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Important Announcement!!! Please Read! (Patreon)

Published:
2023-03-20 20:05:26
Imported:
2023-03

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Hello Everyone!

We have some unfortunate news to share. Patreon’s Trust & Safety Team sent us a notice last night that VIZ Media LLC and Aniplex of America Inc have claimed copyright infringement regarding materials associated with our account. We don’t seem to have many options at this time, and will likely be forced to delete a large number of posts from our Patreon page by March 23, otherwise our page may also be temporarily suspended. Before this due date, we are doing everything we can to avoid that. We are hoping to extend our deadline or submit a counter notice to this DMCA.

We also heard that we are not the only ones targeted by the same DCMA claim, and learned more information from creators we’re friends with. It appears that this claim is a bot generated mess that reported every post we made on this page that includes names of shows or even names of characters, and excludes any material that could be considered infringement. This is the case with our notice, as well as with notices received by other reaction channels. The notice we received is also lacking in terms of proper documentation, so we are requesting access to the full document as submitted by VIZ/Aniplex.

Since our hands are tied until this is resolved, we will have to temporarily un-publish contested links. And because VIZ/Aniplex acts as if even names of shows are copyrighted material, we can’t make daily updates the way we used to. So for now:

  • Older content: If you’re looking for our older content, please use our website: https://thenormies.com/ Patreon galleries will be incomplete by the end of this week.
  • New content: We will continue making posts here daily, but we will have to make certain adjustments (not using proper names of any of the shows that were claimed).

We apologize for this inconvenience. We will continue to keep you updated on the progression of this case.

Normies 

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Spudsworth

Well that's really shitty, but hopefully you guys can push back and beat the claim.

Anonymous

These kind of attacks (and I don't use that word lightly), always seem to come in waves. I remember this time last year Toei got very aggressive against some Youtube channels, and even issued claims against a channel for doing a sketch drawing of their characters. The end result of that fight was those videos got blocked in Japan (a country with a much less robust 'fair use' law, but were available elsewhere. Sadly, Patreon does not have specific region blocks for content, so it will be much harder for Patreon to fight back on behalf of creators :(

Ajamu

it sucks, i agree with changing the name, it will help, perhaps abbreviations

Sheriff Uchiha

I'm okay with using the website. As long as you move things there, it should be fine. But what about YouTube? Will content owned by Viz still go up on there? Do you think Viz's bots will also start claiming YouTube videos that just mention characters and titles?

james lee

Just point the way and I’ll be there

Anonymous

tbh as long as we get content am not complaining

Anonymous

and thank you we know you guys work hard for us patrons. hope things work out without you guys having to delete stuff

Thoko
>>104523492

I think there are limits to what they can do on YouTube because YouTube has a better process for this which allows for an appeals process and even to escalate to the level of suing someone for a false claim. If you win the case, YouTube will accept it as the outcome. Patreon doesn't seem to have any such thing.

Thoko

This recently happened to another reaction channel Animaechan but Patreon immediately suspended her Patreon page, which cut off part of her income. I wonder why she got harsher treatment

Thoko

You know, I always wondered if the crew's "not a marketa substitute" announcement before every reaction would have any effect on copyright holders. I was always was skeptical and thought it wouldn't make any difference.

SeymourAsces

Alternative title ideas: Theodore Rope Me Blondie the Bloodsucker Killer Vampire with Daddy Issues 1st Year Child Soldiers Teenage Vigilantes Depression the Anime Space Joel EMERALD Workplace

Thoko

Can anybody tell me which TV shows this issue will affect?

Thoko
>>104540543

thanks, but they watch many anime. I'm trying to figure out if any of the specific shows that I watch are affected

xMaestro21

This sucks. But please please fix and improve your website if you will continue posting there in the future. I remember you got many suggestions and ideas for it from the community. I hope you can do something with that

Bryson

TATAKAE!!!

rickie woodson

suggestion: just use this site as a place for announcing when new posts are live but put the actual material on the website

Shmengels
>>104559434

Maybe I misunderstand, but it read to me that posts got flagged for even having the copyrighted name of content appear in them. The actual content still appears untouched on youtube, so linking is still fine. They'll only have to get creative with the naming of the patreon posts. So that wouldn't solve their problem really.

rickie woodson
>>104559434

i guess i should have been more clear. the posts would read: here are today's premium links. no names needed as we know what they are. they can also do abbreviated names like BL for bleach. just a suggestion. doesnt really effect me, im not into anime and just watching bleach for nostalgia sakes and to pass the time

rickie woodson

in these dark times, we need light and laughter. #releasethesunnycuts

Subaru130

Guess that's why MHA is called Our Warrior of College in the URL. I hadn't seen this post till now, so I thought it was just a joke or something.

Kamina 1

Preciate the update team.

BetheSOUL

Let us know if there's anything we can do

Misael Matute

Time to start using 3's and $s intead of of E's ans S's...

