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Kat's favorite.... More Admirals to not trust!


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Jon Hoover

Been waiting a while for Kat's reaction to this one. This ranks as one of my top TNG episodes of all time. So good, and we have another top 10 episode coming up in a couple of episodes too. That one is going to be a great reaction!

Bruce Bromley

I'm still coming off the high that was the final season of Picard. It's a must for any fan of TNG. Paula and Kat, you'd both love it. Whenever an admiral shows up, something shady is going down. Recently I've heard them referred to as 'Badmirals'. That is why they are my favorites episodes.

Firefly24601

Ha, I forgot about the verbal repartee between Picard and the Romulan!

Stephen Kronfeld

Bucking Admirals is a long tradition for Enterprise captains.

Anonymous

You want a spicy Ensign Gates spinoff, I kinda just want more Captain Picard Day... The way he plays Picard's moment of regret after the admiral hangs up on him gets me every time.

Joe Concepts

Wow, just looked up Gates. She appears, sometimes as just a background extra, in 46 episodes!

Joe Concepts

So, did Troi disappear from this episode, just because she'd be the only one who may really get Riker to admit what happened? And him lying to her would be a whole separate issue they'd have to get into.

Anonymous

I don't know if this is true or not, but I think there may have been plans at some point for Riker to get demoted to Lieutenant Commander as a result of this episode. The action figures of the TNG cast released for Star Trek Generations, which was in pre-production at this point in the season and started principal photography immediately after TNG wrapped, were somewhat infamously based on a uniform design that was only briefly used during shooting. The Riker figure's cardback erroneously refers to him as a Lieutenant Commander, even though his rank pips are for full Commander, and he is still a Commander in the film (that's not a spoiler, as it has absolutely bearing on the plot). In my multiverse head-canon (reinforced by Parallels, of course), I like to think that in the reality where they used these uniforms in Generations, Riker was demoted and lost later opportunities for his own command. 😁 The Generations action figure line is such an interesting relic of that era; in the height of Trek production up to that point (TNG's final season, DS9's second season, Generations, and production of Voyager's first season all happened in 1994), I suppose some quality control issues were bound to slip through the cracks. BTW, great episode; one of my favorites.

Joe Concepts

Without any spoilers, there's an episode of TOS that sort of brings up the cloaking device, and contributes to the need for some explanation about Starfleet using it. In fact, it's shockingly one of only TWO Romulan apparances in TOS. The Gals have already watched the first one.

Keith Goodnight

It's always bothered me that Picard makes a really poor decision at the end of this episode. The illegal cloaking device seems to have been a rogue operation by the Admiral and some small number of others; but the Romulans aren't going to believe that. They're going to exploit "The Federation violated the treaty!" to the hilt. Which means that by decloaking in front of the Romulan ship, Picard transformed an internal criminal matter into an international incident with grave implications for the peace of the entire quadrant. The D&D term "lawful stupid" comes to mind.

Anonymous

To quote Maz Kanata: "a good question, for another time..."

MARK F JENKINS

Since it doesn't look like you'll be reacting to DS9, it's not a spoiler to say that there's finally a recurring admiral in there who is not a power-hungry lunatic. It was refreshing. XD

Chris Lane- Venturi 3D

I wonder what year Starfleet officially went to the TNG style uniforms vs. the old style still saw in Yesterday's Enterprise/TOS movies. The other possibility is that maybe not all starships got new uniform styles all at once if they're at a starbase (or do they replicate clothes themselves?)

Mark Chrisco

Making my plea you react to Picard Season 3 after watching the two TNG movies you plan to watch. Some things might be unfamiliar since you would be skipping so much story material, but, I'm sure you could pick up all you need to know to understand this wonderful coda to TNG.

Adam Brown

That would actually explain the uniform discrepancies in Lower Decks, if we consider it canon.

Thontor

There's a great recurring admiral character in Discovery starting in season 3

Anonymous

Picard season 3....--<-<(@ as rose for season 3 a season of <3 love.

Anonymous

Since u wont be watching DS9 I guess its ok to mention that there will be ONE ship with a installed Romulan cloacking device on loan from the Romulan Star Empire. A Romulan officer will be posted to that ship for a short time.

Brendon Waldron

I'm gonna throw my hat in the ring and say DON'T watch Picard season 3. The same people saying that are probably the same ones who voted for Space Seed in the TOS poll, completists who don't understand what you're doing here. If you're only going to watch up until First Contact and not watch the other films and shows, there's no point jumping back in on something as "remember when?" as Picard season 3...

