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WATCH ALONG: Fight club (Patreon)

Published:
2022-09-25 14:04:38
Edited:
2022-09-25 14:04:39
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2022-10

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Joseph Ricks

They wrapped the rubber band around his testicles as a prelude to castration. Basically, they banded him like a calf

Michael Parker

Truly, IMHO the single most toxic film I've ever seen. I've watched it at this point 5 times (including this time) and I still find ZERO redeeming value in any portion of this film.

Opti_Frog

Fight Club should be watched at least a second time, because once you know about the split personality you get to enjoy all the little clues, the easter eggs and the things you will come to think you should have picked up on. And they are plentiful. And it's perfectly fine to laugh at Fight Club since it's a dark comedy. A rather misunderstood comedy. What is not so funny are real life people taking Tyler Durden's philosophies seriously. Those who think he's someone to look up to rather than the parody of toxic masculinity he actually is.

Opti_Frog
>>92334897

The fact that you posted this exact comment on both the watch along and the early access makes me think it's some kind of bait.

Michael Parker
>>92335622

...but, unfortunately for the film maker, they did. While I don't blame him for folks warping his art; it's pure toxic sludge now. He might as well change his name to Oppenheimer.

Tyler Foster
>>92334897

I suppose the question would be, does it seem like you're supposed to find much value in it?

Michael Parker
>>92334897

Given the apparent gravitas some speak its name with, that was my assumption. Like if I feel negatively toward it I 'just don't get it' or 'I need to see it again' or I 'must of missed something'. Pretty sure I haven't missed a thing.

Opti_Frog
>>92335622

Well, i disagree completely. Cinema is full of critically lauded anti-heroes and cautionary tales. Travis Bickle, Tony Montana, Alex DeLarge, Michael Corleone, Carrie White, Jules Winnfield - the list goes on and on. If Fincher had portrayed Tyler Durden as the protagonist, you might have a point. But he didn't. It's quite possible to enjoy villains in fiction. Darth Vader might be a genocidal mass-murderer, but he's still a cool bad guy. Man-babies who look up to Durden would still have been man-babies without the movie. "It's so obviously about what goes wrong when a bunch of frat-boys start taking themselves too seriously." —Edward Norton

Opti_Frog
>>92334897

Nothing wrong with disliking a popular movie. The Godfather bores me to tears and i can not stand The Fifth Element. I think the issue is with your assumptions. Fight Club isn't meant to be deep or profound. It's a stylish black comedy and a parody on toxic masculinity (before that was even in the vocabulary) that serves a a vehicle for a killer twist. And i find it outrageously entertaining.

Kenton Kruger
>>92334897

I'd argue the issue with this type of complaint is it's not just a critique of the movie, but an attack on those that might like it. To emphasize it has zero redeeming value and is "toxic" tars those that enjoy it with the same brush. To say The Godfather bores you isn't implying a judgement on those who do enjoy it.

Michael Parker
>>92334897

@Opti_Frog I agree re: The Godfather. I've tried to make it through it on several occasions to little success. I do enjoy Fifth Element, but can see how folks might not.

Michael Parker
>>92334897

@Kenton_Kruger I would argue that seems like quite a leap and feels more like projection than critique on a statement.

Kenton Kruger
>>92334897

@Michael, if something has zero redeeming value and is toxic, what could you see others liking in it then?

Michael Parker
>>92335622

@Opti_Frog I have issues with the Star Wars franchise as well but that's another point of conversation entirely (Wagner did it first (better maybe?), though I am happy that John Williams at least realize that if it felt like no one else on the production staff was in on the 'joke'.) I 100% see Tyler as a protagonist. I'm sure its perhaps POV on my part, but that's absolutely how it feels to me, despite the 'twist' ending (which feels more like an excuse or 'cop out' not a redemption of a point (if that makes sense).

Nick of Time

After some of your reactions to Fight Club, I strongly recommend having a bucket 🪣 handy while watching Se7en.

Nick of Time
>>92335622

I see all this talk about Fincher as the filmmaker, but no one is mentioning the novelist who penned the book on which it is based. Chuck Palahniuk, a gay man, writes transgressive fiction, which is defined as “literature which focuses on characters who feel confined by the norms and expectations of society and who break free of those confines in unusual or illicit ways” and oftentimes himself participated in group acts of vandalism, pranks, and public drunkenness, events which obviously inspired many of his books and stories. Both the book and film of Fight Club are absolutely big middle fingers in the face of modern corporatism, consumerism, and materialism. See also his other book-turned-movie, “Choke”, which has many of the same themes as Fight Club, but with more sex and less violence.

Opti_Frog
>>92335622

@Michael Parker Firstly, i have really enjoyed trading opinions about this with you. Secondly, i think we have found the root of your problem, and i'm not trying to be rude when i say that it sounds like a you-problem. Thirdly, who doesn't have issues with Star Wars? 😋

Opti_Frog
>>92335622

@Nick of Time I can't talk about something i know nothing about. Besides, the film stands and falls on it's on merits.

ChickensAreRacist

Phone booths had its own number always displayed on the phone itself.

Michael Parker
>>92335622

@Opti_Frog I completely agree! I've enjoyed talking with you as well! I enjoy talking with folks who have different opinions than I do with out it getting personal. To your second point, I completely agree! It is a 'me' problem! I simply find the film repugnant on every level. I've tried, many times at this point, but as I get older, its nearly come to the point that its nearly a visceral reaction, like I feel physically ill at what I see in in these characters in the film.

Michael Parker
>>92335622

@Nick_of_Time "Fight Club are absolutely big middle fingers in the face of modern corporatism, consumerism, and materialism." Yeah, I get NONE of that from the film. Like maybe a bit at the start (before Brad Pits character arrives) and a bit at the end. I just feel like that entire point could have been made so much better/clearer with all the (as I see/feel it) toxic mess that happens in the middle chunk of the film. Not needed.

Michael Parker
>>92401891

Agreed! However, nothing in Se7en bothered me anywhere nearly as much as 'Fight Club'.

Michael Parker
>>92335622

@Opti_Frog My issues with Star Wars are simply that I wish that folks who enjoy it would get to the Met to see an Opera sometime. If you think 'Star Wars' is so great, you should LOVE Wagner! Richard Wagner's Ring Cycle is basically 'What if the Marvel Cinematic Universe and Star Wars had a German baby?' :)

ChickensAreRacist

We know you have musical theory in your history to some degree. But seeing you snap on the off beat of that Tom Waits song ‘Goin Out West’ was funny.

Opti_Frog
>>92335622

Regardless of the story being told, i believe that opera as an art form is much harder to get into than movies. Like with death metal growling, you have to train your ears to be able to pick up what is being sung. I am firmly planted in the opinion that filmmaking is the ultimate art form, because it combines most of all other arts.

Jill Peterson

Brad Pitt looks like a douche bag because Brad Pitt is a douche bag.

Andy H.
>>92401891

Having a puke bucket handy is usually a good idea for most David Fincher movies.