would be nice, which was likely addressed in another post, but I understand how much effort that might require. I liked Jean's intro. Could you do something like that for the others, too?

Jacob Kain

She kind of feels like a lady version of Purple Man from Jessica Jones, and I'm not really sure I enjoy that. But, not everything has to be for me, I suppose.

Anonamata

I like what you did with Jean, it's a bit different. I like what you've done with all the characters. Jean stands out by being a different take on the character I'm used to. I think she's a LITTLE too bitchy, but it's not a big deal and her intro portrayed her as someone who is more confused and put off by the protag's presence than outright hateful. Either pushing for the obediant route or getting her to like you is fun. I liked her intro event in the shower, it was funny. I also liked that Emma was the one to fill you in on her "drama" and to avoid it. Other girls are not a fan, especially Emma, which is a good reflection of their dynamic in the comics. I think Emma, and Storm if/when she's added, should be the two characters Jean has trouble dealing with. Like Jean is arrogant around those her age and other students, but can't really act out in front of teachers who would punish her. Emma is immune to her powers, so that would contribute to their mutual dislike... but would make them getting along for threesomes more rewarding if you could get them to kiss and make up so to speak. I do think there should be an extra event of some sort to help give Jean's love meter a small boost to help get the player started so they don't spend a lot of time grinding. And maybe make Jean's inhibition bar only halfway to start instead of 3/4's of the way done? Even with Jean's powers I don't think you should have her nearly completely inhibited. That's all I can think of. I love all the designs of the characters (I think Emma and X-23/Laura have the best designs personally) but I'll admit, Jean's face looks a bit odd sometimes. For her normal expression, maybe her eyes are too small? Or maybe they're a little too high up, like the distance from her nose to her eyes it what looks off? I mean, she looks good, it's just something seems... out of place. I don't know how else to explain it. Anyway, looking forward to Jean's sex positions getting added in a few months. I'm curious what her poses will look like. Keep up the good work!

Anonymous

I enjoyed getting Jean to open up. It was fun that she played differently. Love the art on her.

Anonymous

is there an ETA on when actual sex scenes for her will be implemented? asking for a friend...

hornguy6

Not much to say but I do like Jean. I like that she tries to fuck with you but can't. And I like being able to turn the tables on her and fuck with her instead >:D

Stavin

I've liked Jean at lot. The one thing I did consider a bit odd is her initial unwillingness to making out in public, as her abilities to have people forget would seem like she had been doing things like the shower scene every now and than long before the MC showed up. Granted I would accept that there could be a minimum level the MC has to have, or a level up perk that could allow Jean to use her abilities while still in contact with the MC, as it suggested in the shower event that the MC could level up his ability to allow her to wipe his memory. Though I didn't have the issue myself, might add a precursor to Jean's shower event that directs the player to go to the shower. Could be text that shows up when the MC goes to University Square or to class a couple days to up to a week after the event is active. Which could mention a couple guys leaving the shower a bit dazed or to throw Cyclops under the bus a bit by suggesting he is being cucked of him directing guys to the shower.

Shremedy

A couple of logic glitches from 991C. (1) Kitty & Jean in the Quad. Flirt with Kitty > Yoink Clothes. "Don't know who you could possibly yoink from". Um, Jean, maybe? (2) Laura approaches Zero out of the blue, says "I want to have sex. Lots of sex. Now." then when Zero takes her up on that, she's like "This is too weird" and bolts. Or is that actually >supposed< to happen? All of my knowledge of X23 is secondhand, so I don't know if that was actually in character for her.

Shremedy

Jean is definitely different. As you might guess, I'd be more inclined towards the obedience route, but I haven't found what that actually is yet. Not frustrated yet, because I can still work on Laura productively, who responds well to my conventional tactics. I just don't want to have to switch mindsets back and forth between Jean an everyone else, so when I get to her, I'll be concentrating on her exclusively.

Shremedy

I like Jean's outfits...I just haven't been able to get anything beyond a quick flash from her.

Shremedy

Looking at your phrasing re Jean's routes, I just caught an implication...if romance is the "positive", is obedience, by contrast, considered a "negative" route?

