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Buffy The Vampire Slayer "Bad Girls" 3x14 Reaction (Patreon)

Published:
2019-08-26 04:55:04
Edited:
2020-11-29 17:06:58
Imported:
2021-03

Content

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ko079uus558ixsp/Buffy%203X14.mp4?dl=0

Comments

FernWithy

You didn't miss anything Bangel-wise. They're just being careless. ETA: Good God, yes, I agree about Balthazar. I almost always skip the scenes that are just plot-related, since obviously, that's just there as framing for the Faith plot. Faith is Buffy's dark side, and she embraced it for a moment... then Alan died and... yeah.

Bixgirl1

Paused in the middle of your reaction to respond to your pause, and question lol. Angel can definitely go evil again - the Romany curse seems pretty specific. If you'll notice, he doesn't know how to react when Buffy jumps into his arms; when she gets snuggly on the couch, he carefully detaches himself and moves to another one. Further, in the opening scene of Helpless, when they're training, he asks if she's satisfied (when she play-stakes him), and they both get flustered, and Buffy says, "we're not seeking satisfaction...in the personal sex." So my interpretation of their relationship at this point has always been that they're in love and "together", but usually keep things as sexless as possible - a casual goodbye kiss like that in the Bronze (or a weepy declaration, like in The Zeppo), isn't going to have much of an affect on the status of Angel's curse/soul. As for why Buffy's behaving the way she is, I think it's just pretty simple on her part. Faith makes it look fun. She's the only one who *really* understands the Slayer side of Buffy -- the physical responses, the thoughts Buffy most likely has had about being "better" but has made herself stop thinking. Slaying is a thrill. The dancing like that, after a successful slay (where Buffy got that gash on her arm, I've always thought) is a way to blow off that adrenaline rush it gives them. *Totally* agree about the classroom scene though. I've always wondered where tf the teacher has gone while everyone's taking the test. Lololol

o

The point you have has not been dealt with yet. so you really can't have an answer about the Buffy/Angel thing.

Amanda S
>>26151002

During the test scene the teacher says something to the effect of "you're on the honor system, so don't talk". Whenever a teacher said we were on the honor system, it's because they weren't going to be there to supervise, so I'd say the teacher was gone by the time Faith showed up.

TheyCallMeJeff

This episode is all about the attraction of the darkness for Buffy. Faith represents a path for Buffy and whether she will follow it. I loved this episode! It sets up the rest of the season. And the whole Bangel thing does seem dubious. But I think it's the writers saying that Angel achieving true or perfect happiness is rare and, although could possibly happen again, it isn't likely because Angel will always have what will happen in the back of his mind so a certain level of distance when it comes to intimacy.

Jayna

Angel can still be turned back evil/lose his soul if he gets another true moment of happiness. I don't think you missed anything there. So yeah, Buffy is being reckless and being very much the teenager that she is. I think Faith showed her that she can have more control over her life in some very dangerous ways and Buffy started to embrace just letting go and doing whatever, feeling empowered and in a way it does seem to be empowering, but also a loss of control and not the best way to go about things. You could see Angel wasn't comfortable with how Buffy was being, but teenagers and hormones, not always going to make the best choices there. Buffy and Angel are playing on dangerous ground here, Buffy because of her age I think she can somewhat be forgiven, Angel not so much in my opinion. And yeah they were talking about Xander at the start, Faith was curious and seemed to believe Buffy and Xander had to have hooked up at some point and she has trouble buying it never happened since that's how Faith is. The classroom scene is strange, I guess we can assume the teacher couldn't do much, she couldn't physically stop a student from leaving, but I'm sure that kind of thing would get her detention or something, at least I'd assume so. Please take your time with reactions, family comes first, always, no question. No worries there. Life is unpredictable.

TheyCallMeJeff

The teacher mentioned something about the students being on the honor system as she was handing out the test booklets, a phrase often uttered by teachers i had who would need to leave the room for a few during a test so maybe that is why we do not see the teacher do anything, she isn't in the room at the time.

Anonymous

I’ve actually been wanting to say this to you for a while. You can just take a look at your room and obviously tell your a huge action fan. I respect that, but even though Buffy is a show that has a lot of action, it’s not necessarily in that genre. It’s more of a coming of age show with action themes. The villains of the week are usually used as metaphors or symbolism to more complex issues with the characters. But if you notice, whenever there’s an episode with complex themes going on with the actual characters the villains tend to suck. Because it’s not about them. This episode was about Buffy and Faith (and the Mayor). So I’d think about it that way whenever you see a shitty villain. It might help you get less annoyed. Also this season came around the same time as Blade did. Remember the fat vampire in Blade? Automatically think of that, whenever I see this dude. Maybe that was the reason for the choice. I don’t know why it was a shitty choice for blade also. Anyway, Great Reaction!