Jinskii

Any chance Normies will react to tekken 8 trailers?

bits

Would you have any interest in slowly starting to add edited content to your page? I'm not sure if I'm alone but I hate watching full lengths. It'd be nice to have it all available in one place in case yt blocks your vids in the future. Just a thought, thanks for all you do!!

Anonymous
>>104540543

Considering it's an issue with VIZ and Aniplex, I'm assuming they will be careful with all anime. A bit frustrating since I was looking forward to their NGE reactions. I'll just refresh the website every now and then to see. Happy watching!

Anonymous

All your fans support you and will be here no mater what . Normies Rule

Gabriel Reynisson (edited)

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2023-03-23 00:26:38 Somebody posted this on the RT TV page, just putting this here if it helps Guys please read this. I do web development, and have done so for 5 years as both freelance and project-hired, so I've been in many places. The core way to dodge copyright is twofold; 1) Make a video of fair use, without any shadow of doubt to the intention. This is nearly impossible. Especially for reactions. 2) Copyright reporting is, in the vast majority, either automated or a studio specifically contating youtube. This is becoming increasingly common. If you host your videos on another platform, you're just pushing the issue to the future. However, the best solution is also the worst both in how much work you have to do, and staying within legal limits. The best is keeping a backup of all of your videos - not the RAW footage, but have a hard-drive of all your finished videos that can then be re-uploaded. There are many ways to automate this process. The is not as costly as it sounds - you need hard-drives for storage, not ssd - they're relatively cheap. The complicated step, would be to have a "server" to make it easily accessible. But this leads into... Because you're breaching Copyright and cannot avoid a potential infringement/strike/lawsuit. And if a given studio is extremely aggressive, a police raid that finds a hard-drive with all of the copyrighted material is a death sentence. So here's my advice: 1) Make titles on platforms unclear. Never have a full version of an episode with the show, episode number and title in the video title. The most basic of basic automated copyright systems would find it every time. If you instead use patreon to link to videos so people can find them, it doens't matter if the title is 137120371202375. 2) Don't host it on accounts that relates to you. Make an account that's not in your name, with a mail you create only for this. Then find a password generator and use it for your username and password. Write these down or have a password manager. Add a VPN, and the amount of work to identify you will never be worth the effort. This is the ultimate defence. 3) Add filters to the videos - a grain filter over the video, even one that's barely visible, completely destroys most algorithms/ais that automate the process. Audio is generally harder to automatically compare, especially because you talk over things and the quality isn't equal to the series. You also skip songs. 4) Deny, deny, deny. Don't respond to any kind of authority. If they demand you to take some videos down. You take that shit down. If you can't afford it, you shouldn't be playing with copyright strikes - you need a backup economy to handle a potential lawsuit, or you'll be fucked for life. If you get a letter/mail and you're in doubt whether it's serious or just to scare you, ask social media (anonymously) - or best case scenario, find a good lawyer that is willing to give relatively short, frequent consultations. There are many good lawyers that will give advice for free. 5) For your mental health: *Make a checklist*. I'm fucking serious. Write down what you need to do before uploading a video. Follow the checklist, double-check it. Every time. No exceptions. If you need convincing, surgeons over the US found that mistakes were relatively frequent. A hospital then tried just making a checklist that's required of any surgeon to do before and after a surgery. Human error dropped by over 40% within a month. I believe it's required by law in most places today. Finally: DON'T TRUST EVERYTHING I SAY. I'M JUST A GUY. I want the best for you, but I don't know everything - and I'm not from the US. GET IN CONTACT WITH PROFESSIONALS. They literally exist to help you with these exact issues. If you had severe depression, would you listen to a stranger on the internet or a psychologist?
2023-03-22 22:47:04 Somebody posted this on the RT TV page, just putting this here if it helps. Guys please read this. I do web development, and have done so for 5 years as both freelance and project-hired, so I've been in many places. The core way to dodge copyright is twofold; 1) Make a video of fair use, without any shadow of doubt to the intention. This is nearly impossible. Especially for reactions. 2) Copyright reporting is, in the vast majority, either automated or a studio specifically contating youtube. This is becoming increasingly common. If you host your videos on another platform, you're just pushing the issue to the future. However, the best solution is also the worst both in how much work you have to do, and staying within legal limits. The best is keeping a backup of all of your videos - not the RAW footage, but have a hard-drive of all your finished videos that can then be re-uploaded. There are many ways to automate this process. The is not as costly as it sounds - you need hard-drives for storage, not ssd - they're relatively cheap. The complicated step, would be to have a "server" to make it easily accessible. But this leads into... Because you're breaching Copyright and cannot avoid a potential infringement/strike/lawsuit. And if a given studio is extremely aggressive, a police raid that finds a hard-drive with all of the copyrighted material is a death sentence. So here's my advice: 1) Make titles on platforms unclear. Never have a full version of an episode with the show, episode number and title in the video title. The most basic of basic automated copyright systems would find it every time. If you instead use patreon to link to videos so people can find them, it doens't matter if the title is 137120371202375. 2) Don't host it on accounts that relates to you. Make an account that's not in your name, with a mail you create only for this. Then find a password generator and use it for your username and password. Write these down or have a password manager. Add a VPN, and the amount of work to identify you will never be worth the effort. This is the ultimate defence. 3) Add filters to the videos - a grain filter over the video, even one that's barely visible, completely destroys most algorithms/ais that automate the process. Audio is generally harder to automatically compare, especially because you talk over things and the quality isn't equal to the series. You also skip songs. 4) Deny, deny, deny. Don't respond to any kind of authority. If they demand you to take some videos down. You take that shit down. If you can't afford it, you shouldn't be playing with copyright strikes - you need a backup economy to handle a potential lawsuit, or you'll be fucked for life. If you get a letter/mail and you're in doubt whether it's serious or just to scare you, ask social media (anonymously) - or best case scenario, find a good lawyer that is willing to give relatively short, frequent consultations. There are many good lawyers that will give advice for free. 5) For your mental health: *Make a checklist*. I'm fucking serious. Write down what you need to do before uploading a video. Follow the checklist, double-check it. Every time. No exceptions. If you need convincing, surgeons over the US found that mistakes were relatively frequent. A hospital then tried just making a checklist that's required of any surgeon to do before and after a surgery. Human error dropped by over 40% within a month. I believe it's required by law in most places today. Finally: DON'T TRUST EVERYTHING I SAY. I'M JUST A GUY. I want the best for you, but I don't know everything - and I'm not from the US. GET IN CONTACT WITH PROFESSIONALS. They literally exist to help you with these exact issues. If you had severe depression, would you listen to a stranger on the internet or a psychologist?