Stavin

It would be kind of nice to change the MC's action based on receiving an addiction message, if while going from the Classroom to the Danger Room you receive a message, it would be nice to be able to choice to take care of that right then and there instead of getting to the Danger Room to than turn around and head to the MC's bedroom. I do also realize that could be something I'm in a minority of wanting that so if it gets implemented it could be a setting that is turned off by default. Another thing I've noticed with addiction is if two girls both have addiction that needs addressing during the same time frame, they seem to know to form in line and to ask in turn. If things are taken slowly on how that gets handled for the first girl a decent chunk of time gets taken up, which seems a bit unrealistic for the second girl to patiently wait however long it took before sending the messaging. The potential easiest way this could be resolved is receiving both messages at the same time and given the option on how to indicate who gets priority. If its the morning and the MC slept in his room both girls could also show up at the same time. Allowing for multiple ways that gets dealt with, take care of them in turn with the potential option of the second waiting outside the room, both girls touch the MC's face at the same time, to even the possibility of having a kind of bidding war to see which girl is taken care during that time slot. One final thing on the addiction, when selecting "Nothing, just touch whatever you like." and it starts a make out session then immediately End Scene the addiction count drops below what the female wants, it used to include text to suggest the female didn't pull away until satisfied or something, and no time took place which feels out of place when considering if instead you continue the make out session until she is going to be satisfied the time needed for that is accounted for. It would also be a bit nice if the secondary actions could be allowed, with a possible increased stat restriction because its an addiction event, with the more secondary actions also helping to reduce the addiction amount.

Anonymous

I like Jean a lot she's my 2nd fav after Laura, but I really don't like her hair. Jean Grey's hair in my mind is darker and longer.

Shremedy

Saw a comment regarding potentially renaming Inhbition more in line with how it is actually used (and increases)...I just hit on a possible: AUDACITY. As AUDACITY increases, the girl will perform more public and outrageous acts. Unless tempered by Obedience, she might do these things when you're not with her to see it ;)

Shremedy

I also have a few diagnostic 991C saves squirreled away that I'll get around to mentioning later, after I review them.

Shremedy

Well none of the characters here are purely the evolution versions...

Shremedy

Haven't found romance method either; might do it if I find it before obedience, IDK

Nit Rogen

you can definitely feel she is different and i think a more unik approach to each girl is great. tho i haven't really been able to push her stats to much yet. so my final thoughts aren't clear ye.t but so far all good on the surface i guess.

rpglaster

I have a few things that id like to say about jean. 1. I love the art direction that you went with her, i enjoy the pube art, and the varius clothing choices. On that note though, it would be great to have maybe one more hair cut maybe like Her clone as the black queen since you added all the black corset and clothes. 2. I enjoy the direction you went with her personality, having her be a bitch is good, but with that i would love to see some growth or change once you have either broken her or gotten her to start to love you, in terms of talking and dialogue rather then just saying “do you have anything interesting to say?” 3. Im not sure if its just the way I have played, but i would also like to have an option to have romantic / sexual activities with out it bring driven so much by the dominance or blue bar. Again, what i mean by this is that for the sake of diverstiy i would prefer if there was an option to romance her nit driven by control. 4. Id love to have future scenes or even just descriptions like the one of her intro with emma, such as hearing from kitty or rogue about her. 5. Psychic blowjobs would be cool. 6. This is a suggestion that may be disagreed with by others, but I think it may be better if either the MC started with a bit of cash, or get soighlty more money a day, then what it is currently as unlesss your just spamming or going real far into the days it is unlikely that you’ll be able to buy the clothes for the girls. Each girl added adds quite abut of time that you need to wait to buy their clothes. I personally like to restart if i go back the game and the wait feels a bit like a chore. The improvements that you’ve made are quite impressive and i cant wait to see more jean.

OniArtist

Yeah, there are a fww tricky mechanics involved that might cause her to react a bit differently than you would expect with a different girl with similar stats. Once she's completely maxed out she should be more similar though. And yeah, this is why it's impossible to progress her love route beyond a certain point without getting at least a little obedience in there, you don't need to be an asshole, but you do have to give her reasons to respect you as a person that other girls would just assume going in. The distinction between the routes is more about which plateaus you hit first, and how you get there.

OniArtist

Yeah, you can reduce meters, typically by relatively small amounts, but it can be difficult to deliberately tank a stat pool. I'm not sure the best way to do that organically.

OniArtist

Those are some interesting options. Might be a little complicated to implement, but I think I could. I'll see what I can do.

OniArtist

I'm sorry you don't enjoy this direction with the character. I was very up front that if I was going to include Jean at all, this is how she would work, so while I may make some minor changes, I don't intend to completely reverse course on her. I just hope that you will enjoy the next character we add to the game more.

