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Hi,

April 2020: 

The middle of May has come so it is time to show you a little bit more of what you can expect from the Goobertown Month in April. If you are not familiar with Brent or his YouTube Channel make sure to check it. Also, make sure that you have some time to spend as you will be stuck watching his cool videos for a while!

His ideas were the base for a poll that we run last month and your choice was:

Battlemages and Spellblades: 

In Brent's words: Just because you know some magic doesn’t mean that you wear a robe, carry a stick, and sit in a tower. Some magicians know how to get stuff done on the battlefield. Heavy armor, strong sword arms, exploding potions, ensorcelled weapons, and vicious familiars are all part of what makes this diverse sect of mages such powerful warriors. They may all have different magical gifts and different preferred weapons, but they are all extraordinarily dangerous.  

Expect: warriors from many distant lands and many schools of magic. A brutal assortment of fighting styles, and some very large and deadly familiars.

The product of Brent's ideas and Sławek's design is a deep and unique version of spellcasters that have a lot of character and we hope that you like what you see. There is much more to come so stay tuned. 


Presupported Tier

There were A LOT comments or DMs asking if we plan to create a tier with models ready to print. We think that we are getting pretty close to a point where we will be actually able to offer such tier. Before we make the final decision in this matter we want to know what you think. Would you be interested in $18 tier with pre-supported models? Do you have any ideas or comments about it? We are looking forward to hearing from you on this subject. 

Cheers
TF Crew

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Anonymous

I'm fine with what we have now.

Anonymous

I like what you're currently making. :)

Anonymous

Middle of May?

Anonymous

I'm looking forward to it😃

ARM

What is the differences between the tiers? What does "Pre-supported models" mean?

Anonymous

15$? Yes 18$? No :D Round numbers sound so much better. ;)

Anonymous

$18 is quite a jump for just pre-supported files.

Anonymous

That resin printers will pretty much be download and print no more having to support the models

Anonymous

Artisan Guild recently offered a pre-supported tier (Greg someone actually does the support work). It seemed like a good idea to them too - until the complaints came flooding in because of failed prints (people seemed to believe they were "guaranteed to print") and the inability to re-scale models without messing up the supports etc (some are really thin and don't like being scaled down and some are horrible to remove if scaled up). In short, it seems like a good idea. Artisan Guild thought so too. The long version? Some people will thank you for it, some will do nothing but gripe and a lot will be pretty much ambivalent. Whatever you decide, good luck!

TheMorrigan

I'm happy with the way it is now, I'm not too keen on pre supported files. But damn the April models all look breathtaking so far!

Anonymous

An extra $8 is easily worth it for the amount of time it would save me! Would happily upgrade to pre supported tier

Anonymous

Wouldn't be any good for me on the support side of thing. I build my own and have a good system. However, it'll be more work for you - don't know that you'll get enough bites on it to make it worth it, though.

Nicholas

Yes, please consider offering everything fully supported at the $18 tier. That is definitely worth it and has been at the other patreon that is probably acting as an example for you guys. I don't mind paying extra for the amount of work it entails. You may already be considering this, but my suggestion for "best practices" to have the support-placing person consider (though these may all be obvious): -1.5 min wall thickness (up to 2.0mm for large bases / weight bearing) -2 or more drain holes (placed on undersides and/or connecting points for multipart prints.. more the better if not seen!) -first drain holes as close as possible to build plate, with detail in the Z plane -Small contact points (.3-.4 head diameter w/ .3 or less penetration.. whatever you can manage that will not leave depression marks after careful support removal) It would be great to see a few test models for comments/feedback before commiting to a format, of course. I would also be willing to be able to pay a nominal fee to buy supported versions of previous months that I have already collected. Once you have a person doing this and caught up with each current month. Thanks!!

Yousiff Saxon

I don't mean to sound harsh but an 80% increase in cost for pre-supported seems steep compared to some of other designers. With pre-supporting would it also be orientated to the optimal way, supported to impact the model the least? For larger models would a decent location for drainage holes if hollowed be worked out? Your models are premium models, for an 80% increase I'd expect a premium amount of support/model prep before printing to justify it, as in I should just be able to add models to the build plate, slice and start printing.

Anonymous

Not thanks from me

Anonymous

Supports are sacrificial pieces required to successfully print models that otherwise would not have anything to print on top of. Manually placing these supports for resin printers can be a giant time sink/pain in the butt, so many people would prefer paying extra to have a model that's already oriented/supported for most resin printers.

Ryeguy

I think an 80% jump is excessive. Maybe 5 extra bucks I think I would be down for it.

Anonymous

I think 18 is a bit steep

Falco

No thanks. I would pay 10 extra bucks for another Patreon from you with fully Cyber Punk stuff &lt;3

Anonymous

I love the wizard wearing metal armour just on his legs under his robes - as if a spiteful enemy might try to kick him in the shins! Brilliant.

