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Kingdom Ep. 7 (Patreon)

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2021-05-21 14:00:07
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Which rap performance and which dance performance were your favorites? It's One or Mayfly?

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Court V

The best part of the mayfly dance performance was def Ateez's facial expressions and their stage presence, and it's honestly hard for literally any group or idol to match up to them, Including skz without hyunjin.. They have diff styles and Ateez are very theatrical and expressive so I feel like their expressions and the way they danced were the highlight of the performance and completely outshined the SKZ members which is why I agree with you about the synergy thing. They felt like 2 diff groups because of it. I did like the remix of the song (shout-out to HJ adlibs) but I don't like it as a performance song. So while I think Ateez killed it, the synergy of the groups and the song just threw me off, and I feel like it's one should have won that.

Court V

For the rap portion, I completely agree too although I like mayfly way more. It's one felt disjointed and the concept I don't think matched the song all that well. I also wasnt really a fan of the rap in complete auto tune. Mayflys was way better well done imo. They had a concept that aligned with the song, the members voices and raps blended together seamlessly, and there was never a boring part. Hongjoongs swag and sorta softer, catchy voice and rap right after changins hard and fast rap was 🔥 and then when Min-Hyuk came on, it was over for me. Def one of my fave performances.

Lea Rosic

i think there are many reasons why hwiyoung didn’t speak up. firstly is declining FNC most of the input he brings to the table & never allows him to do much for SF9 music, but especially we can’t forget about the fact that bobby is a well respected sunbaenim. these 2 points colliding made it even harder for hwiyoungie. he brought like suggestions, but since he is used to hear that his ideas aren’t good enough he just let bobby do his thing, especially since sunwoo also agreed & didn’t criticised anything bobby came up with. i‘m not sure if sunwoo actually stood behind everything bobby came up with or if he also just went with the things since he is a big fan of him & a rather „small light“ within kpop compared to bobby. i think overall this unit did well, but to me it was clear that hwiyoung didn’t stood behind what they did based on how i know him within SF9. it’s really sad that this happened, but i think that it was predictable that it will turn out this way, based on his his issues with FNC in regards to music & overall the personality he is showing mostly. he is unfortunately a big people pleaser & doesn’t want to be a burden or the reason for a whole groups downfall. that’s why he rather stays silent than taking the risk to put more of himself into things like that :/

kpoppie

i know this is like years late, but like the boyz sangyeon is a year older than jungkook

freddie

so sooo late to kingdom but one question: why is seonghwa in a shot with the rap unit? was he going to be part of it? i know he's been doing more rapping in their songs now but i don't know how it was 2 years ago even though it's been 2 yrs i'm glad i finally watched this, i've been getting into skz and atz more now. the mayfly rap unit was so good, loved seeing how the groups worked together.

Malaki.H

For rap it was mayfly and dance it was its one for me

Sandy Cai

Finally, been waiting all week for this!

Kiwi Space

If two groups compete with similar/same style, it's basically a matter of who did it better. However, if two groups compete with different styles, it's gonna be a matter of taste. I really can't bring myself to rank, like how can you when you see the overflowing comradeship? My winner predictions: Mayfly(Rap), It's One(Dance)(Note: Have you noticed that when someone does a Korean theme, majority of the time it wins?) and lastly Mayfly for vocals.

Anonymous

For the rap ones, I'd say they both were equally good, but I get why Mayfly won that round. As for dance, I preferred One's way way more than Mayflys. Mostly because One's actually focused on displaying dance skills (esp as an art) and Mayfly's was just a cover, yes one which had more stunts, but a cover nonetheless. One's was way better both in originality and technicality. I haven't seen Ep 8 yet(if anyone wants to reply please don't spoil it, thank you :) ) and so personally, if One didn't win the dance round Im gonna find this so rigged. Also side note about the "experts" they have watching, I don't get why there are rookie groups judging their seniors in this competition. I get everyone else since they have experience and knowledge but the rookies, not so much. Edit: Just saw your comment on group synergy for Mayfly's dance unit. I am not so surprised because it definitely felt like way too many people, hence too many divided attentions. Plus I didn't think everyone needed to be in that round(we can see for One only some members participated in round One not everyone), and maybe just taking like the top 1-2 dancers from SKZ and Ateez plus Peniel would have been better esp in terms of dividing attention. Personally I didn't notice it because I truthfully wasn't impressed by the performance as a whole, didn't feel original or better than the original song. Also I was watching with my friend and you know they mentioned their cover was supposed to be a mashup of Wolf with N-Words In Paris by Kanye West and Jay-Z, my friend mentioned he couldn't hear that song at all(haven't heard it myself so I can't say that). So yeah I wasn't the biggest fan of that performance per say.

CreatureSoul446

For rap I preferred Mayfly, call me "cheesy" but while I think flow-wise (? I don't know what to call the quality of rapping not including lyrics) both performances were pretty much equally as good, I really liked the message of Colours. For dance, I kept going back and forth since they have such different vibes. Ultimately I think One had the better performance, it felt more dance-oriented and had a lot of new choreo they had to learn. I'm definitely no expert though, choosing between these groups is so hard D:

Maureen

the song that you asked for is: "You get what you give - Charming Horses & Grace Grundy"

jiminycricket

from what I remember when Dara visited SM for Yeri's Youtube channel (which is like oct 2020), Dara said the YG office was renovating. I guess it was done at the time of this filming

Harley

The amount of dislike I have for the song Wolf and of course it's one of the best performances on the show lol. I keep rewatching it and just have to bare the song hahahaha

Anonymous

i just wish they had actual professional judges instead on young idols/ trainees. ik there were a few older people and some senior idols but the majority were not actual “experts”. but everyone worked super hard so i’m not mad at who won

Dianne

Bobby actually confessed he initially didn't want to participate in the rap unit but when he saw that Sunwoo and Hwiyoung are serious about it, he eventually decided to join.

