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Buffy The Vampire Slayer "Fool for Love" 5x7 Reaction (Patreon)

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2020-07-02 21:07:59
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2020-11-29 17:35:03
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Comments

WarRaven

This episode is in my top five Buffy Episodes. It’s such a good character growth story for Spike!

Mo

Yes! I love this episode.

SpikesEcho

Does he know that "Fool for Love" and Angel's episode, "Darla" are designed to be watched back-to-back?

Kelly Walker

Loved your reaction to seeing him as a poet! He didn’t hit Buffy in the stomach, he tweaked her wound. This is definitely one of my favorites. It’s a two part crossover with Angel though, so more to come. When Spike returned he said Dru left him for a chaos demon. And I think he’s always been a little obsessed with Buffy, even if he wasn’t aware of it. Might not have been love, but it’s been obsession.

Stacey

In my top 5 eps of the entire show.

Ghost Mom

The guy with the antlers and the goo is a chaos demon. in the episode Spike returns crying, he says Dru left him for a chaos demon and says "you ever seen a chaos demon? they're all slime and antlers." as for Dru saying she saw the slayer all over him it could be his obsession with killing her that she's talking about, but Drusilla also has the sight and so it's possible she saw this future lustful obsession before it happened and it creeped her out.

Tarot Discombe

Like Raina and Kelly said, he has always had some kind of obsession with her and she has the sight so saw his obsession grow before it happened, but if she hadn't kept bringing it up, cheating and then broke up with him the obsession may have dwindled and it wouldn't have happened this way. What makes you think Dawn is causing it? I think it's the Monks spell, changing the memories created some trauma.

TheyCallMeJeff

This episode is often considered one of the best episodes of the series, I've never seen such a take of confusion for the episode like Stephen's reaction still interesting though. Some of the dialogue is a call back to Season 2 and 3 that featured Spike In Season 2, in School Hard, Giles discusses that Spike got his name "Spike" from his use of using railroad spikes to torture his victims. Thus when that guy says, "I would rather someone torture me with railroad spikes." instrad of hearing William the Bloody's awful poetry. That hints at that Spike did torture and kill him, and possibly everyone else in that conversation. In Season 3, in Lovers Walk, Spike is crying on Willow's shoulder and tells her Dru left him for a chaos demon, they're all slime and antlers. Also remember Dru has the sight, so she can see things from the future. Buffy floating around was probably her seeing what Spike will be obsessing over down the road, she just has an odd way of explaining it, which is what i love about her, her odd explanations almost seem like word salad.

SpikesEcho

I'm confused by your confusion lol, the writing and storytelling in this ep is tight as a drum (and as you've already posted, see how it's layered perspectively with Darla as a cross-over between the two shows). But from start to finish, both Buffy and Spike have a very linear and layered character arc, so I'm not sure where the episode feels weird to you...? But fantastic writing and directing in this ep...haven't watched your Darla one yet, but I hope you dig the change in perspective ✌️

Melissa Murphy

You are the first reactor I have seen that was confused? I am not sure where the confusion comes in. Its a very well written story detailing both Spike's backstory and a little Slayer Mythology-its great from start to finish IMO(minus the Riley stuff lol) As for Dru, remember she has visions so when she tells Spike he is covered in her I always took it as Dru saw how Spike really feels towards Buffy before even he did so no confusion on this end. Anyway I am glad you still enjoyed it even with the confusion, this has always been on of my top Buffy episodes.

o

This episode is about all the people who complain about when you look away to do other things, that you may miss things. All of this has been set-up, each and everything that culminated in this episode has been brewing now for over 2 Seasons. It is why the people respond the way that they do, it is not your issue very few television shows are set up this way. There are no throw away lines of throw away looks or moments. If you ever re-watch this series the moments you will see are going to amaze you. Don't worry you are exactly were you are supposed to be, we all had no idea at the time. I still catch things in watching this episode with you (2) new ones and I have seen it at least once a year since it originally came out. Everything is connected.........