Sam Kay

Personally, I think pre supported models should be a crowdsourced project. There's so many patrons all doing their own supports already, if we could share our supported models with others at the same tier, it would be much smarter. I'm already supporting Artisan Guild's pre-supported tier, but if I continue going for pre-supported tiers at increased price points, I will have to start dropping some of the Patreons that I currently support. I support over 20 at this point, and simply can't afford to increase prices without dropping some. That said, at over 20 Patreons, I am also obviously unable to print even a fraction of the STLs I have.

Anonymous

I'm sure I'm in the minority, but I'm spitting out your models on an FDM printer, and the generated supports for resin are very different.

CompanyCo .

I like the tiers as is right now, just focus on keep making great models!

Anonymous

I print on a photon, and the pre-supported tier in another patreon I pledge to has been a time saver and game changer for me,. Take my money please...I am in day one, just pull the trigger... Maybe the loyalty bonus piece would be a great place to text drive the idea.

Anonymous

If you get them done by 3dprintingpro (Like Artisan Guild) yes, I would up my pledge to 18 no problem. My time is worth way more than $8.

Anonymous

I supporting artisian guild and even the te mimis came so clean been pre-supported i dont think worth the extra money. Other patreons already include the pre-support models in his patreo fee with is only $ 10 and that is a huge plus at the time to choose artist. Prefer support someone else for the extra money than pay just for someone do something i easily do by my self

Anonymous

I have someone I support that only cost $10 a month to get her models pre supported. I won't be paying $18 for presuppoerted minis. Maybe a dollar or two more. But that would be my max.

Anonymous

I would pay the extra dollars for the presupported tier in a heartbeat!

Anonymous

I'd pay a couple bucks more but that's it since some others offer supported models as standard.

Anonymous

I don't need a presupported tier for the Titan Forge Minis. Most of them are easy to support but there are a few other Patreons doing great minis but supporting them is a simply horrible (Cast n play for example or Cult Miniatures for example) for them I would pay a few dollars more to get a presupported version of the minis. I hate it to spending 30 minutes or more to support one (!) miniature, only to figure out after hours of printing that one the tiny supports broke off and the print failed because of it^^

Anonymous

You are able to maje double release for free, but supports need to be paid... Awfull, at least let the community do them for free, I would do one mini each month to share with each other and enjoy

Anonymous

Francesco pizzo make awesome models and have the pre-support files included in his $10... for me thats awesome. I love the art from titan forge but paying 8 bucks more when i already support a patreon that do the same justo foto the base cost don feels right for me, thats why i still in the normal tier of artisian guild

Mario da Silva

Really?? You mean 80% more for a work you already do if you testprint. that is ridiculous

Anonymous

So how many of this crews are you planning for April?

Anonymous

I already do this for artisans guild but I'm honestly not sure it's worth it. Sure my time is worth more but *double* the cost of a regular membership probaby not

Anonymous

Do a hairless female wizard. Do you have any idea how hard it is to find a Vedalken wizard mini that I don't have to pay an arm and a leg for.

nightlurker

No for pre-supports from me, I'd sooner do things like that myself as I have the time.

Joel

I would be in for pre supports!

Anonymous

I do think that having pre supported minis would be a huge help. I'm pretty new to the whole 3d printing thing and i would be willing to pay a few extra bucks a month especially for the quality of these.

Anonymous

I will say Artisans Guild did a great thing by releasing a single mini pre-supported for free to all patrons. Do that so people can see what kind of quality the supports are and if it will work well for them. I'm much more likely to think seriously about it if I can try it out myself.

Anonymous

I wish I could afford it. I support a few projects and this is already my most expensive one. Regardless, I love your work!

Anonymous

I would absolutely support pre supported minis. As Zachary said, artisans guild did it and they are great.

Anonymous

A little unrelated but will we be seeing some more of that amazon set ? A kind of fell in love with it and I am currently printing and painting the whole set

Anonymous

Absolutely YES to the pre supported tier

Anonymous

Totally would buy presupported minis. An extra 8 bucks is worth the hours it'll save.

Anonymous

I love those badasses Wizards ! I finaly found a mini for my battlemages :'D

Anonymous

SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY😂 lol jk I love the amount of work you guys put into this, and would love to send you guys an extra $8/mo!

Anonymous

I’d be willing to do it but only if you provide versions for both SLA and FDM printers, cause resin supports are unlikely to do me much good with my Ender 3

Anonymous

Gets my full support - bring it on!

Pietro Ferrari

I don't like the monster but the other two are phenomenal! Don't care about the presupport option.

Anonymous

Heck yeah I would pay for that. You know... as long as they work really well. A test piece would be ideal.