Dianne

Knetz and PD have the same impression about the difference of the two rap teams. It became a trending topic in korean community sites how Bobby's team is a Show Me The Money type of performance while the other team is more like the idol/pop version.

Sham Sham
>>60294373

omg ever since that live he did I kept thinking like okay u didn't want to do it at first but like.... wouldn't he still would have had to do it? i mean he was already in the rap unit since he is a rapper so like if sunwoo and hwi weren't so serious would he still would have had to participate? lol I was like bobby i don't think they would have let u sit out boy haha.

Anonymous

preferred full dash, didn't agree with the experts saying that the lyrics weren't that well thought-out bc full dash lyrics actually have a lot of imagery and analogies hidden like! and I guess it's more of a diss track than the uplifting and woke lyrics from mayfly, but it's a rap showcase, I guess an idol rap performance (rap + stage elements) was what they were looking for so I've come to terms with the results! (full dash beat was fire though, think bobby was inspired by franchise)

Erika Linis

I enjoyed both teams for the rap because I liked the two vibes for different reasons, but I preferred One's team for the dance

jiminycricket

PD: for the song, i think it's Felix Cartal- Get What You Give. 2017 EDM spin on the song

Dianne

As someone who is not a fan of korean culture concept, JuTaeHyuk's performance literally took my breath away. My heart was beating so fast and I had goosebumps when I watched it live. The concept was very clear and they executed it so well. It's just too good!

Sherry

Personally for me, (rap performance) i prefer Full DaSH more than the other team but i can see why Mayfly win i mean look at the judges it all down to the matter of taste.What i mean by that is, Full DaSH is so much like a 'Show Me The Money' kinda rap performance and Mayfly is showcasing idol raps and performances, the judges are full of idols, performers, stage and music critiques but not much rapper like Jessie, Sean etc so in that direction its clear on why Mayfly team can win over Full Dash. (Dance performance) and for this one is prefer Its One team over Mayfly. Now my opinions are not biased because im not a particularly one group fan, i watched Kingdom as a general viewer who loves to watch these idols performance equally. And from my pov Its One team showcase more of the dance in the case of originality. They show their own colour during their own part and their performance leave so much lingering feeling. I agree that the more the members are, the fun a dance stage would be because of the synergy, but for Mayfly team, although they have many members, it kinda get messy(?). Not that im saying that their performance is bad but its like a typical idol cover with added more actions and stunts. I dont feel that during Its One performance so thats why i think i prefer Its One team over Mayfly :)

Anonymous

Changsub was sick since backdoor performance so he had to take a break from filming

Angie

i think jutaehyuk's performance was beautiful and executed nicely, but i also think mayfly's performance left amazing impact and had a lot of trust and teamwork, it felt more connected. So it just once again depends on what someone prefers. That's why i don't like that there's voting and stuff on this show, cause regardless of bias, it's still down to preference cause no one is necessarily bad, teams keep doing such drastically different things that it makes it hard to even say which one is better vs which one someone just prefers.

Holly

Objectively, I do agree that Mayfly's rap performance was better in that it was more well-put together, had a better shock factor, and executed extremely well. However, as my ults are The Boyz, I do prefer their rap performance much more! As a deobi I can say I've never seen Sunwoo that happy on stage- the way he was just yelling and jamming his heart out on stage, and when he said "I thought we needed to win but I'm so happy. I never knew I could be this happy in a competition" almost made me cry! I'm not sure about Hwiyoung, but I can say that Sunwoo really admires Bobby as a sunbae, and he's always wanted to try a SMTM, YG-type rap performance but was unable to because he had to match his group, so I don't think he was afraid to speak out to Bobby but rather he really did want to try that style. Bobby intentionally gave the other 2 the verses and let them do whatever they wanted to do with it. I guess that led to a less cohesive stage as a whole, but I'm so happy that Sunwoo got to shine and do what he wanted (plus the wordplay in his verse was INSANE!). As his group said when the ranking was revealed, as long as Sunwoo is happy, we are happy!

Joey Cheung

i personally preferred it’s one rap & dance performance over mayflys. for rap unit- i felt like it’s ones unit showcased more of an underground/ hip hop rap style, which we barley get to see idols do unlike mayflys team which showcased more of an idol rap style. as much as i do love both styles of rap i think it’s one showcasing the underground style of rap was refreshing. the track itself was also pretty much a diss track to mnet and honestly mnet deserves it at this point. for dance it was nice that team mayfly included so many members, but because there were so many members it felt like none of them really got to truly showcase what they can do as well as it honestly looked kind of messy (in a way where i wasn’t sure where to look or pay attention to). the performance was also just really a cover of the original song with a few added stunts, i feel like it would’ve been nicer if they added in more original choreography and kept just the main points/‘killing points’ of the original dance. for it’s ones unit i felt like because there was only 3 members participating they were able to showcase their individuality, as well as it felt more like an original dance. the storyline for it’s ones unit also felt way more cohesive, and flowed better in general in my opinion. overall i did enjoy all 4 performances!!! i stan of all 6 groups, and ateez is my semi ult group so i really did evaluate this trying to be as unbiased as i could

Aoife

I honestly feel like Lee Know should have led the mayfly dance unit, since he is the dance leader of stray kids and he has experience leading groups for performances. But I also feel he suggested Peniel because he didn’t want to lead(?). I wish they had done the main dancers of stray kids and ateez and then Peniel because then there could have been more solo stuff and they may have been more cohesive as a group.

Holly

Also you caught the wordplay in the title Full DaSH! Except it's actually supposed to mean "f**k dat sh**" lol I saw a theory somewhere that Bobby is dressed colorfully while Sunwoo and Hwiyoung are not because he has already found and established his color as a rapper while Hwiyoung and Sunwoo have yet to. idk I thought that was pretty cool

Sakura

SF9 and BTOB winning second round by almost the same score is poetic justice. Does the total ranking include the 1000 points benefit Stray Kids got by winning the introduction stage?