OniArtist

For the player character? Hmm, I suppose I could, I didn't want to add too many options because it can over-complicate things, but art-wise it wouldn't be that hard.

OniArtist

There are no bespoke scenes until she gets around 500 Love, so yeah, it's mostly just flirting and endearing yourself to her. The idea is to convince her that you are useful and appropriately devoted. ;)

OniArtist

If you mean when you are fondling lower body parts, I do have all the artwork for that, it's just the way that the camera is framed more on the action. I've been considering making that optional though, or perhaps having a "face window."

OniArtist

Fair enough, with any luck as I develop the character more you might like her better, but if not, there's always more fish in the sea. :D

OniArtist

Well, I mean they all have some variety of intro scene, Laura and Emma actually have a bit more to them than Jean currently does. I will try to continue adding unique character scenes, but they take more time than other content relative to what gameplay they represent.

OniArtist

I could perhaps guide the player to the showers if they don't find it on their own. Jean shouldn't have any particular aversion to making out in public, do you remember which line she said?

OniArtist

1., ok, I'll fix that next build. 2. I think maybe the game thought you were still in public at the time, I've maybe fixed that.

OniArtist

Ok, I'll make some tweaks there. I'm not quite sure how girls are lining up for that activity though, as completing one should kick you out of the activity checks and a new one should not occur until either a wait period has passed or you change rooms.

OniArtist

Yeah, I do still need to add more chitchat dialogs. You *should* be able to romance her through the red bar, it just takes a lot of flirting.

Anonymous

Why I can't load my last save ? It just goes to the title screen too :( What did I wrong ?

zekkendo

Wait, did i miss an update? Not seeing 0.991f anywhere. (nevermind, bad reading skills, coming later) Aside from that, i wonder if there would be any merit in giving the player an obedience stat? Though, that sounds like a looooot of extra work.

Anonymous

I liked what you have so far for Jean, she adds some quirk to the game.

Anonymous

It would be neat if you could convince Jean to control the other girls and make them do things they would not normally be okay with doing.

Anonymous

Jean is good so far I been raising her love stats up and her addiction as well so far it good.

Victor Dusk

if the girls are 100% obediant but have 0% love. Can you still do stuff with them?

Anonymous

Well, nice work as always Oni, but I really want to be able to play with my old save, that game it’s not necessarily grind but, farm again everything without skipping all the past content seems a little boring and unpleasant. But let’s talk about Jean, I really like her, I love the original Jean design but you did a incredible work in that ‘remake’, I just think the games lacks a little more of interaction with the girls, like you did with Laura and Kitty. I think that if you put a little more background on your characters you will make the game more rich in every aspect ;)

Anonymous

So, to be totally honest, I like the ideas in place for Jean. A spoiled brat that finds something actually worth working for is a great story. I really think this idea needs extra space to breath though, some extra scenes thrown in here and there with her kind of gradually changing could make for a really satisfying love arc. I know this is a traditionally dialogue and plot light game, but I strongly feel that a little extra exploration could make Jean the best character. Maybe a little slower stat gains with just a few more dialogues peppered in (I found her stats quite easy to raise), would go a long way.

OniArtist

It was a save from a 0.991 version of the game, not a 0.990 one? There is a known issue with loading most 0.990 saves that I'm hoping to fix by the end of this version cycle, but if it happens to a 0.991 save then that's new. Another patron did come up with a workaround for 0.990 saves though, which is to load up the save in 0.990m, and then click the menu option to travel somewhere, where it shows all the possible locations? Then while that screen is up, save and then load that save in the new version and go someplace, and you should be able to continue forward from there.

OniArtist

Sorry, yes. I hope to get version f out soon, I've been having some computer issues.

OniArtist

Yeah, I'm trying to be careful about this. Realistically, she can just be a cheat system, but I feel that this would be bad gameplay, so I limit what she can and can't do around the other girls. I basically limit it to her having some control over their impression of her.

OniArtist

Yes, but not everything possible. Basically it's a system where a lot of the checks are A+B+C, so if any one is maxed, then you will have 1/3 of the max pool to draw from, but also there are secondary checks for various activities that decide "well if she's REALLY obedient or REALLY uninhibited, then that will work too," and the check will still clear, although perhaps with different dialogue. It's sort of intended that you get to maxed stats eventually, however you might get there. If you go through obedience first, then she will come to love you through her obedience to you. If you go through love first then she comes to be obedient because she loves you, etc. Jean's stats are particularly complicated.

