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haley

about to watch this but i know peyton gonna annoy me so bad… pray for me pls

TM Scott

Hello. great reaction as always. I think Haleys response was more built off her being emotional and hormonal. Peytons response was built off of feeling as though Brooke shamed her and cut her off when Brooke was just as guilty as Peyton was. She wasn't but it's how Peyton felt. I think the convo between Luke and Nate was my fave part of this ep. Everything you were saying was correct but for teenagers they had to work through their feelings before they could make sense of them. So to have this whirlwind of emotion take over the episode the twist ending hits even harder, cause for a second we forgot psycho stalkers were a thing.

Kailey

I think Haley reacting the way she did was more so because it was Brooke and because shes extra emotional when shes pregnant. Its possible if she wasnt pregnant she would still be upset to find out the way she did but maybe not as extreme. I think they did this to more show that both Brooke and Peyton have made mistakes in their friendship to hurt each other and that neither of them are perfect people. I dont think it was to make the audience hate brooke because for alot of people including me it didnt make me hate her lol

J

The point of Peyton being upset was built up anger with Brooke. It was a lot of her hurt at her. If Brooke would've told Peyton at anytime she slept with Nathan she probably would have had a more controlled reaction. But Brooke has gone out of her way to make Peyton feel like a backstabbing whore for about a year, a year where Peyton has been going through hell. I think Peyton was allowing Brooke to put her down because she felt like she deserved it and now she's finally letting Brooke know all the ways her words and distance have hurt her. With Haley her reaction was more so hormonal and was supposed to be funny and it was a little bit of jealously, she's already known Nathan had slept with one of her best friend when he dated Peyton, he slept with her sister, and now Brooke. It was just a little insecurity playing out as well.

Jeremy Burch

Wow, that's crazy when you list it like that. Even after having watched this show more than once, I never really listed it like that, Nathan was with Peyton, Haley's sister and Brooke, he was with a large majority of Haley's female social circle and Rachel even tried really hard to be on that list.

C J

Unfortunately, I think you were influenced by comments on the previous video, so you went in with an unconscious bias. Fans of Brooke tend to 'Movie Hermione' her, I.e. she has no faults, and that's mainly due to the great growth we see in her character. I don't think the perspective is to demonise Brooke, but to show where both her and Nathan have come from and how much growth they have had. They are completely different people to what they were 4 years ago. They had to bridge this gap between Brooke and Peyton somehow, and this was the only way to do it because they've already made it clear that Brooke holds on to what Peyton did and won't forgove her for it...which by the way, was also over 2 years ago, so if we're holding them to the same standard Brooke also knew Peyton liked Lucas and still went after him straight away, so they're displaying the same qualities for her here. By doing this now they both have something to be angry at the other, and something to forgive and possibly move past. Also, Peyton explained exactly why she was angry. Yes her and Nathan had broken up, but it had JUST happened. Yes, they were on and off, but her best friend should know that, and he should be off limits. Like Hayley said, Peyton has just found out, and while these past seasons she's been painted with a scarlet letter, apologised profusely, punished for her honesty (which was asked of her), but she's also gone through losing her friend, been ostracised, found her birth mother, found out she's going to lose her, finds her mother dead on a couch, gets a stalker, stalker almost kills her, finds a new brother and has to establish a relationship...it's been a hell of a year, and then to have her former best friend mock her mothers death and insinuate that it's because of Peyton...I would have clocked her too.

Jeremy Burch

I love the line from Peyton to Lucas "do you ever actually defend the person your dating" because it's true, when he's with Brooke he's always going to Peyton and now that he's dating Peyton he seems to be going to Brooke first, it's a Lucas thing to do apparently. I think a lot of people think this storyline was written to make people dislike Brooke, but I don't think so, because if they really wanted people to stop liking Brooke, they wouldn't reiterate the fact that Nathan and Peyton were broken up so many times or that what Peyton did was worse. I feel like it was a way, a way I didn't really like, for the show to have them both get angry at each other and just let everything out. I don't think Peyton's anger was really about the tape, it was about all the things that Brooke did and the comments she made about Peyton's mother amongst other things, that hurt her and did make her angry, but she pushed it all down because she thought she deserved it and now she's not sure she deserved quite as much as she got and she's letting all of her pent up hurt and anger out.

haley

the writers and some of the actors literally admitted that the storyline was thrown in last minute. also lots of brooke fans can admit her faults but she actually grew and developed as a character where as peyton never learned, she just kept doing the same stuff expecting to never face consequences. it got exhausting watching her constantly make the same “mistakes” and then crying and playing victim. i agree what brooke said about her mothers death was completely out of line and i’m 100% on peyton’s side when it comes to her being upset about that. overall though i don’t believe peyton had a right to be this angry when she’d done worse and done it multiple times.