Anonymous

I don't know how you'd do a pre supported model. Far too many variables. Cast and Play did it and it was a complete mess

Rachit Modi

Presupported models = HELLS YES! you have my vote on this. Add an extra tier and whoever is interested will pledge. However, I suggest you make sure that whoever does the supporting tests the models by printing them at least twice.

Daniel McCormick

i would totally do an extra 8 dollars a month for pre supported models but i would like to know how they are supported, as in fdm supports or sla, preferably both

Rodney Sanders

I wouldn't pay extra for supports, although it seems like some would. Spend that time making us more sweet models to print.

Anonymous

The wizard with the axe looks way more B.A. then the sulking barbarian with the dropped book in front of it's feet.(all sculpts look amazing)

Marco Colucci

I agree with all of the guys that the 8$ more wouldn't be a problem but we have to know if the supports are for SLA or FDM. and like Rachit Modi said the testing of the supported models is important, because if a ready to print is the target the supports are the most important thing and if who makes the supports uses too meny could result in a lot of sanding of the final model, in other side if there are too little the result would be failures. But the work you guys are doing is amazing! really happy to support this patreon!

Anonymous

hell yeah these are awesome

Anonymous

As long as they're tested and confirmed working, I'd definitely support a pre supported tier. I recently did with another patreon and it's definitely worth the extra money in the time saved.

Anonymous

I would also support the pre supported tier

Anonymous

I enjoy installing supports to models, it's zen like for...

Anonymous

Yes. Presupported teir.

Anonymous

I don't understand the need for per-supported models. It's literally just choosing a profile in the slicer for me, or clicking the add support button for me. Am I missing something here? Do people not slice the models? I'm legitimately confused here.

Anonymous

Adding optimised supports for resin printing (that includes supporting EVERY SINGLE ISLAND) can take a lot of time. Auto supports don't do a great job of supporting complex prints like minis.

Anonymous

I would absolutely love a presupported tier! I'd be okay with 8 bucks more, not thirlled but i wouldn't say no to it. I would also like to see if we could get some of the bigger models to be hollowd out so we could save on resin. Maybe a 20 dollare tier for hollowed and supported prints?

Anonymous

I have been asking for a "support included" pack - and willing to pay more for it - on the FB group I got loads of comments of people telling me it's "unrealistic" because "every machine is different" (i'm a Photon newbie, and only did the test cube, as this whole software of supports is blocking me a bit at this stage - so i cannot judge of what that really means). In any case, I would EXPECT that the support Tier you will propose will include support for the Anycubic Photon printers - since Anycubic is one of your sponsors and a widely used printer out there.

Cornelius Perkins

I'm not thrilled about an extra $8. Compare it to the value of the models themselves: you're pricing the supports at an extra 80% of the value of the models.

CK Lai

Think of all the time and resin you will save. I'm sure it's worth $8 or more?

Anonymous

I dont need a pre supported tier personally but I can see where the influx of new users could . with it being fairly time consuming to learn of where overhangs are and how to use the least amount of supports, with the right settings to get the cleanest most consistent print .

Chris Sanders

I pay $18 for the pre supported tier of artisan build minis so I would definitely be interested in the same for yours. I am not a member currently but if you make this tier I surly will be

BreakerMouse

I gave some thought to pre-support tier and have probably too much to say about it, but here goes. With a qualified yes, I would be interested. I wouldn’t support it every month, because that’s nearly twice what most other creators charge. But you do put out a lot of content and of high quality, and it would be worth it for the sets I’m interested in, because $8 to avoid several hours of work is a deal. But. Speaking bluntly, you should be testing out your models with supports and ideally printing them, and my sense from various bits of odd undercut and unnecessary down pointed bits is that you don’t. You make amazing 3d models, but they are not easy to print. And if you’re setting up supports anyway, it seems like a steep increase in price just to publish the file. The simple reality is that my hobby time is limited, and I don’t always have a couple evenings a month to sit down and fuss with supports. A smaller set of simpler models (like Vae Victus) is sometimes the better deal to me because I’d rather have models coming off my printer than files waiting for me to get around to them. Fewer supports also means less failures, artifact clean up and waste. So yes, I would periodically pay more for pre-supported files. But I think you could also give some thought to models that are easier to support, or include supported versions for little or nothing more, in order to attract a lot more patrons that aren’t confident in their technical skills or don’t have the time or inclination to fuss with complicated supports. It’s certainly the thing that stopped me from joining until this month, and is preventing me from continuing to support you every month.

ATSOG

I'd pay it as long as the support work was high quality.

Anonymous

I agree with SteamKraken, the increased workload with adding support (and dealing w print failures) is what keeps me from committing.

Anonymous

Being new to this whole world I would love presupported files!