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MM15 - Save Your Servants!: Barker, Blatty & Writers In Hell (Patreon)

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2023-10-25 11:00:05
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2023-10

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Brendan James returns to take on two triumphant works from writers-turned-directors: Clive Barker’s “Hellraiser” (1987) and William Peter Blatty’s “The Exorcist III” (1990). Both films feature visions of Hell’s intrusion onto earth; two competing and complementary visions of evil, one from a gay British man and the second from a devout American Catholic. Will, Hesse and Brendan go deep on these films, highlighting in Hellraiser some of the most ghoulish practical effects ever put to screen, and in Exorcist III dissecting one of the most infamous jump-scares in film history.

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Colin C.

They mentioned Paddy Chayefsky during the ep which reminded me of 'Altered States', another movie they should totally watch for this podcast.

Anonymous

Excellent discussion! Two of my favorite movies.

Anonymous

Brendan absolutely killing the George C. Scott and William Friedkin impressions.

Anonymous

Another Georgetown Basketball cameo, you see legendary head coach John Thompson walking down the street with some players during the the exterior shot outside the restaurant where Father Dyer and Det. Kinderman are on their date.

Joshua Garcia

Both films have been sampled by a number of industrial music acts

ryan williams

Exorcist 3 and Blattys work in general just drove me to a new low. When i watched E3 for the first time and listened to the story of the black boys murder, even moreso then how Jeffery Dahmer fasioned himself in the image of this movie, it put a really profound idea in my head. Most of the extreme 'pure evil' acts described in this film, or even nowadays cooked up by the subsequent satanic panic, are things i could not have though up of. Cause i dont want to sit there and try and figure out what is the most horrible inhuman thing someone could do.... but THESE christians, catholics, and devout religious people who claim they are trying to destroy the evil... THEY do and they imagine this stuff and bring it about into our consious. To them they believe that there must be a pure evil running counter to their pure goodness, their world of angels and deities. So they MUST themselves create, or you could say 'summon', these abbhorent demonic evils in order to make their God true, in order to justify Gods existence. They do write out and imagine out the most vile things that i would never want to think about because they have to make this capital Evil demonic power exist in order to call forth their god to destroy it. And that is what i was left with after seeing Exorcist 3... and it actually worked! It inspired Dahmer to his killings. The original Exorcist brought back this archaic medieval totally false idea of demon possession back into the modern world and people once again believe in it more than ever in the era of Qanon. The satanic panic came just shortly after the shock of the Exorcist film and i feel it must have contributed. The Exorcist films are fantastic horror films... but i have to ask why did a devout follower of god brainstorm up these horrific things? And there is that implication that they actually think these very things are real! They are great films but i kind of hate them the more i think about it.

Anonymous

Total baby-brained observation incoming but: Christopher Young's music helped make the scene in Hellraiser where Frank pull his body back together so memorable. Whether by coincidence or intention, the scene in Spider-Man 3 where Sandman rebuilds himself owes a lot to the Hellraiser scene, first and foremost because it is also scored by Christopher Young.

Jordan Hunnicutt

I’m in the middle of Exorcist III, and I had to pause it and thank you for calling this movie I would have probably never given the attention to had you not highlighted it. This film is so freaking good, it should be taught in a film class. Just so much atmosphere, you cut it with a knife. Shots framed to perfection. Actors that fully embody their character to an insane level. Dialogue that sizzles like steak on a frying pan. A script with not a single ounce of fat on it. Heart-griping suspense. The bleakest of worldviews. Deep, staggering existential horror. This film has 👏 it 👏 all 👏 Oh, I haven’t listened to your commentary of it yet. Edits: so many edits. But also, Exorcist III is the superior Exorcist for many reasons, but also because it’s ACAB.

enter_krzysz

Spooky silence at the very end of the episode

Michael S. Judge

In terms of the nature of evil, I think Blatty played sort of a Kennedy-like limit-case role in his conception of American plague. He clearly loved that Georgetown/Catholic/functionary-end-of-the-CIA social set and often reverted to it, & he believed sincerely in a version of both Catholicism and America, but it was also clear to him that something had gone horrifically wrong and that the USA had become a plague vector. It's easy to miss in THE NINTH CONFIGURATION, because you get so wrapped up in the Col. Kane storyline, but that is explicitly a movie about the Vietnam War shredding American souls – and specifically the souls of military men, who thought they could handle it – so badly that only a Crucifixion/Resurrection sequence of Mystery Play miracles could save even a single person. And I think it was very deliberate that nearly everyone in that movie is either a non-com or a full officer: these aren't conscripts fresh out of boot camp and into Khe Sanh, these are professional killers who have now seen something far worse than the depravity, murder, and degradation that are just "the US doing its business." If I recall right, Killer Kane fought in the Korean War as well, but it was running Special Forces missions in Vietnam that turned him into a Demogorgon. Whether or not that's a defensible view of American history (and it isn't), still, the post-CIA Blatty had clearly acquired a sense that he, and all Americans being exposed to the grim meathook realities of American truth after the mid ’60s, were being not just haunted but hunted by something very old and very deep inside America itself, perhaps not exclusively American in origin, but certainly resident there since the Vietnam War began. That's why I think of JFK, his late-in-life conviction that America was a worthwhile project but not a casus belli for the extinction of every other form of social organization, and that the project had gone very fucking wrong by the time he had the chance to watch it up close. Add in the Catholicism, and it's easy for me to see both of Blatty's movies as deeply haunted postmortem dreams of the "friendly competition"/America-among-others principle that died in our politics when JFK's skull burst open. (Which is not to offer an uncritical defense of either Kennedy or Blatty on political grounds, jesus no, but is to say that there was a time when people well acquainted with the real corridors of power could still think that way, that time is gone, and we're probably never getting it back.)

Hardcore Virgin

Hesses description of the kirsty hospital room scene is spot on