haley

i’ve said this before and i’ll say it again, i still hate the writers for trying to mess up brooke’s character just because people were siding with her more and preferring her over peyton. i still think what peyton did was worse considering she did it twice WHILE lucas and brooke were actually in a relationship, by definition brooke didn’t cheat with nathan so i don’t understand why peyton was acting like brooke did something so much worse than her when it’s just not true ? also peyton getting angry because brooke and nathan had sex while she stated that her and lucas didn’t but the ONLY reason they didn’t was literally because her hair got caught in his necklace and HE was the one who stopped it. she’s a giant hypocrite. the only thing i fault brooke for in this whole fight was the comments about the dead moms. other than that peyton was the one who constantly went after lucas while he was in a relationship and didn’t care who she hurt in the process. it’s crazy to me that people really believe brooke hooking up with nathan while they were both single and drunk at a party is worse than peyton and lucas having a whole emotional affair and kissing like 4 times (almost having sex) behind brooke’s back while him and brooke were still TOGETHER. like please think that over. peyton had no right to be THIS angry about the sex tape considering she’d done worse. but let me just mention again that i do believe peyton was 100% justified in her anger and hurt over the dead mom jokes because that was just plain wrong and cruel, but at the end of the day i was on brooke’s side when it came to the love triangle. i also believe brooke actually changed as a person after this whole experience where as peyton never did.

C J

Thrown in last minute doesn't mean it's intent was to make the audience hate Brooke. As i mentioned, I feel it was more to even the scale in order to bring the two girls back together before the season finale. Let's not forget that Hillary and Sophia are big Brooke/Peyton fans, neither of them hate on Peyton the way some Brooke fans do. Lucas was always the problem in that relationship.

haley

they’ve admitted to it being thrown in to make peyton seem redeemable. you can search for it if you’d like more information. also just because the actresses praise their relationship doesn’t mean everyone has to agree. i do agree that lucas was a huge problem but peyton played a big part in it as well. she was the one who had an obligation to brooke as a best friend and still betrayed her more than once.

thisismaria27

my opinion on this whole sextape mess? they were all teenagers and they all messed up in some way. Nathan should‘ve told Haley sooner, Haley should’ve been more understanding, Peyton should’ve been less mad and Brooke should’ve been more empathetic to Peyton. But they all had valid reasons for acting and reating the way they did so I’m on nobody’s side 100%. Both Brooke and Peyton at least finally said what needed to be said and I’m glad that happened,

Nicole Christie

you're biased BROOKE fan first (we get it). Cant see the truth as to why Peyton was upset. I refer you to @Jordyn Bibbs and @Jeremy Burch AND @CJ post in this thread

haley

i literally just said i understand why peyton was upset about SOME of it so uh ?

haley

i just provided you with facts so if you wanna ignore that maybe you’re the biased one 🤷‍♀️

J

Yea! and now that Haley is a cheerleader there are probably more girls she's friends with now that Nathan has slept with in the past. Haley isn't blind to Nathan's past its just hard when its surrounding her and personified by people she is close too. And again it doesn't help finding out when she's like the most hormonal she's ever been lol

J

This plot point as mentioned and discussed was meant to be an equalizer of sorts when it comes to the characters of Brooke and Peyton.As I've mentioned previously Peyton as a character was harder for audiences to connect to in a way Brooke wasn't.Brooke is not a perfect character she is emotional and can be spiteful but she's had a more clear character arc than say Peyton has. It is easier for audiences to see Brooke's growth from shallow self serving cheerleader and at times selfish friend to who we know now seasons later as a more compassionate and vulnerable person.That kind of character journey is just naturally more evident. Peyton's character has grown as well but I think in different ways and much of her growth has been weighed down by the flash of dramatic storytelling like psycho Derek storylines or dead moms. As someone who has seen the show many times I have always been a Brooke Davis girl but even in that I've never overlooked Peyton's pain and this episode her pain and rejection when it comes to Brooke is on display. A little complicated to say without spoiling season 5 but there are things the writers wanted to accomplish in term of character dynamics and relationships this season. One of them was really trying to decided what they wanted the Brooke and Peyton relationship to look like going forward. I think a part of that was having audiences respond to Peyton positively and this was a way to do that. Do I think it was perfect? Not at all but it was dramatic and flashy and an easy way to show the lack of perfection even seemingly perfect characters hold (aka Brooke). What it also did was humanize Peyton in a more sympathetic light and give her an outlet for her hurt and give the audience a chance to see her in a way they hadn't before. Again this is also a show about teens. Teenagers who react on emotion first and logic second.

Nicole Christie

WELL Said. I am a Brooke AND Peyton fan and you said what I couldnt say without messing it up

J

thanks! I think sometimes it's easier to breakdown character dynamics and motivations when you've seen the show so many times. I can say my first watch of this show I think I as a viewer was harsher on Peyton mostly because I didn't connect with her like I did Brooke. But I do think looking back Peyton's pain is I think definitely overlooked by audiences and even sometimes characters lol. If that was my friend going through all that? I feel like no other characters really address everything she goes through