OniArtist

I definitely intend to get 0.990 saves working again, hopefully soon. In the meantime, a patron came up with a workaround, which is to open that old save in 0.990m, try to open the menu to move to a new location, the campus screen, and then save there. That save should load in 0.991 and then you can move to a new location from there. The issue is not with the save itself, it's that the game is having trouble figuring out where to "drop" you into the world.

OniArtist

Sure. I'll try to add in some more scenes of interest, at the very least some more dialog. I'm curious to hear how you've been progressing, because others have been reporting that it's hard to advance her, so it would be good to know which tactics you find are working smoothly.

Anonymous

Honestly I did not see much difference in her routes (love and submission). Plus, Oni, gifts provide WAY too much points, after giving her two gifts it is pretty much straight way to the cap. I think I miss content because of it.

Simon

yeah, i generally don't give the girls any gifts until i max their stats or am close to maxxing their stats, cause of this reason in general, i like to advance them slowly by flirting with them, but i can understand the reasoning on why each gift gives as many stats as they do as the gifts do cost a significant amount

Anonymous

Since she starts out with pretty much maxed inhibition (no inhibitions) it's easy to ignore that, to some extent, and focus obedience. Once you have that one high enough the love starts to follow as she responds more positively to some dialogue options.

OniArtist

Ok, fair point on the gifts. I don't think it's possible to actually miss content, most of them are triggered by reaching milestones so worst case scenario you would get a ton of scenes one after the other, but it can affect some of the dialogue within those scenes. It's not that there is a ton of difference in *outcomes* between the love and obedience routes, it's more about letting players choose the path that they are comfortable with. I didn't want to restrict players to only being able to advance if they use the more obedience-based tactics, for example.

Anonymous

I personally like her character and I am looking forward to her "sex update", but I have a question, would it be possible to add more sex position to each girl? If I can remember correctly, there was a mod that allowed to switch between sex position, for example, you could do doggy style with Emma, etc.

Anonymous

Well, since her inhibition is so high you can almost jump straight into sex acts with her. Many sexual acts have a large love bonus attached to them, and if you combine that with gifts it happens pretty quickly. At least I thought so! Its worth mentioning that im a bit of a cheater and use the mousewheel to rollback bad choices constantly, haha. Im glad to hear you're open to putting more dialogue or events in though!

OniArtist

Hmm. I'll have to look into some things. Her maxed inhibition really shouldn't be that much of an advantage, since most other characters also start with some combination of high stats, and in most cases having 1000 Inhibition wouldn't be any better than having, say, 700 Love and 300 Obedience.

OniArtist

I do intend to add more of these over time. Laura's is pretty much done on this end, but I need to implement it.

philip brown

bug report, after a buzz session with kitty, location own room, txt pop up before error, "tell oni that in display_girl_, chr is all. and pops up this error[code] I'm sorry, but an uncaught exception occurred. While running game code: File "game/script Functions.rpy", line 3532, in AttributeError: 'unicode' object has no attribute 'Loc'

philip brown

also for a small suggestion, would it be possible to have jeans txt or chat between emma and kitty, with her being below laura and certain backgrounds can make the l or j look similar, half the time i end up clicking on laura

OniArtist

Hmm. I'll try to figure out a better way to distinguish this. I order most things by order of release and it would get confusing to mess with that, but I think I can figure something out.

Sary Gimmons

I absolutely *love* this iteration of Jean. Well done! I look forward to more of her and further development. Is there a plan to make the danger room a minigame at some point perhaps? Or, to introduce combat? I feel like levels aren't very meaningful except for the increased stipend. That is an as-of-yet unexplored angle. Of course: bug fixes, the girls themselves, and the general mechanics should remain the primary focus. Side projects can wait. Jean worked fine for me through the romance route. Only bug I have encountered is the wrong girl responding in the danger room when I ask her to stay in her (sweaty?) gym clothes.

OniArtist

I don't have plans to introduce a lot of "mini-game" type elements that are not related to the sexy content. I figure if I'm going to spend time working on something, it should be sexy.

Alvaro Wolf

Bring the pregnant system pleaaase, it will be very good XD

Shremedy

I find it difficult to buy clothing gifts, because I don't really level up quickly and weekly income is a trifle anemic. I'll buy a book or two if a stat or two seems to be lagging, but for the most part, by the time I have enough cash to buy full sets of swimsuits and underwear, I've already gotten the girl developed enough to walk around nude all day, so I can't use them as intermediate points of immodesty. But yeah, even one gift is often enough to breakthrough and start the dominos falling.