o

Buffy did not just get hurt, if Riley had not shown up when he did, Buffy was going to die. Spike is not a nerd, Spike is a Poet, who becomes overly obsessed with things (like finding the perfect word or "The Slayer"), because "he feels *beneath" all things and not worthy". Spikes origin story, how he got his scar, how he got his name, how he got his coat, the reason he showed up in Sunnydale to begin with. I give this episode a "10" and will stand by the fact it is a tent pole episode in many people's "wait til you see this episode!!!!"

cil

i wish people in the fandom could understand and accept that its okay for viewers to not love fan favorite episodes. i agree with you steven. this is a good one, but it's not amazing. and you are right...he was not obsessed with buffy at all at the end of season 2 so the scene where dru says he is here does seem a bit inconsistent.

o
>>39689080

"Thin Line between Love and Hate" is a saying and hit song for a reason.

sonofcoul
>>39689512

As others mention, Dru has the sight so I think it makes sense imo (: But I agree with you for the other part, even if I love this episode, everyone is allowed to have their own opinion and people shouldn't get mad.

Andrea

Count me as another one who puts this episode in their top 5 of the show. Just SUCH good character work here, imo. And that editing between Spike's fight with the 2nd slayer and his "dance" with Buffy is just A+, one of my favorite sequences of the series. Buffy's face in the last scene while being "comforted" by Spike, which basically just screamed "what the hell is my life," was perfect. I would say Buffy was so thrown off by being stabbed by a general run-of-the-mill vamp because she's literally at the top of her game, training more than ever, and yet, like you said, she got caught off-guard. She asked for Giles' help in understanding the nature of the Slayer at the beginning of the season, so her wanting to know how other slayers died is a part of her existential exploration of that. And clearly, the notion Spike presented of all slayers having an inherent death wish, and that the only reason she's survived this long is because she's got friends and family tying her to the world, rattled her. That's partly why she lashed out at him and used Cecily's words against him (and partly because he tried to kiss her and she hates him, lol). I loved that they actually showed us the chaos demon that Spike described Drusilla leaving him for back in S3 - "all slime and antlers." It was even better than I'd imagined, haha. And I think the point of that scene is that Spike has been in denial about his Slayer fixation for a while, so of course when telling the story to Willow in S3, he told his version, which was basically, "she left me for that chaos demon." Although in that episode I think he DID say something to the effect of "she never forgave me for teaming up with the Slayer" or something like that, too. But Drusilla can basically see into the future, so she likely saw that his slayer obsession would only grow. Always good to note the dates of the flashbacks. Spike joined their gang in 1880, and the Boxer Rebellion scenes were in 1900, so they basically ran together as a crew for nearly 20 years before that (as we would then see in "Darla," Angel got his soul and left the group in 1898), which is why Spike acted like he and Angel had been "friends" at some point back in S2. Looking forward to seeing your perspective on these scenes in "Darla." Your face when you first saw William was EVERYTHING, lol. Also, since you've already watched "Darla," might be worth noting that this episode and "Darla" aired on the same night and were advertised as a 2-hour event, so Angel's brief use in this episode wouldn't have seemed weird to the viewers since it played right into his episode.

Launa Sorensen

I really love this episode because the whole thing (minus the Riley B-plot of course. Though it was nice to see him being capable and helpful) is about exploring the core elements of two major characters. Buffy is shocked into a crisis about her mortality when she realizes not only is she fallible, but even her most routine tasks could get her killed. She’s been in this space all season where she has to be hyper-capable and take care of everything and being staled reminded her that all it takes is one misstep and even the most common of enemies could take her down. It scares her, and she doesn’t want to think that dying could be as simple as a misstep. She wants to think she can train away her fragility. So when she talks to Spike and he basically confirms her worst fear — that it really is just about the grind and she really will die someday because of some slip up or because she’s too tired to go on — it freaks her out even more and she doesn’t want to admit to herself that it could be that simple. Two other slayers were killed by a single, simple vampire just like she almost was. But seeing her mom get sicker with an unknown illness slaps her hard into reality. Death is unpredictable and if it’s her ties to humanity that keep her strong, her mom getting sick reminds her that everyone she loves is fragile, too. As for Spike, this ep really drives home one of the core tenants of his entire personality—obsession. He gets fixated on things. Beauty, fighting, chaos. He got obsessed with killing slayers, which is what brought him to Sunnydale, and he kept that obsession even when he fled. Drucsilla saw that obsession in South America and foretold the future in what it would become. It’s why he goes from wanting to be hit to wanting a kiss. He’s obsessed with “dancing” with Buffy in any way he can. He wants to have her, whether it’s killing her or being with her. The lust component popped out hard when the chip made it impossible for them to really fight. He feels this obsessive connection with her that he’s trying to make sense of and he doesn’t get that she doesn’t feel it herself. It’s the root of that razor’s edge of love and hate — every time he can’t have one, he wants another. The ending scene is my favorite, though. Because it gives a glimpse that he actually cares. He went there to kill her and when she looked up at him, she was fragile enough that he could do it. She had the look of having a “death wish” like he talked about earlier. He absolutely could have killed her, but instead seeing her vulnerable made him want to help. I think this ep was a really solid character study for both Buffy and Spike and I love the nonlinear storytelling.