Anonymous

I feel like this whole unit is kinda... not unfair but the It's One team is very unlucky. From the start I knew Mayfly had the upperhand because they had 3RACHA for rap, ATEEZ for dance, and BTOB for vocals. Genuinely an allrounder team, they all are known for those specific things. But with It's One they're very... different. iKon is known for their laidback hiphop, SF9 is known for their model-like acting sort of performances, and The Boyz is full on spectacle. They do not suit each other at all. I love all of these groups but I do feel bad for the It's One team

Anonymous
>>60305323

It's One is had the better rap song, but Mayfly really felt like a team compared to them, which is why their performance overall felt more composed compared to It's One. And with dance... I love oriental concepts but man that dance did not showcase how well they can actually dance, as they themselves said, Taeyang and Juyeon have beautiful dance lines. They really could've done a lot with a more contemporary style and use Donghyuk as contrast but the outfits especially did not let them do that and made it kinda messy. With Mayfly, again they felt like a full team, I'm glad they didn't try filling it with stunts and instead just had that one moment. Personal preference if you felt like that took away or gave more to the performance. And aside from that... man idk u just know what they were going for and it worked. While with It's One I felt like there was so much more potential

Sophie

This was really interesting to hear your thoughts on! On the rap units I felt both were just as good and it's just a matter of preference of what one would think is better. I really liked both the dance performances! I don't really have big preference, it really depends on my mood. Since one was more on the emotional/storydriven side and the other was a more exciting/power heavy performance. I did realize we had quite a different opinion on the dance units (at least on ONE part). First of I would like to say that I've spent over 15 years dancing, with main focus on contemporary, ballet and jazz ballet. So my opinion is also heavily influenced by what i perceived watching the executions of the moves and the choices. I would also like to say that I both like the units a lot, but for very different reasons. Also this is going to be long as heck. Sorry. Your comment on the synergy, I completely disagree. The strong point of It's one's performance was their individualistic styles, which were so fricking awesome. But it was also their weakest point. What I mean with that is that the whole concept they had were about one king and 3 egos. Personally it took me out of the performance every time they danced in unit, since their individualistic style overshadowed their unity so it felt like on was rushing the moves and another one was late. For me it felt like 3 different kings and not 1 king. One of the biggest things I, but also many other dancers I've had the pleasure working with, have been always kind of struggling with is to find the right synergy to dance in unity. For a dancer an individualistic style is very important, like your identity as a dancer is your style. But if a choreography has parts in units, which are meant to be synchronized, you strive for it. Because the moment someone isn't doing the move exactly on the count the whole effect of the unity kind of falls apart. On the other hand mayfly's team I would say had really good synergy and unity. The dancers in ATEEZ has a very different power levels when it comes dance, especially compared to skz like you mentioned. Personally I think they played well with the dynamics of each dancer, and the overall placements of each dancer was balanced (thinking about power). Each dancer doing their solo/duo/focus was really shining. But you could easily grasp the power difference in the group transitions which I think you were thinking about when speaking of "not having synergy". They could of course hold back (on the power) a bit but thinking of the overall concept it actual fitted quite well. The performance as a whole felt connected like they were an actual group. I would again say that I don't actually have a preference in the dance units (even though it may seem like it with all the comments towards It's one). I liked them both on different things and would say they aren't really comparable. The choices of stunts in mayfly I would say wasn't really that good and took personally me out of the performance. Also would like to say that mayfly also had occasions were individualistic style made a certain part not as synchronized. But partly bc of the concept and how it was executed it didn't pull me out of the overall performance. And It's one had some truly remarkable solos. Like you could actually feel the different egos on each solo. SO GOOD!!! But again this are just my thoughts. Some would disagree and it's interesting to listen to all the reasons since people have different backgrounds so they would value different parts of a performance. Hope this whole thing made sense (english is not my first language).

Daniel Secundino

i really liked how you watch them on yt first! i think you should continue doing that with the rest of the episodes

Betânia Camille Backes

I think that despite full dash having a more underground rapping type of performance, the verses of mayfly were still much better. Even taking the lyrics aside, all their verses were very distinct and had great fluidity within the song. The Mayfly performance had the two best verses of the round for me. Although Minhyuk didn't change his voice that much, his flow was insane, and it has an extremely powerful punchline. Jisung rapped so inanely good as well, it was one of his fastest verses, had some flow variation and an INSANE rhyme scheme. When analysing technically, I can't not give them the crown for this performance. I also have to compliment Sunwoo, because I've never seen him going this hard, I genuinely think this was one of his best verses, it was the highlight of full dash for me. Bobby completely gave the others the spotlight, since he didn't have a full verse, but somehow the song still sounded his. I just wish he had a full verse, I think it could have made the song a lot better when compared to Mayfly where all the members did very memorable verses.

Betânia Camille Backes
>>60306880

It just turns me off a bit when people start saying that a song is "a better rap song" because it sounds underground. A song can be upbeat and have great rap verses, and a song can sound underground and have weak verses. And this is coming from someone who really likes Korean hip hop and that actually consumes a lot of underground rap music.

Sakura

Bobby saying they paid for a restroom at least in the YG building reminded me to when one SHINee member (don't remember sorry) said they paid for the elevator in the SM HQ and EXO's Growl paid for the whole SM building.

Daniel Secundino

I wonder if they are afraid to cover BTS cuz of the crazy fandom lol

Anonymous

I was also curious as to why Its One didn't include more members! I think the performances were still AMAZING but I am curious!

Sakura

Can we talk about how MAYFLY teams gave such a level of respect and royalty treatment to BTOB members? Minhyuk is the final boss in the rap performance and Peniel is the alpha of the pack. Ateez and Stray kids babies giving BTOB the legend treatment they deserve. This performance allowed BTOB members to shine in different ways that what are they known for (Penial dancing instead of rapping and Minhyuk rapping, as short as it was). Also I love how despite being different generations, they were completely integrated. For example, Peniel giving his all to a choreography designed for ATZ and SKZ who are performance monsters. Just WOW. As Minhyuk said, after so long in the industry sometimes music just feel like work and I think their junios renewed their passion for it with their energy.

