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The Edge of Destruction, Gallifrey Gals Get Wibbly Wobbly, Classic! (Patreon)

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2023-04-27 17:00:02
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2023-05

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Kat and Paula REALLY have no idea this time on what's going on. That's not stopping them from trying to figure it out!!


https://vimeo.com/817418189/eccd554dfc


PAULA DEMING

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Comments

Keith Goodnight

As generations of fans used to never tire of pointing out, Dr Who was never technically a "children's program" although it was most often seen that way. It was produced by the BBC Drama department, not the children's department (the BBC did have a dedicated department for children's shows) and its original mandate from Sydney Newman was to appeal to all audiences. How to be intense/dramatic enough to grip the adult viewers while also not overwhelming the kids was a difficult balancing act that the show struggled with in its early years. A few episodes ago I posted a comment quoting Verity Lambert, who told an interviewer years later that they weren't trying to cross any lines, they just didn't know where the lines were yet. On those cliffhangers: oh boy, yes! The cliffhangers were such a dominant part of Classic Who that when it was announced the new series would be mostly standalone 45 minute episodes, a lot of UK fans said "That will never succeed, you can't have Dr Who without the cliffhangers." American fans (like me) had a different perspective, because PBS stations in the early 80s (when I became a fan) often showed the Classic stories edited together into whole-story "movie" format. So we were already used to a cliffhanger-less Dr Who and knew the show worked just fine that way. But once the home video releases started showing us the episodes as originally formatted, we caught on to how great the serial/cliffhanger format was. On this episode: some schedule change at the BBC required the show to add 2 episodes to its season, without giving them any extra budget, so script editor David Whitaker quickly wrote a 2-episode story taking place entirely inside the TARDIS (the show's only standing set) and featuring no guest stars. Pretty much the same reason as Star Trek's "bottle episodes." Final note: the characters were scared by the clocks because they weren't just broken, the numbers on the clock face and on Ian's watch were melted, an uncanny image that unfortunately doesn't fully come across in the low resolution video of the time.

Nicole Mazza

Oooh, this is one of my fave Doctor Who stories! Definitely a great mind f*ck! Glad you guys were all caught up in it, too! For what's basically a filler/bottle episode, I think it's soooo good. <3

Mark Ten

I think this is an extra serial shoehorned in to the first season after preproduction, they also needed to save the budget from overuns so the entire story is set in the existing Tardis set. You may notice that some of the roundals on the walls are painted on canvas and tend to wobble a bit (esp near the floor) when the actors walk by. I havent seen this serial in many years and didnt remember it fondly, but it is actually very good - thanks for making me rewatch!

Nicole Mazza
>>107292545

Yeah, I grew up with the 'omnibus' versions of the serials on PBS as well, so like you said, it wasn't until later with the home video releases that I could really get a great feel for the original cliffhangers (and it's effect on pacing and such). (And even now, I only usually watch the special edition of my fave Seventh Doctor story -- because it was re-edited for better flow than the broadcast version -- and I often forget how good the cliffhangers were for that too. In fact, I rewatched the broadcast version for the first time in years for a recent podcast ep I guested on, so that I was watching the same version they were, and even though I prefer the special edition, it was cool remembering those great cliffhangers again)

Mark Ten

I think this might be the story where buttons on the console were labelled with tape & ink for rehearsals and someone forgot to remove them during actual production - could be wrong.

Josef Schiltz
>>107294780

My own explanation for the labelling has always been - as Susan remarked - that her grandfather is always "so forgetful" and it was he that placed labels on the TARDIS console. in the very first episode he was having difficulties remembering which controls were which. "Ah yes - That is it!" So it really doesn't actually matter that we see labels. In universe, it all works.

Josef Schiltz

The first three serials are in the box set called 'The Beginning'. I haven't seen these in a very long time, but the scenes are strikingly memorable. Of course all three stories are key ones and thankfully we still have them. So much was established. My goodness, Carole played psycho well! What we have to remember, which is something that many have erred in saying over the years, is that Doctor Who was produced as a family show, not strictly focused as a children's show. Actually, I don't honestly believe that anybody has really been able to accurately possess what the show is! It's certainly placed within Surrealism where it stands in defiance of being - as McGoohan might say - "filed, categorized, briefed, debriefed or numbered!", but fits well into the rebellious nature of it's time. It's in a juxtaposition of it's own, in it's universe of space and time, looking at everyone and everything else with a unique eye.