Ray D

This episode is a stone cold classic and a 10 out of 10. The spike backstory, Buffy wondering about her slayer roots and really facing down possible death, and the crossover within the Angel episode Darla makes this one of the greats. This is the episode that I went from hating the idea of Buffy and spike getting together to wanting it to happen.

Anonymous

One note worthy comment I wanted to mention since you finally watched this episode, is that Spike keeps that scar on his eyebrow which he got from the Slayer in the boxer rebellion, and I don't know if you caught it. Most, if any of the vampires in this lore, don't scar. Their wounds heal eventually without marks, but in one of the Buffy books it mentioned more about the fight Spike had with her. The sword she (Chinese Slayer) cut Spike with was enchanted or blessed by a Buddhist monk, which is why his character ended up with his scar. However, most know the actor actually had the real scar from being mugged, but I'm really glad they kept it for his character. I just wished they would have elaborated on why it remained and never healed that in the show.

Anonymous

I don't understand your hang up on Buffy talking smack. She's always talked smack. She even makes a joke about it in season 3's Helpless. Her being a smart ass is business as usual not her being sloppy. Her getting staged highlights the fact that if your destiny is to go out nightly to fight and kill dangerous creatures the odds are at some point you're going to get hurt. Buffy gets shocked into needing to know the deaths of past slayer so she can maybe figure out the reason why she messed up. As far as Dru saying she can only see the slayer when she looks at Spike, you are forgetting the Drusilla has visions of the future.

Vicky N

This is my favorite episode not written by Joss. Perfectly written, acted and directed. Others have already touched on all the aspects that make this episode great. I will focus on James Marsters performance. He goes from Victorian gentleman bashful and sensitive, to fledgling vampire cocky and irreverent, to ruthless killer to his actual personality. One thing never changes, as the title of the episode but indicates, he is at his core a hopeless romantic. This show is very difficult to comment with the prospective of a first time viewer when you have already seen the whole show. Because so many things are meant to be understood later and other make sense if you remember everything that came before, even the seemingly throwaway lines.

DJ Doena

Tidbit: In Spike's first appearance: He said to Angel: "You were my Sire, you were my Yoda!", implying that it was indeed Angel who made Spike a vampire. But as we learned the order is Master-Darla-Angel-Drusilla-Spike. But then again, we learn in Episode I, that Obi-Wan was also imprecise in Episode V when he claimed that Yoda trained him when it was indeed Qui-Gon who was his direct master.

DJ Doena

As for the ages: Darla was turned by the Master in 1609. Then Liam/Angelus in 1753, Dru in 1860 and William/Spike in 1880. Then in 1898 Angelus was cursed by the gypsies. Which means that when Spike kills the Chinese Slayer in the Boxer Rebellion in 1900, it's already cursed Angel.

DJ Doena
>>39688776

Well, to be fair, most people who love the show may have also missed things when they originally watched it on TV and only caught such things when they re-watched or even re-binged it on DVD. Steven is juggling quite a number of shows and has to keep track of characters and storylines for many different arcs at the same time. But yes, I'm also one of the complainers that he doesn't pause the video when he has to check on something, which I wouldn't mind.

DJ Doena
>>39698371

And the real-world reason for all of this is, that James Marsters - just like Lucifer's Mazikeen's Lesley-Ann Brandt - actually has that scar in his eyebrow.