NaTasha Norris

I like the fat guy. He was not written to be a great villain, he was written to be a funny one off bad guy who is over the top in every way possible. The aesthetics are well done, the sight of him makes me gag- and when he dies declaring that Buffy will wish he had killed her ... I get chills. Solid stuff. Not every bad guy can be like Spike or Angel- gotta have those bottom tier villains too.

o

This is the problem with asking questions about Buffy the Vampire Slayer, one person gives the information and then everyone comes to add on and the lines between spoiler and answer are blurred. Be careful reading into the comments, your questions will be answered it is best not to ask us to help. This is not "Lost"

Christine

Love this episode. A few fun facts: # 1 - the fat demon in the jacuzzi is the actor who plays Abel Koontz on Veronica Mars. And #2 - the new watcher, Wesley, is Willow's real life husband. They met on the set of Buffy. They have two daughters.

Inseriousity
>>26161786

I did not know number 1 and that has just blown my mind hahahaha 🤯🤯

Anonymous

It makes sense that you're confused about Angel's curse and all that because the curse only makes sense if you don't think too much about it. Also we see that Willow used the same original curse that Jenny had translated at the end of season 2. So those original rules should apply. But where it gets confusing is thinking about if Angel died at the end of season 2. Many times the show refers to Buffy having killed him. Other times it refers to him being sent to a hell dimension. Did Angel die or did he get sucked into a hell dimension? If he did die how would that impact the curse? There's a lot of it that's unanswered still and some of it that will always be confusing because they didn't have it all planned out when they started the show.

Marshall Dante Robertson

So about Angel. For starters, the show has painted Angel and Angelus as two totally different people. Angel isn't or shouldn't be held accountable for what Angelus does because Angelus doesn't have a soul. So when Willow did her spell at the end of season 2, it restored his soul so he still has a conscience. Now, the whole "one moment of true happiness" to me, has always meant one thing: orgasm. Sex with the person he loves the most, Buffy, causes him to lose his soul. So as long as they abstain from doing the do, they will be okay. Now of course it's still reckless to be in a relationship like that, where you have to continuously walk that fine line, but we all know that love makes us do the wacky, especially as a teenager. But I never once felt angry or annoyed with how Buffy is acting because it's a very relatable thing. The supernatural aspects of it just magnifies it and dramatizes it.

Rachael

Great reaction to a great episode. I’ll give you my interpretation (and the writer’s answer) to some of your questions: 1. Why is Faith talking to Buffy about Xander? Faith is trying to connect with Buffy, and the way she does it is by talking about men. First it was her own experiences with “losers,” and she tried to get Buffy to open up about Angel, which Buffy told her was off-limits. Now she tries with Xander — maybe that’s something they can connect over. Buffy and Faith have nothing in common except Slaying, so that’s how Faith tries to connect, and because Buffy is rife for rebelling, especially after “Helpless,” it works for a while. 2. “Where is the teacher?” Others have answered about honor system tests, and Doug Petrie, the writer of this episode, based this particular thing on a girl in his high school who cut classes. 3. “Will Angel never truly be happy now that he knows [about the curse]?”

 That’s an excellent question. Now that Angel knows he can never relax to the point where his soul does not torment him, would he lose his soul if he gets involved romantically with Buffy? Yes, he does give her a (chaste) kiss, but he immediately stops her sexual greeting at The Bronze. What is the line they cannot cross? 4. The police breakout was extreme (and very bad but the whole night is an escalation of reckless violence), but I think they needed to do it that way because they needed to get the handcuff key. 5. Why was Allan there? Great question. Earlier in the episode, Allan looked uncomfortable in the Mayor’s office, and he clearly does not fit with the Mayor and Mr. Trick. “I like Kathy.” 6. “Why did Faith come back? What is Faith doing [with Allan]? Is she trying to pick his wallet?”

 My reading of it is that Faith touches the blood because Faith has been treating slaying as a fun power trip that reinforces her sense of worth and purpose, but she’s used to killing vampires, who turn to dust as if they never existed. Here, she killed a human being with real blood. Reality crashes down on her, so she tries to bury it in an attempt to deny and forget. Faith felt guilty for her first Watcher dying. Then Gwendolyn Post fooled her, used her, and called her an idiot. I think Faith feels inferior and can’t handle another failure, especially with this new Watcher, and is terrified of facing consequences she’s imagining.