Anonymous

I will first state that I went into this a bit biased as I started watching Kingdom for Ateez and Stray Kids and have fallen in love with BtoB so I was team Mayfly before it was even a thing lol. But I did try to remain as unbiased as I could. It's One: admittedly these 3 groups I know the least about and most of what I know of them I learned through kingdom. Bobby- I LOVE his stage presence. He looks like he's having so much fun and it's infectious. Hwi Young- I'm glad I wasn't the only one who picked up on him feeling stiff. I thought maybe it was a feeling I had carried over after hearing Bobby say he felt distant when he was remaining formal but hearing PD say it made me realize I wasn't imagining it. Sunwoo- I was absolutely blown away by him. He came out hitting heavier then expected and was really impressed to hear him throw in "astronomical" without it feeling clunky. I also really loved how well he vibed with Bobby even after they lost you could almost feel like he already felt like a winner just from having the chance to work with Bobby. Mayfly: Definitely think they prepared with the competition in mind. I feel like the chemistry they had off stage carried over to the performance so well. I really enjoyed the contrast between Changbin and Hongjoon's voices/style in the beginning. Also think they did a really good job showing off each member even though there were 5 of them. Overall- I lean more towards Mayfly because that stay stuck in my head well after the song ended. But, honestly I need both those tracks on Spotify asap For dance I'm writing this before watching PD's reactions. Honestly Lee Know was right when he said it's about preference. They're both so vastly different it's impossible to compare. It's One was GORGEOUS and did a really good job of highlighting each member. I think that the overall story may not be to clear to international fans who just watched the performance. I saw a lot of people thinking it was 3 separate kings in love with one woman. No matter what story you take away from it though it was beautiful. Mayfly it think prepared with the idea of views counting towards scoring in mind because I feel like with the song as well it add to the rewatch ability. I know I've personally rewatched it a few times just to hear the song. So I think the lack of fan influence may give It's One an advantage. I am curious what made It's One choose the numbers as they did for their performances I feel like If I was a fan of theirs and didn't get the opportunity to see my bias I may be left a little disappointed

Anonymous

Again thank you for such an amazing genuine reaction! it is really hard to say as it has become a matter of preferences, it is new to get sunbaes and hoobae and a few professionals to vote however as only a few are actually profesionals i guess even for SJ and the rookie groups its hard for them to judge objectively and they don't actually have much time to analyse and dissect the performances so its really up to their taste and initial feelings . I guess i already predicted that mayfly will have the advantage as they are the top 3 and they have big fan bases as well and of course they're good but who isn't in this programme. I guess it's just heartbreaking seeing some of them lose as they all worked really hard.

Anonymous

I have to agree with you PD. For the rap unit, I really liked Mayfly. The song felt really cohesive and so did the performance. They felt like one team. Whereas the “one” team was lacking something. I think that One’s performance would translate well if there was a live audience and you could use the crowd energy to enhance the performance. But since no audience is present, the teams need to perform differently. Overall, Mayfly took the crown there, the performance was just very captivating and I rewatched it several times. As for the dance unit, I felt both teams actually lacked something. For one’s team, I really enjoyed the instrumental and the theme. I loved that the dance was also acting focused, however, I noticed some sync and balance issues whenever they danced together, there they were not unified. I would love them to use more modern dance elements, but not sure if DK could pull it off. If they danced barefoot, I think that the parts where they danced together would have been more impactful and would allow them to execute the elegant dances more precisely. But overall, this team won for me. As for Mayfly, I totally agree with you on the synergy point. I was also thinking that SKZ were totally overpowered. Also not a fan of EXO's Wolf - and have the same thoughts about SM music during one particular era ahahhahaa. Overall, this performance was a cover. And it didn’t really impress me. But have to say that after watching it, I became even more interested in ATEEZ. I didn't really follow them before Kingdom but I think I became a fan. I also want to comment on the behind-the-scenes, I loved the teamwork of 5racha! And also Mayfly dance team had much better chemistry than One’s teams. One's unites just felt awkward tbh. I would love to see more interactions from Mayfly!! They are so funny together!

Don't call me.
>>60301038

Yeah. Also minho finally got some center time but for some reason they never do longer close ups gor where you would be able to tell whats going on, they always cut so much on his parts that you dont notice he was center really. Its kinda sad.

