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599 - The Inebriated Past 11 - Mormons, pt. 2: Polygamy Without the ‘Polyg’ (2/3/22) (Patreon)

Published:
2022-02-04 02:42:48
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2022-02-04 03:04:06
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2022-05

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Continuing from episode 557 - Mormons, pt. 1, Matt guides us through the history of the Mormons after the death of Joseph Smith. We continue to track how the development of Mormonism reflects and refracts the development of American capitalism.

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Camden

Had a Mormon friend in high school who got kicked off his mission because he just surfed on all day instead of doing church stuff

Ascetic Blur

Hey boys. I'll be at the March 22nd show in Houston. Hit me up if you need supplies.

Adam

this is brilliant great work

Amter plain

“A man has no right with property, which, according to the laws of the land, legally belongs to him, if he does not want to use it... The man who lays up his gold and silver, who caches it away in a bank, or in his iron safe, or buries it up in the earth... would tie up the hands of every individual... and make them his servants if he could… Money is not real capital, it bears the title only. True capital is labor, and is confined to the laboring classes… I counsel you to put it into the hands of men who have nothing… Distribute your property… to the laboring community.” -Brigham Young From "Journal of Discourses," Volume 1, Discourse 37

Scott Willis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g47ksgzo-nU

Peter T.

everybody seemed to know the power of the language of redistribution back in the day. Nowadays there are hardly even demagogues who'll use it... !

Anonymous

Matt’s ascription of a coherent ideology to eg Fox News hosts and far-right fuckies is IMO too complex: these guys do not have any coherent worldview other than “pretend Jesus and capitalist, but serve only $$.”

Daniel Schmidt

Been waiting listlessly for this to drop

Anonymous

I adore Matt's inebriated past episodes, but my man knows almost nothing when it comes to religion qua religion

IHaveHemorrhoids

We need one with Matt being hammered loudly just listing off the greatest hits of socialism

Anonymous

I'd hammer Matt loudly, if you know what I'm sayin'

myxomop

I've got a Charlotte ticket to sell. Inquire within.

Vincent Utah
>>77322602

Meanwhile Young was living in a plantation-styled mansion in downtown SLC (which you can now reserve dinner parties at) fondling teenaged girls, and having “consecrated” olive oil shoved up his ass to try and cure his bowl problems that eventually killed him. Not to mention literally all of the nasty shit he had to say about black people, including how “mixing with the seed of Cain” was worthy of a death sentence.

Amter plain
>>77322602

Like it or not, Mormonism is now a world religion and will not be disappearing anytime soon because leftists rightfully criticized aspects of it on the internet. That being the reality we live in, we can either work to organize those who remain in the faith and view Brigham Young favorably, or not. I'm on the side of organizing them, just as I am on the side of organizing Catholics, Evangelicals, Muslims, Buddhists, adherents to Indigenous faith traditions, New Agers, Wiccans, Satanists, or any other branch of humanity that is capable of organizing for the liberation of the working class. When it comes to Mormonism, one organizing tool is to emphasize the correct principles expressed by revered figures in Mormonism whose statements carry the weight of prophets in the minds, hearts and collective consciousness of adherents to the religion, while denouncing those same figures' embrace and promotion of incorrect principles which modern Mormons can accept as contradicting their avowed beliefs and values today. I'm on the Left, so I'm used to doing the same with our own complex figures, from Bakunin and Marx, Kautsky and Engels, Lenin and Trotsky, Che and Castro, Mao and Minh, etc. The leap from doing that for leftist figures who've shaped modern socialist thought and practice to doing it for Mormon figures who shaped Mormon thought and practice isn't very big for me, so I have no qualms with it. I can rant and rave about Brigham Young and focus on the negative, or I can focus on having a positive influence on my friends and family who remain committed to Mormonism and the Mormon community and leave it to others to convince a whole segment of our society that their revered faith leaders and ancestors are evil incarnate. Speaking from personal experience, one is effective, one isn't.

Anonymous
>>77399330

The tenets and outputs of a religion are more important than the theological justifications therein