 7. You commented on Buffy’s Jackie O outfit at the end when Faith is having her Lady Macbeth moment. 

Buffy starts and ends the episode dressed in her demure girly girl outfits to contrast with Faith, her shadow self. I appreciate the touch of Faith’s makeshift training dummy in her seedy motel room, but it still makes me angry to this day that Giles never helped her financially or in any way, really. It was necessary for plot reasons to maintain Faith’s outsider status, but it reflects poorly on Giles. 

 8. I didn’t like Balthazar either. To me, he seemed inspired by Jabba the Hutt, but Petrie said that he was inspired by Frank Miller’s version of Kingpin (Fun fact: Petrie went on to be Daredevil’s showrunner in its second season.), but the art department went overboard in creating the demon suit.

Rachael
>>26150866

The only thing I like about Balthazar is that he provides more opportunity for Giles to grow as a contrast to Wesley. Wesley acts as a shadow self to Giles like Faith to Buffy. Already, Giles is sitting on the table (something he would never allow the kids to do) in his rolled up shirtsleeves (no tweed!) and giving Wesley sarcastic nicknames like Captain Courageous. Giles is rebelling like Buffy, but in his own quiet way.

Vicky N

Love this episode. Buffy rebellion is understandable after what she went through recently in “helpless “ and the arrival of the new watcher is certainly a trigger, it easy to succumb to Faith influence. I love how her evolution during this episode is reflected in her choice of clothing. It’s a conscious decision from the show since the appearance of Faith in episode 3, but it is striking in this episode because you have the momentary change and the reverse. It’s not spoilery to say that it will be interesting to see if it’s continue for the rest of the season.

Vicky N
>>26189847

I also like the parallel rebellion of Giles against everything that Wesley, the new watcher, represent.

Anonymous

I always thought this episode seemed a bit rushed, and would have liked to see this story fleshed out a bit more. 4 Eps ago was "Amends", 2 Episodes ago, buffy was "helpless," and betrayed - at least by her perspective - by Giles & the watchers council. Last episode she dealt, presumably, with an horrific and emotionally draining apocalypse. This episode a new watcher comes into her life …. it definitely makes sense for her character to find some "comfort" in the philosophy of Faith, but this never feels properly developed emotionally in the show, unless you stop to think about what they maybe haven't shown on screen over the last couple eps. Buffy & Angel - still annoyingly blasé about their relationship, but an slayer-isolated teenage girl madly, deeply in love with a guy who knows, and is almost on equal footing with her slayerness and who returns her affections? Thinking they can handle it. It makes sense from a story perspective however frustrating.

Rachael
>>26191741

I think the theme of rebellion was introduced in “Anne,” with Buffy trying to cope with her trauma and hiding in her Anne persona, but Buffy’s gonna Buffy so she embraces her Slayer identity and incites a revolt in a hell dimension. Once Buffy returns home, she is under all this pressure to please everyone and be normal and be the good girl who doesn’t cause trouble and who is a good friend, even though her friends aren’t always great to her. I agree that the story development for this episode feels a bit spotty, but before “Helpless" there was "Gingerbread," which had Buffy's mother betraying her and almost burning her at the stake. Granted, Joyce was under a spell, but it probably was not a coincidence that all of Buffy parental figures (Hank stood her up for her birthday) have disappointed Buffy recently, in addition to the Watchers Council being awful — not just to Buffy but also to Giles and Faith. S3 has seen Buffy return for her senior year, which is often viewed as the easiest year for many seniors and a time for rebellion — partying, skipping classes, having a fling before leaving for college, etc. But for Buffy, her senior year makes Buffy: 1. Get back into school and pass all her makeup tests on top of her current homework. 2. Deal with a new Slayer who, from Buffy’s perspective, at first seems like she’s trying to Single White Female Buffy. Luckily, Buffy gets over that quickly, but the Faith and Buffy relationship seems spotty, possibly due to Eliza Dushku’s original contract that had her appearing in only five episodes. 3. Rebuild her relationships after leaving town in “Becoming, Pt.2,” and then again after hiding Angel. 4. Try to be a "normal girl” dating normal guys only to have Scott Hope immediately dump her. Then she misses out on yearbook pictures, loses Homecoming Queen, feels like she is invisible in school (her favorite teacher didn’t even remember her), and thinks that she has no future outside of being the Slayer (compounded by Willow getting early admission to prestigious schools in this episode). Willow and Xander were cheating and hid that from Buffy, which Buffy understood because the stakes are different from hiding Angel, but personally I wished she’d called out Xander for his hypocrisy and bad behavior in “Revelations.” (I’ve tried to erase “Dead Man’s Party” from my brain, and let’s not even get into Xander’s lie that has never been addressed.) 5. I’m extremely reluctant to say this is the strongest factor, but Buffy’s relationship with Angel is confusing, frustrating, and rife with unresolvable sexual tension, which would be frustrating for most hormonal teenagers, but it’s extra frustrating for Buffy because of Big Epic Forbidden Love. So I do think this is a big factor, but ultimately, I think it’s the cumulative effect of everything.

