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I Am Not Chamari

I think the show never loses its fun, but I think next season really does shift things tonally. I think Luke got into UNC (that’s the school Skills mentioned) but chose to take the job, which I think makes sense. That way, he gets to see/help with Jamie and Lily. Also, Lucas being an assistant coach for Whitey is significant for what is to come. That’s all I’ll say. The Lucas/Peyton piece is also building up to something else - the decision that they both make for Peyton to go has ripples for their future, and I think the writers wanted to emphasize that choice.

J

Lucas got into UNC which yes is a very good school. For Lucas for a long time two things drove him family and a desire to play basketball. As basketball went away from him family and writing became his drives. Going to UNC was a great opportunity but is farther from his mom and new sister and Nathan, Haley and Jamie. The school with Whitey and Nathan is closer to home and keeps him connected to basketball via coaching and he can take classes too. So he'll still be able to get a degree. He mentioned at the beginning of this episode that he knew what he wanted which was UNC but when Whitey offered him the coaching position it left him undecided. But for Lucas working with Whitey gave him the best of everything basketball, school, and family.

J

You are 1000% when you said this was the end of an era for this show. Many fans group certain seasons of the show into eras of time for both characters and tone. For me it's seasons 1-4, seasons 5-6, and seasons 7-9 just mentally they all represent different eras of the show and different tone (at least for me in my viewing) I love each era so much because I am such a fan. I really hope you enjoy season 5 definitely a new era I think they'll be additions you enjoy some maybe not and some that will surprise you! Can't wait.

J

Chase is definitely a very ummm lackluster addition to the show at this point. But I think that was not intentional but also definitely avoidable. When the writers introduced Chase as Brooke's love interest I think it was because they felt that she needed to have a love interest to be engaging and to feel as though they'd given her a "happy ending". I don't think they'd grasped that Brooke in or out of a relationship is the most engaging person on the show lol and a relationship does not signify a happy ending for a character. There a multiple instances in this show where the writers have sort of written themselves into a corner and Chase's presence in the back half of this season is an example of that. He is left over collateral damage from the Lucas/Peyton/Brooke triangle. The writers knew what the Lucas and Peyton dynamic would look like once he picked her because they'd been writing to it for four years. But since her first day on the show Brooke as a character has been attached to the wagon of those two characters and her arc has been defined by them. The middle to end of season four is the first time she is detached from those characters and you can see where writers often struggled with characterizing Brooke without the weight of Lucas and Peyton attached to her. Enter Chase, a love interest not fleeting like Mr.Chavez was but with a good heart and potential. Only problem is they wrote him in and realized "oh we're at the finish line and we want to highlight our other characters and storylines." Chase is a great middle of season 2 or 3 relationship in my opinion and he would have been a strong addition somewhere in that time of the show. He is not the relationship you introduce as you are building up to taking your characters somewhere new and it feels like the writers realized that and realized that they weren't sure if he was going to be coming along for the rest of the ride. Again writing themselves into a corner because they've developed a relationship but not a character and the relationship also isn't complex enough nor is there enough time to make it impactful.

thisismaria27

100% agreed. There are three equally exciting one tree hill eras and here is where the first one concludes. it feels like a series finale and concludes a huge arc for every main character. But the remaining seasons are just as good and allow even more character growth - especially for the women on the show.

cil

the high school years/seasons are regarded by most fans as the best seasons of the show. so it really is like the end of an era. seasons 5 and 6 are pretty good with some fun storylines. seasons 7 - 9 is where i completely lose interest in the show though. i feel season 7 is where it starts to jump shark a little...

Mariella Nilsson

I actually feel like The best are to come, better drama, less teenage more adult and more humor, plus some of my favourite characters!

thisismaria27

see season 7 is my favorite right after season 3. but ofc it’s a preference, we‘ll see how Stephen will feel.

Mariella Nilsson

That ending with dan always makes me cry, so well acted!

AllieDoh

I've always preferred the post-high school years tbh. They're all so good!

AllieDoh

For me, the show NEVER stops being a fun time, and ngl, seasons 5-9 are my favorite half of the show, with 7-9 being my favorite era. Though I do love 5-6 A LOT. The show from here shifts to a more mature tone and i just adore it because it didn't do that thing a lot of shows that start in HS do, where they try to keep the same teen-vibe despite the characters being past it... OTH grew with its audience and embraced the shift.

J

yes definitely you are so right in terms of character growth for the female characters on this show!!

J

@thisismaria27 yes I am a season 7 lover for sure it is my favorite after 3 as well. I just like the additions and the storylines it is definitely my favorite of the adult years.

Nyssa Rawther 🍉

I gave this a 10 because it really wrapped things up for this era of the show. The next era is pretty rockin so I really can't wait to see how you feel about it

Nyssa Rawther 🍉

Agreed with the era breakdowns. For me, my fav is the 2nd era. There's just something about seeing their growth that makes it more magical

thisismaria27

agreed! season 7 had really the best storylines for everyone. I think Stephen will like the post-high school years too :)

Jeremy Burch

I've said in a few comments that I think Chase is fine, which isn't the biggest compliment, I just thought he was more likeable than Felix from season 2, but we've spent half a season with him and all we know about him is that he likes to skateboard, the show gave him zero development, but it does make sense that he was in the river court scene because he's with Brooke, while it wouldn't have made sense for Shelley to be there since she's not dating Mouth and she doesn't know anyone their that well. Although, I was glad they brought Shelley back, for one because I liked the way this finale felt like the show was wrapping up all the high school stuff and because it gave her and Mouth a much better ending then they had earlier this season. I've always hated that moment with their relationship and the show never acknowledging that Mouth pressured her into sex, but at least the moments this episode gave her were better then ending it with her leaving and all of Mouth's friends saying she wasn't right for him or good enough for him, like they had been for a few episodes of the show, it felt like the closest the show would get to acknowledging that Mouth was part of the reason for the relationship ending and that Shelley's not the worst. I love the way this episode felt. like it was a great series finale, a series finale to the high school years, I also love that this show didn't try to keep the high school years going on forever but let them grow and I have my favorite seasons of One Tree Hill, but I still really like and enjoy all the seasons.

Nyssa Rawther 🍉

Also, on first watch of this show, I loved Mouth so much. But upon rewatching, I've realized the subtle red signals. And learning that Mouth was apparently a self insert character of the show's creator, Mark Schwann, who as it turns out was a big time sexual predator certainly didn't help matters. No matter what the opinion on Mouth is, though, I've ALWAYS hated that ridiculous scene where he jumped off the roof, landed on his feet like a B grade superhero and kissed Brooke without her consent. If it had been ANY other guy, she would have kicked their ass. Because it's innocent friend Mouth, he gets a pass?? I don't think so...

Jeremy Burch

I'm alright with the jumping off the roof part, even thought it was incredibly cheesy, but I was never alright with the forced kiss, not even on the first watch, if he had walked up to her and asked to kiss her and she had said yes, that would have been a great scene, but not the way they did it. Although I am refusing to let the writers, probably Mark Schwann in particular ruin Mouth for me with some of their story ideas, I like the actor and the way he plays the role most of the time too much, I don't want another Xander.