DJ Doena
>>39703172

Agreed. Just take in his very first appearance. He rams down the Welcome to Smallville, erm, Sunnydale sign. He charges into the crypt where the Annoying One holds court wearing game face. But the moment Drusilla enters, he becomes all puppy face. William/Spike has always been a fool for love.

DJ Doena
>>39703624

Note this was not intentional though since School Hard aired in September 1997 and Episode I came out in 1999. Probably at the time, Angel was meant to be Spike's Sire and Spike was supposed to be killed off in a few episodes. But Spike doesn't die easily! The same is true for Spike's age. Giles says in School Hard: "Our new friend Spike. He's known as 'William the Bloody'. Earned his nickname by torturing his victims with railroad spikes. Very pleasant. Well, here's some good news: he's barely two hundred. He's not even as old as Angel is. " Marsters was 38 by this episode (Fool for Love) but I think William is meant to be younger in 1880. Add the 117 you come to "barely 150" total and "barely 120" as a vampire.

Jed Wingard

The thing with Spike in the end is despite how mad he was he's still infatuated with Buffy, we've seen him when he cared for Drusilla, he was extremely gentle with her, even later on when she leaves him despite how mad he is, he still wanted her back. Kinda similar here, Buffy abuses Spike but Spike can't help but care for her so seeing her in pain is something he hates seeing. Spike truly is a poet at heart. Poet's are people of great passion who express they're passion through literature. The problem with Spike is he's a terrible poet so as a vampire he expresses that passion through physical violence and the love of a good fight, and through obsessing over certain things.

SpikesEcho
>>39690681

It's interesting to look at both Spike's and Angel's (with and without soul) obsessive personalities.

Vicky N
>>39699337

Yes! Buffy talking smack to vampires, her puns while she slays them are literally her trademarks. It’s what she has always done from the first episode.

Daniel R

I think for the Buffy thing at the start it circles back from Spike basically telling Buffy that Slayer's like to dance with death, it's in them. Buffy "talking smack" is basically her toying with death, she enjoys the dance like Spike does. I really like Spike's backstory and while I *want* to say it's a top 10 episode for me I am moreso here for your opinions not necessarily force mine onto you like most of the fandom seems to want

Silvern7552

My idea with how Drusilla was talking to spike about seeing buffy, is that she was seeing the future. She does have some ability with future sight, but it doesn't come clearly because of her mental state, and this is Spikes future obsession with Buffy at that moment.

Daywalker

Spike is my favorite character so may be a bit biased when talking about him. One of the reasons I think he's so interesting is that he's such a contradiction. When vampires are made, they lose most or all of their humanity. Case in point, the Judge "tested" Angelus and said he had "no humanity" left in him. But Spike is able to retain some of his humanity - so in my eyes, in a way, there's still a sliver of the human he used to be, the "bad poet" but still a "good man." I also think that this is part of the reason Drusilla chooses Spike, his humanity makes a unique vampire. I also think she may also sense his potential to be a person of significance and maybe even the great love affair they would have. At the end of the episode, I think we also get to see a bit of that humanity. He is acting less "Spike the Vampire" and more "William the Fool for Love" - meaning, he will always have that quality, hence the name of the episode. Also fun fact, in the Buffy comic, almost all the people at that English party in 1880 did die. You will remeet the person who killed all of them next season I think. But it's quick and subtle. Another fun fact, Joss Whedon basically wrote Loki like he wrote Spike - he literally admitted to this in an interview.

Allan Cornett

I have jumped in and out on this reactor. He just watches too many shows and his Buffy reactions suffer for it. He didn’t get that the show was making fun of itself in Zeppo. I’m only staying till the end of this season.

Tammy L. Faulkner

Just outta curiosity... what makes you think Dawn is the reason for Joyce being sick? It's not something that was said in episodes up to this point or anything from what I remember.

cil
>>42854475

him "watching too many shows" is not the reason he didn't love this episode and all of his critiques/questions for the episode are valid. people need to accept that it's okay for him to critique episodes that others love. people shouldn't come here if they're just looking for their feelings to be validated. i actually want to hear his insights, even when i don't agree.