Samantha

Me back again with the essays for anyone who really wants to read a thesis on each episode lmaoooooo!!!! As always I look at each of these performances from a theatrical standpoint as that is what my profession is and how I personally view performances. Just like PD always says, it's just a personal preference so no worries if you end up disagreeing! (In fact, if you do pls comment bc I love looking at these performances from several different points of view, it helps me to learn and grow myself! ^_^) Rap Performances: Full DaSH- I fully agree with all of the comments I've been seeing going around about how this clear divide in votes from the judges is an mnet issue again. Clearly, mnet is also pulling in ppl who are going to vote for the flashy performances bc that's what mnet is all about. That's their brand, of course they're going to get ppl who support that too it's bullshit but it's fact. They deserved so much more than 10 judges giving them support. I fully expected this round to be a very close voting as both teams had a very similar performance vibe to them. (Not that they were the same jsut the energy of the stages were similar, personally I think it's because both groups were having fun for once lmaooooo) As for this group, they fully killed it. They did what they set out to do and showed a very truthful khiphop performance. It was something that we would really see in the khiphop world rather than in kpop and fully that's why they lost. They're being judged as idols here and while yes, that is who and what they are, that's not what this stage was set up to be. They were embracing the round challenge of 'No Limit' by showing that they are more than idols and more than just a singular member of a larger group, but that they themselves have more to them than what the general public gets to see on stage. As you can tell, I'm spiced about this one because while I'm happy my faves won the round, this round was super rigged and unfair. Full DaSH deserved better and so far from what I'm seeing in all the fandom spaces, many ppl agree. Also, can I get a standing ovation for Sunwoo???? Man is fully talent personified and like I know that from all of his performances in previous stages but right here was just 😍🙌 Colours: yes yes yes yes yes yes yes!!!! Once again we get Hongjoong directing the message of the song towards socially aware and important points that fully made this song and performance with so many great layers that by the end the final outcome was just s t u n n i n g. Like the one judge said, their connection between their lyrics, design, and staging fully set this one up as a win for me. Yes, it was the flashier stage and yes it was the more "idol rap" stage but overall instead of being weaker or cringy like we've seen with idol raps in the past, this stage delivered. It showed the audience and the judges how kpop can develop with its raps and messages to get closer to what rap and hiphop was originally about and created for in America when it all first started as a music genre. All in all, while the Full DaSH stage was closer to the hiphop sound and vibe, the Colours stage was closer to the message and original intent/message of rap and hiphop. Dance Performances: King and Queen: I can't even lie to you, this one should win between the two. They showed a full dance performance that introduced both new and old to the genre of kpop for this stage. As much as I love groups on the other team, this was just ..... more. They embraced the no limit challenge and showed everyone a performance that not only showed Korean history and culture, but also kpop choreo paired with other traditional and contemporary styles of dance. The roundness of the moves paired with a complete story line that shows a development outside of the stage itself to connect with the Korean audiences' history just made this stage IT for me. I'll understand if they don't win because mnet's stupid biases but also they won this round for me as a viewer. Wolf: I'm gonna be honest, I hate this song originally. Like I love Exo and especially a good chunk of early Exo but this song was not it. Like idk who told them that this was the way to go but honestly this song is just cringy and something I only appreciate for when Baekhyun and Chen go off with their vocals during the chorus. That being said, THIS STAGE!!!! I think the best thing this team did was chose a song and performance where they really go to showcase their personal talents. Ateez is known for their facial expressions, Stray Kids is known for their strong and impressive conceptual performances, and BTOB is know for their skills of going above and beyond both as soloists and as a group. With all of that together, it fully made this stage something I actually liked and enjoyed even while positively HATING the song lol. It was a struggle but they actually accomplished it. Overall I'm so glad we got Lia Kim commenting on this stage in particular because this is something I could fully see her creating. I love her style of dance and choreography along with her vibe/energy when she herself is performing and I think she explained the strengths of this stage the best. I love love loved this performance but between the two I still really have to give it to the King and Queen stage. Collective Thoughts: I am so confused on the groups' thought processes with selecting members for each unit performance. BTOB was the only one I really got because I mean they only have the 3 right now. Personally, I would have added 2 more members into the vocal unit on the Mayfly team (IN and one of the Ateez members, all of the 5 there are strong vocally and dance) and then I also would have had way more members into the dance unit for the other team (Chani, Q, Eric, and Youngbin most likely). All in all, I'm wondering if that was fully their choices or if mnet had a hand in it. Excited to see the outcome of the dance unit round and the performances for the vocal units!!!!!! (Not to mention the 6 teams doing the second half of round 3 with their individual performances). We're getting close to the end, I hope by the end we all (the 6 teams and the fans watching) walk out of this with a smile on our faces and a joy at watching all of these performers get to do and succeed with these incredible stages that we normally just don't get to see from idols ^_^. ALSO: my thoughts on the judge selections and the reactions about it: The fact that ppl are putting down the idols who are pulled in as judges is bullshit. They have training and are in the same job field as everyone competing, they are more qualified than the fans to judge/score. As for the drawing thing, defs was done during the HOURS between each stage. People really think these things happen in just 2 hours??? I have to laugh. Clearly the judges were just bored and doodling like anyone else would with pen, paper, and hours of boredom to kill. And, for the ppl hating on the idols who are fans of the performers, get a fucking grip so are you?? There's going to be bias in voting no matter how hard you try not to have in scoring bc they're human beings and each individual likes certain things?? Y'all need to go outside touch the grass I swear. And finally, this is literally why mnet didn't reveal the judges for the first 2 rounds bc they knew the "fans" would hunt them down and harass them for not giving their faves first place. To those crazy people claiming to be fans, get over it. We all know mnet is a snake, let's just focus on the creativity being shown and the amazing relationships being formed between all the groups because at the end of the day that's the good that comes out of all this mess. 💖💕💞💝

Sakura

Wolf by EXO is cringey it is ICONIC. As an EXO fan, I would say the song is that friend who embarrasses you while hanging out with people but you’ll fight whoever is coming for their neck. My kpop gang and me watch the demo song whenever we wanna have a laugh ( I recommend to make a “the cringes kpop songs of all time” list and watch it with your friends half drunk, almost a religious experience I would say hahahaha) Anyway, form a technical point of view, I do think it is hard to sing and also hard to dance. You just have to be brave to pull out that concept and make it look that cool. Even with the "lacking synergy" you mentioned, I felt this team had a genuine feeling of brotherhood behind the scenes and they tried to show that by pairing members form different groups in the stage and I appreciate that.

Kriss

I actually loved both rap performances but Mayfly was my favorite at the end. I liked what they rapped about and the team seem so in sync. I loved the interactions the It's One team tho. As for the dance. I hate the Wolf song but this performance made me hate it a bit less. The fact they were using an already made song etc made me think I was not going to like it but I actually did. Their performance was what did it for me. And the fact that they recorded the song also made me like it more. As for the It's One performance. I really like the concept and the idea but to be honest, even though DK is my iKon bias and I adore him. I felt like he didn't fit there. He was great in the parts where he was supposed to act crazy. But the soft performance parts, I felt like he didn't fit. Juyeon and Taeyang and pros at that type of performance and it fit them very well. But DK looked awkward. Although he did his best. When they were dancing graciously and soft, DK tried but his facial expressions were a little too much. Also his body was a but stiff. Again, because it's not his style, and you can definitely see the difference when they are all dancing together. In my opinion I think he tried to overdo it a little to much to try to fit in. And while I loved Juyeon and Taeyang's part, I wasn't sold on the performance because of that. I was a little disappointed. Again this is just my opinion. I think they all did great overall. On the judges selection. They know more than I do so sure. I'm ok with that. They trained hard and they know technique and have skills. I know nothing. Let them judge.