Anonymous

Kat. Re watching Picard. I know some have suggested skipping seasons 1 & 2 and just starting season 3. There is a reason for that, yes. Just like it could have been suggested for ST:TNG as well. Think back how inferior seasons 1 & 2 were compared to now. And also think on what you would have missed out on... like Tasha Yar, Data being recognized as being sentient, seeing how Georgie sees through his visor, and other character-building episodes. IF you decide to react to Picard, I personally suggest watching it form the beginning, warts and all.

Ben Chan

Since ppl are talking about "Picard"... No spoilers, I would suggest watching S1 and 2 on your own because it's important for the story and crucial for some characters (and I also think they're pretty good! I avoided the talk until now, but I guess there's unsurprising online hate) ... then do video reactions to PS3 - I for one LOVED all the fan-service stuff, but it was mostly done in service to a great story! (and the billion easter eggs peppered throughout don't get in the way of the story)

Ben Chan

I agree that you can't just start at S3. There are several key developments there - not just to Picard that feed into the main storyline, but to the other characters in S1 and S2 who appear in S3.

Brett Delbridge

Would suggest watching 14 years of DS9 and voyager before Picard of there will be heaps of characters, references and situations you haven’t seems before

FalcorDragon

I don't get the hate of the first two seasons... I thoroughly enjoyed them and the ending on the second season had more than it's share fo tears :)

Nolan

I tend to cut some of the badmirals some slack in that their job is mired in the big picture, "the greater good" and strategizing, to the point they lose sight of the more humanized aspects of their decisions. They all are doing these things that they think is right, even if they ultimately are wrong. This is why I like admiral Neyachev, despite being so curt and abrasive, is because she has an admiral's personality, but her morals aren't as degraded, even if she's not always right. Also, how interesting how Starfleet was developing a phasing cloak, meanwhile 2 years ago, the Romulan's attempt to develop the same thing that results in Geordie and Ro getting to experience a more ethereal experience.

Brendon Waldron

And S1 builds on top of a movie they dont plan to watch. It's all connected. I'm cool with their decision to stop after First Contact, but it does make it hard to jump in again later along the line...

Nolan

Heck, I DID erroniously vote for Space Seed when I thought they might check out the movies, and I too don't think they should watch Picard. Nevermind all the shallow fanservice stuff does NOTHING to counter the way this new Era of Star Trek handles character dymamics, dialogue, plot, narrative and interpersonal interaction if a FUNDAMENTALLY different, and dare I say, more pedestrian way that does little to make it stand out from TV typical of this era, a trend that DOES INDEED continue through season 3 (i.e, it still has all the flaws of the previous modern entries, just dressed up in cosplay of a 90s series) but, it also requires extensive knowledge of two of the three series that followed immediately after TNG. One of the main characters is a character from one of those shows, and there's a whole arc where knowledge and context from DS9 is required too. For them to watch Picard S3 is to commit to another 14 seasons of Star Trek prior to it. People are getting far too swept up in the emotions the just past season manipulated them into to think clearly and logically about just what it is they are suggesting the Gals commit to.

Anonymous

The treaty explanation still doesn’t make much sense though. Why would a powerful entity like the Federation agree to say that the Romulans can have a cloaking device but the Federation can’t.

dhollanda

It is sad that it was never canonised what the Federation got in return. Expect for a peace with was more beneficial to the Federation than to the Romulans.

Matthew Zeidman

Kat, anyone who would quit watching because of your political beliefs isn’t someone who gets Trek. Trek has always been about envisioning a near-ideal human future where scarcity, violence, bigotry, oppression and any other form of suffering on Earth have been eliminated and people have the ultimate freedom to choose how to live. The old joke is that Trek is “space communism.” Despite this, there’s a small, yet dedicated contingent of right-wing Trek fans who appear to gravitate toward the franchise for no apparent reason other than it’s a cool show with space lasers and weird-looking aliens. If anyone was that offended by what you said that they would stop watching or supporting GG, good riddance.

Mark Ten

Actually, I dont think an Admiral can dismiss a Captain and take command himself. An Admiral and his staff are always outside the command structure of the ship he or she is on. He could dismiss a Captain, but command would fall to the First Officer. If the First Officer refuses, then the same would happen, but whoever is 3rd would be in command. Also, when the Admiral began giving orders directly to the crew, I believe thats also a violation. There can only be one captain on a ship and an Admiral, even on the flagship of the fleet, is always a passenger. If he wants to give orders, he asks the Captain to pass his wishes on.

Anonymous

This was a great episode. Great to relive watching it for the first time with you guys

Anonymous

Yeah I highly recommend reacting to season 3 of Picard it’s not bad

Anonymous

Too bad they couldn’t separate the ship. The saucer with Picard in command could’ve entered the asteroid, while Data, commanding the battle section, could stand guard.