Josef Schiltz
>>107292545

Very Daliesque with the melting clocks and presumably purposefully so. I'm sure David Whitaker was calling into mind 'The Persistence of Memory'. And, of course, that is exactly what our friends were having problems with!

tal goren

if we are talking about NuWho similarities, all the paranoia about something coming from the outside and possessing people, gave me really strong "midnight" vibes.

Nicole Mazza
>>107294780

Josef -- In my head canon (fanon), I always like to think that the post-it-style notes all over the console (mostly in the RTD era) are the updated version of that. The Doctor just gets forgetful sometimes about how to fly the TARDIS (and honestly probably slept through the piloting classes for TARDISes in the academy as well, tbf).

Anonymous

One of the reasons I love the two-parters in "modern Who" is those stories feel most like the classic series to me. Both because of the cliffhangers, but because they have greater story complexity. The classic series typically would split characters up and cut between several narrative threads much more than the modern series, and had time to develop the guest characters and have some intrigue and twists. Modern stand-alone stories have to introduce the Doctor and company into a situation, establish what's going on, have a story turn or a reveal, followed by the Doctor doing something clever to resolve the situation and you're done! I grew up with the local PBS station playing the individual serial episodes Monday-Friday evenings, so I got the cliffhanger experience but didn't have to wait an entire week for the next episode. You can imagine how important it was to get home from school on time and not miss an installment!

Josef Schiltz
>>107294780

One can imagine Hartnell's Doctor doing just that and when being challenged on a particular aspect would respond with "Hm? Oh . . Well, yes! Oh my dear boy, that!" You can see, within him, similarities with Jamie for whenever the Second Doctor will explain something and Jamie responds with "Oh aye, that!"

Josef Schiltz

The insistence over the decades of categorizing Doctor Who as "a children's programme" is a prime example of the human form of reductive profiling. Reductive profiling has been around since the year dot as it is a survival technique built into animal life in order to avoid being someone else's lunch. The most often used example of this is that if something looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks, then it's a duck! - or if it sounds like a lion and looks like a lion . . etc. There are many markers within Doctor Who that people use to profile the programme as one for children. Those of us that have watched for over half-a-century have had plentiful opportunity to observe these and that they are at surface level and when these elements - which have been firmly entrenched in the viewer's minds with being for children - or, at least, childish/childlike to people's observation are juxtaposed with horror elements - such as Susan with the scissors in this episode - the controversy ramps up. You can almost hear the collective round of gasps. Many letters of complaint were written about horror in "a children's programme" and who could forget Mary Whitehouse? The production team would fervently hope that MW would make her rounds with her league of decency in the hopes that the ratings would go up just to see what she was making a fuss about. I'm pretty sure that questions were asked much higher up than the BBC about some violent scenes that took place. Memory denies me the facts as to whether it was part of a general enquiry into violent content on television as a whole or if it singled out Doctor Who.

Mark Ten
>>107294780

I like your explanation better. Later canon establishes that the Doctor really didnt learn how to fly the Tardis accurately until the 4th Doctor's time w/Romana. Verity Lambert was asked about the label years later and she said that they marked the buttons during rehearsals so Hartnell could find them and believed it may have been left as an oversight.

Josef Schiltz
>>107294780

That's a nice little accident. It plays into some of the notable ineptitudes that the Doctor has and brings out the characters and interrelationship of both the Doctor and his TARDIS. If the Doctor can't quite get it right, then the TARDIS gives everything a little shunt. A cosmic make-weight - so to speak! Her wayward character provides a nice little imperfectitude. When she finally got her say in The Doctor's Wife, she was perfectly realized as being an imperfect vintage TARDIS, the repair shop had beckoned, but she fancied her escape. I suspected for years that there is a built-in limiter within each TARDIS so that they don't run amuck and might be the 'steering system' fault mentioned and she was proving a bit ungovernable. She had seen the cosmic map outside of her techie's programming and thought "I LIKE the look of THAT!" and set about trying to find a Time Lord who was just as rebellious as she.