Céline Verhaeghe

Might want to add an interesting fact Before debuting Ateez had a Mnet tv-show called Code name Ateez. In one of the episode they had to a dance cover of a popular song ( one part had to be the original dance and the second part had to be original). Guess what song they chose :p They decided to do Wolf by Exo. And what is more interesting is that they were judged and guess who was in jury (our famous choreographer Lia Kim) Also I do think we need to keep in mind that San, Seonghwa weren't part of dance line in Ateez. And that San learned everything dancing wise through being in KQ and seeing the others dance. Also I'm so glad Yeosang has started to find his confidence, you can cleary see how much he evolved from their debut years to know. Heck he is an MC for The Show, so glad for him. Also they have a new member in the Demon line added. The demon line now consist of Seonghwa, San and Hongjoong ;)

Phani

I have had Full daSH stuck in my head since watching so I have to give it to it’s one team. Bobby made a song for the radio not for performing. I also have fallen for Yoon taeyang so it’s one dance unit was it for me as well. I wonder what your thoughts are on the hoobae artists as the “experts”

Doyoungismyult

I think we need to remember that with mayfly team some of them are friends prior to kingdom and they also have a bunch of extroverts. With it’s one...they have tons of introverts who don’t know each other. Also in regards to it’s one rap. They did go with Bobby’s beat but both Sunwoo and Hwiyoung wrote there own parts...also I think it’s so great that they just had fun. In regards to sunwoo in particular I think he needed that because #1. He didn’t have to overcome a fear to try to make the Boyz performance even more outlandish and he got to have fun without being stressed. Bobby was good for both of them. Hwiyoung was great...but as a fantasy since debut I’m just gonna say Hwiyoung is very introverted around people he does not know. He also has a quiet demeanor. I like that he brought something different. Also....mnet cameras are shit (which we have all established) so you couldn’t even see his face for half of his verse to judge him on facial expressions

Doyoungismyult
>>60313070

For it’s one dance they were not supposed to be in sync. They were representing 3 different types of emotions. They even said that in the behind the scenes. It would make absolutely no sense for them to be unified when they are not supposed to be the same emotions

SugandSunshine

I totally agree that Ateez almost out performed the rest of the team in terms of facial expressions and such and it made the other's (except maybe Penial) look like they weren't putting on facial expressions .I honestly preferred it’s one’s dance performance even though I’m a big Ateez and stray kids fan. I’m not saying mayfly’s dance performance was bad because it wasn’t, it was phenomenal but there was something about It’s Ones performance that just got me more then mayfly’s. Mayfly definitely had the rap in the bag though.

Alex Lee

It's all kill from iT'S ONE for me. Like I never knew I need this collab but omg it's such a match made in heaven. Even their names blended perfectly lol  (iT'S and jutaehyuk). I really love Full DaSH. Like it's FIRE. And lyrics are gold. Beginning with song title (F(uck) D(at) SH(it)) and ending with my personal favorite Sunwoo's verse. Double meaning lyrics?? How about triple?? And Hwi in my opinion started that song brilliantly. And I say it being a hater of autotune lol. And Bobby. I'M IN LOVE. Amount of talent is incredible. I think he leads this team well. Even if at first he doesn't want to involve I can clearly see he cares about Sunwoo and Hwi. He made this amazing song. I hope they collab and spill some tea again. JuTaeHyuk!!!!! The choreography, the storyline, the melody, the synergy between them. Everything was soooo on point. They match so well! And the way they delivered the story omg I love their facial expressions. And every detail in choreography damn This stage is one of the best in this show. I wish they collab once again. Like god..it was amazing, breathtaking and magnificent. So gentle and pure but also fierce and powerful! Being proud of the boyz while falling in love with ikon and sf9. How can u not atp????? And baby Sunwoo was so happy. As Chanhee said as long as he is happy everything is good!

Angie
>>60319623

actually a lot of mayfly are very shy even though they're a handful are extroverted, but like you said, they were friends already (most) and it made them more comfortable. Ateez and Stray kids are friends and half of Ateez/Stray Kids were here, so it benefited them that they have the truth and friendship already. Yeosang and even San is an introvert. Seonghwa is often quiet with people. Felix is very shy and quiet ,same with Jeongin, Minho is an extrovert i think, but he keeps to himself sometimes (like here). But Peniel and Wooyoung are extroverts, which makes sense that they took a lot of part in the conversation.

Quil

I really like that you watch the full performances first and then the one with the reactions, I hope you keep doing that for every performance too

ink

When you said mayfly dance team has the least synergy out of the 4 performances here, I was a bit offended because I thought they had the best synergy. But the more I think about it the more I realize Im mostly blinded by their friendship and off-stage chemistry. I do recall thinking the skz members being a bit off when I first watched the performance, but I just brushed it off because I was more hyped seeing these guys coming together and performing on the same stage. But yes I agree, ateez stage charisma is unmatched, while Peniel channels his inner alpha in this stage, so it does leave a bit of a gap in the group energy. I think it is also because even in their own group, these three skz members are more clean and tamed in their dancing style, their wild and "primal" members are all in the rap team (and Hyunjin, but I wont start my depressing essay on how perfect he would have fit the performance)

Shishka

All I take from Kingdom so far, as much as I enjoy all the performances overall, I absolutely LOVE these collab stages. Maybe its my lack of knowledge how companies and entertainment in Korea work indepth, but I do wish we had more collabs between groups on a more regular basis. Majority of collabs with western artists suck (sue me if u disagree lol), while I think this kind of co-produced stages or songs between different korean groups would be a huge benefit to all. Especially pairing up "old" and "new". Example like BTOB and SKZ - SKZ has huge international fanbase while BTOB are veterans of Korean entertainment. Collabing would benefit fans of both groups by introducing one to another. It might just be my wishful thinking however ;p.