Grace

Buffy and Angel have to have intimacy for him to lose his soul. That's what changed him. The passion of that moment is what turns him. So Buffy and Angel just aren't doing that. :) Great episode!!

Holi117

I love this episode. I always wanted to be the third slayer partying with them lol. So you said how its not explained why buffy starts acting this way, but the entire arc so far from s1 to now has built to this... the death, almost dying, losing kendra, the betrayals and disconnects, trying to be multiple people (slayer, student, daughter, friend, etc), and here is faith, in charge of herself and having fun and kicking ass, and buffy seems to have wanted a taste of that freedom... until reality kicks in woth the cops and the accidental death of the human guy (alan, the mayors guy). She sees how dangerous living and behaving that way can be, and regresses (out of the street clothes into the meek, prim outfit in the last scene). As for Angel and the curse, Willow recursed him at the end of s2. One moment of pure, true happiness will cause him to lose his soul. Last time it happened was with buffy after thinking they were parting for months, her wearing his ring, them both almost dying, them telling each other ‘i love you’ and sleeping together for the first time, falling asleep in each others arms. That moment of loving, peaceful bliss (and probably the relaxation of getting some after a VERY long time), was his moment of happiness. They know they cant risk being that intimate again, so they are not doing that... problematic, no doubt. I think Faith does care about what happened but is blocking it/ pretending she doesnt. Trust is hard for her, emotions are hard. I think you missed a few small clues the demon gave in this episode. I found him gross and there were a few funny moments with giles and wesley. I definitely caught onto the clues on later rewatches. You gotta try to stop being so annoyed with the bad guys lol! Try tojust be amused, and look more at the situations the bad guys draw the main characters into. Its never really about the bad guys, but what happens and is revealed about characters in the process. Your not the only reactor who gets mad at the demons being useless or too easy to kill. But buffy is the slayer, and if she lost against everyone, it would be a pointless show and pointless bit of lore lol. STILL I really enjoy your buffy reactions and different perspectives 😁

Holi117
>>26164618

To me its pretty obvious he didnt die. He was sent to hell, and was likely there for at least a hundred years his time, 3-5months buffy’s time. However in the moment he was sent to hell, it was as if she killed him. She stabbed him, he went to hell, and there was no hope or thought that he could or would ever return. She felt like she had killed him. But he was alive (as alive as a vampire can be), just in another dimension. He would have been tortured there, despite being a demon, because of his soul, etc, and thats why initially he returns somewhat feral and confused.

Anonymous
>>26156499

Yeah, I didn't get why he thought he was dumb. His squishy sounds and his overall performance were hilarious. I loved it!

Anonymous

Not trying to be mean, but just a suggestion. When you look at your phone could you pause the video? I feel like you're missing a lot or uninterested.

Katherine Thoreson

Fun fact: In the blooper reel for this season, there is a moment with Balthazar where a trap door for the "tub" he's in accidentally pops open and you can see the actors actual skinny legs underneath. :D I always think about that when I watch this episode.

Daniel R

I liked this episode a lot because of Faith and her kinda seducing Buffy to the dark side of the Slayer job which I always found interesting. I laughed so hard when you had to pause the episode to groan about the Buffy/Angel stuff lol and I forgot about Wesley being in this episode :) he definitely grows on you

Hazel Angus
>>26178336

"...it still makes me angry to this day that Giles never helped her financially or in any way, really." Yep. If Giles didn't, Wesley should have. I appreciate that Wesley was new to this job and it's not like Faith gave him a chance. But at least one of the Watchers should have been looking out for Faith. Though of course, having said that, if the Watchers Council is the overly-controlling, patriarchal system that others have said it is (in the comments for "Helpless"), perhaps they don't want to help the Slayers.

Hazel Angus

That demon is so disgusting. Also not very scary when he waves his short little arms around when he has a tantrum. And what's with the basting? He's like a less-attractive version of Jabba the Hutt, who actually doesn't look so bad by comparison.