Somebody posted this on the RT TV page, just putting this here if it helps. Guys please read this. I do web development, and have done so for 5 years as both freelance and project-hired, so I've been in many places. The core way to dodge copyright is twofold; 1) Make a video of fair use, without any shadow of doubt to the intention. This is nearly impossible. Especially for reactions. 2) Copyright reporting is, in the vast majority, either automated or a studio specifically contating youtube. This is becoming increasingly common. If you host your videos on another platform, you're just pushing the issue to the future. However, the best solution is also the worst both in how much work you have to do, and staying within legal limits. The best is keeping a backup of all of your videos - not the RAW footage, but have a hard-drive of all your finished videos that can then be re-uploaded. There are many ways to automate this process. The is not as costly as it sounds - you need hard-drives for storage, not ssd - they're relatively cheap. The complicated step, would be to have a "server" to make it easily accessible. But this leads into... Because you're breaching Copyright and cannot avoid a potential infringement/strike/lawsuit. And if a given studio is extremely aggressive, a police raid that finds a hard-drive with all of the copyrighted material is a death sentence. So here's my advice: 1) Make titles on platforms unclear. Never have a full version of an episode with the show, episode number and title in the video title. The most basic of basic automated copyright systems would find it every time. If you instead use patreon to link to videos so people can find them, it doens't matter if the title is 137120371202375. 2) Don't host it on accounts that relates to you. Make an account that's not in your name, with a mail you create only for this. Then find a password generator and use it for your username and password. Write these down or have a password manager. Add a VPN, and the amount of work to identify you will never be worth the effort. This is the ultimate defence. 3) Add filters to the videos - a grain filter over the video, even one that's barely visible, completely destroys most algorithms/ais that automate the process. Audio is generally harder to automatically compare, especially because you talk over things and the quality isn't equal to the series. You also skip songs. 4) Deny, deny, deny. Don't respond to any kind of authority. If they demand you to take some videos down. You take that shit down. If you can't afford it, you shouldn't be playing with copyright strikes - you need a backup economy to handle a potential lawsuit, or you'll be fucked for life. If you get a letter/mail and you're in doubt whether it's serious or just to scare you, ask social media (anonymously) - or best case scenario, find a good lawyer that is willing to give relatively short, frequent consultations. There are many good lawyers that will give advice for free. 5) For your mental health: *Make a checklist*. I'm fucking serious. Write down what you need to do before uploading a video. Follow the checklist, double-check it. Every time. No exceptions. If you need convincing, surgeons over the US found that mistakes were relatively frequent. A hospital then tried just making a checklist that's required of any surgeon to do before and after a surgery. Human error dropped by over 40% within a month. I believe it's required by law in most places today. Finally: DON'T TRUST EVERYTHING I SAY. I'M JUST A GUY. I want the best for you, but I don't know everything - and I'm not from the US. GET IN CONTACT WITH PROFESSIONALS. They literally exist to help you with these exact issues. If you had severe depression, would you listen to a stranger on the internet or a psychologist?

Carla Davis

I'm just receiving this notice today on April 18th. So I'm confused.. is there an update

Martin Nicholls
>>104675280

Everything in this comment is the antithesis of fair use and the purposes of copyright protection. If something is fair use, it's fair use, end of - running away from it just makes the problem worse. There's a reason why the DMCA has a counter-notification system built in. I'd dare them to push further, frankly.