Tesa
>>60310159

me too! i wish everyone got to perform like they did in Mayfly

Réka O.
>>60321999

I agree with everything, I planned to leave basically the same comment but I'm so sleepy rn after watching this so I'm glad someone wrote down everything I wanted :D also, while PD was talking about how ATEEZ members overshadowed SKZ members, I was constantly thinking about Hyunjin, I think he would have balanced out the teams perfectly...

Anonymous

PD saying “I thought he(hwiyoung) was the visual, cuz LOOK AT HIS FACE” makes me laugh so hard lmaoooo. What a fact cuz when I was watching hwiyoung rap all I am able to focus on is his face. This man is handsome and he knows it.

Anonymous
>>60317862

If I’m not mistaken they performed growl for the judges on code name not wolf but it was fantastic ;)

Aleia
>>60323821

I'm so glad you brought this up! Because I completely agree. And to my knowledge, prior to like 4th gen and maybe even a bit into 3rd gen groups, there used to be a lot more collabs in kpop, performance wise anyway. I know there is always collabs happening in krnb. But its so refreshing to see groups like The Boyz working with groups like iKon because they have such a different style. Say what you must about Kingdom and Mnet but I personally am really enjoying all the interactions between the groups because we rarely see it nowadays and it reminds me that they all work in the same industry. I hope we get more collabs in the future from these groups cause they are all amazing!

SanjA1800

I'm so glad you chose to watch the full version of the stages before the show version. The audience reaction cuts really kill the momentum of the performances (though tbh the reaction cuts are the only way some of the members are going to get any screentime on the show. Is it just me or does Kingdom play favorites regarding who gets screentime?) For the rap performances I liked both stages. But I enjoyed Mayfly's more because it felt more cohesive. They had five rappers but its still felt like one team. But yeah I wish Minhyuk (Huta's) part was a little longer but it DID have a huge impact. I also wish Zuho performed with Its One team it would have added a little more oomph I guess. For the dance performances, I'm having a hard time choosing. The stages were completely different. Its One's was so beautiful and I loved the concept and execution. Again I do wish Q had also performed (4 egos instead of 3 maybe?) but the three of them did so well. Mayfly's was powerful and I loved the energy (also don't mind this version of the song). If I had to choose I'd probably say It's One because that stage was just soo beautiful but I enjoyed both.

Emi R.
>>60301743

Yes, I added all the scores together to be sure it totaled up correctly 😉

Anonymous

the dance unit need hyunjin

Kiki

I was judging each group based on the 'position' - rap, dance etc. and I wished the judges made some more comments/critiques relevant to that. I actually loved both rap unit performances and like you said it ultimately comes down to preference because one performed like idols and one was more hiphop focused. I think both Hwiyoung and Sunwoo sort of followed Bobby's lead a bit and maybe they were hesitant to give input, but they also said initially they wanted to show a side that they don't get to in their groups, and I think they managed to pull it off really well in Full Dash by focusing solely on the rap. I think the dance result could’ve gone either way. I really liked the instrumental and the concept and how they portrayed the 3 emotions and the story. Obviously you can do more with more dancers, I’m not sure why they limited themselves to 3, but the whole performance was beautiful and let me speechless. For Mayfly, the Ateez member’s energy and expressions really stood out to me. The choreography was a lot more difficult than the other unit and like you said, the Felix jump thing was cool but they barely stayed on it long enough that it felt unnecessary.

Kei G

Alright back again For rap units, it's an easy win for Mayfly for me. I'm not a huge hip-hop fan and for me, I'm always just very meh about rap songs about 'fk you, I'm gonna be me' bc it's such a worn and used topic. The song itself is good, but performance wise, as a TV viewer, was rather plain. If this had a live audience it would be MUCH more hype, but it didn't and so it felt....lacking. In terms of the cohesion, I actually think this may be why Ateez chose the teams as they did. My thoughts are that they've previously worked with SKZ and agewise they're close, so no issues there. For BTOB, they know they're not the kind of seniors to bulldoze ahead without input. On the other hand Ikon has such a strong concept and seniority, that any team with them runs the risk of being overrun. For Mayfly rap, I just feel like the diversity in rap rhythm and beat was more interesting on my ears. I loved them as a group and the whole concept. In the dance team, it's Mayfly again for me. Both teams were, from a competitive dance perspective, notably unclean (not synchronized) but it's much easier to smooth over it with the larger Mayfly group and the pop style honestly. With contemporary/soft styles, it's always very noticeable when members do moves differently and I def thought that detracted from the It'sOne perf a lot while only minorly distracted from Mayfly. I think my largest criticism for the ItsOne team is the....lack of dancing? There is A LOT of downtime in their performance, mostly for acting and while a captivating story, I wanted more dancing. it was beautiful for sure, but by the end of the performance I felt like the backup dancers had danced more than them and that felt weird. I do agree that the Mayfly team wasn't synchronized either, but like I said, the urban dance style lends itself in their favor, as do their numbers. Musicality wise as well, their dance was better. I do wish they hadn't kept the stupid wolf ear dance; it was cringey and ruined the flow of their choreography. As a dancer, I'm confused as to why It'sOne chose to have a small unit. 3 members heavily limits what you CAN do, and even tho they pulled off their 3 egos of 1 king concept, Mayfly was just able to do more and have a more dynamic stage with their 9 members. Overall, I was hugely impressed with the rap performances, but kinda disappointed with the dance ones. Both rap teams brought lovely songs and enjoyable stages. Unfortunately, both dance teams suffered from notable lack of coordinated practice and synchronisation. However, in the end shake out for me, Mayfly wins both.

Sarah Batt

i felt like Mayfly dance performance was a typical cover performance you see on kingdom rtk. it wasn’t so special and interesting as Its One.

Sarah Batt

also there is a huge bias portion in competitions. like ateez and straykidz are so popular and its hard to be objective. you always root for your bias team. i don’t think its a matter of taste or style just full on fandom and popularity. i don’t stan any of these groups so i’m kinda being a little critical or abrupt. sorry

Farhana

I just got off from PD's thoughts on atz-skz-btob synergy and I agree on the facial expression part. I felt that it would be nicer if the skz members went crazier with their facial expressions to sort of match with ateez and peniel's. Nonetheless, it was still an amazing performance!

Anonymous

i think your comparison between mayfly and it's one rap unit is very spot on. one team is portraying the complete idol experience, and the other is giving full on smtm rap. i think the expected outcome was hwiyoung and sunwoo finally being able to showcase a full rap verse for the first time, which coincidently be the type of performance we are used to with YG artists. i personally think that hwiyoung is actually very much in his comfort zone, just not the one we are used to see with him in SF9. his rap reminds me very much of his HSR2 days and I think that's what SF9 hasn't been able to give him. team mayfly on the other hand gave me very much a full-on "idol rappers in a competition" type of stage. they're very cohesive, everyone gave clear inputs for what they want and every part of their stage is very well calculated. it's a fun performance that could not go wrong. in the end, like you said, it's a matter of preference.

Abi

Thank you PD for making me realize why I didn't like Mayfly's dance unit song LOOL I don't like EXO's wolf either and I guess I blocked it out of my head. They all did great anyways! It's One and Mayfly FIGHTING!

Izak
>>60294135

Personally I’m not bothered at all, I’d much rather rookie idols with training than random 14 year olds that have never performed a day in their life judging and if it wasn’t for COVID there probably would have been basically no experts at all , just audience members from the street, fans and they even had trainees from the companies vote on queendom

Anonymous
>>60341112

I used to think ateez were popular but if you see the results on fan votes they are unfortunately always at the bottom so I don’t think that really applies to them but yeah when it comes to voting everyone will vote for their biased team but that is why fan voting shouldn’t be part of the criteria in my opinion or @ least not that big portion :(

Kriss

me again after watching the whole thing. PD I think Juyeon actually didn't flip the table 360. I think the dancers turn it on his foot and then the camera lowers and he flipped it. Also, I told you the performance would be your favorite song Wolf lol. I agree with the group synergy thing, but honestly, I think as someone above said, if Hyunjin was there he would have made it closer in the synergy. He usually is the one that has a closer vibe with Ateez in my opinion when it comes to facial expressions.

Anastasija

Regarding the group synergy for the Mayfly dance performance, I have to agree with you for the most part. Lee Know is a PHENOMENAL dancer in the technical sense, but I think due to his background as a backup dancer he is used to subduing his expressions and doesn't really 'show off' as much. And I hate bringing it up for obvious reasons but I really feel like the missing link is Hyunjin. I think if he were in the dance performance the Ateez members wouldn't have been as overpowering, as Hyunjin is wildly known for his extremely powerful stage presence and captivating expressions so I feel he would've given the Skz members just a little bit more of an edge. Nonetheless I still think they absolutely smashed it and I LOVED PENIELS PORTION. I think he was incredible and showcased his Krumping really well as I often find Krumping doesn't translate as well on screen as opposed to seeing it in real life. Overall I loved everyones stage and I can't even really compare them as they were all so different and I loved them for different reasons.

Christian Oettl

A few points to this episode: 1. The pointing system is so confusing. We get rankings from a few episodes ago while we only get an interim ranking on the actual episodes. So difficult to even keep up. They have to change that cause it is so bad IMO. 2. Bobby and the Rap unit: Bobby said he didn't wanted to do the unit as he wanted to focus more on iKon as a group. But it seems like Mnet really wanted him, that's why his whole thing is like "let's have fun, don't do too much about performance" etc. he said he got motivated once he met the other 2 as they had so much fire in their eyes 3. It'z One(?) units: while Mayfly used all members through the 3 units the other only used minimum of members, which especially in the Dance unit changed the performance they could give. While I get that iKon isn't that dance heavy and SF9 has a lot of other schedules because of individual work it was sad seeing only 1 member of the Boyz, the dance group of their combi not sending multiple people. As the mayfly team said, more members give you a lot of opportunities for the dance and they straight out missed out on that

Anonymous

I loved the Mayfly team the most on rap and dance and at first I disagree with PD*s comment on the dance unit but as he explained I see his point and I think he's right. I.N and Felix were the only ones getting some kind of center but Lee Know was a bit faded in the whole group. At the same time, I do find they fused together very well because they really clicked behind the scenes and I think it shows during the performance. Peniel is definitely not used to be in a leader position, and since he's american i think he's not that used to be in this "hyung" position either, especially as BTOB doesn't make a big deal of the hierarchy ini their group. I was surprised by the song choice cause when I watched Wolf for the first time I didn't like the song at all either, and yet I keep listening to this version. I think getting to watch the performances without the reaction shots makes a big difference. I really enjoyed it's one's performance way more in its fullness than with the reactions. Although my biggest criticism to it is Taeyang's coat, I felt it constricted him so much during the first half when he is such a fluid dancer and so that it was hiding him and making his moves look stiff, especially next to Donghyuk and Juyean so it kept me out of the performance for a long time and I could really get into it once they removed it but then it was the modern music that kinda took me out. And i think the despair was visible all through Taeyang and Donghyuk's parts but Juyeon's felt a bit more... immature in the acting which took me out of it too. I think It's One's dance unit did better than their rap unit, especially in discussing their different ideas and not being too stiffened by the seniorities, and I really really want to see them do another collaboration. If I understood correctly, the mayfly's dance unit had their choreography done by ateez's choreographer, that would explain why Ateez had more "space" to show their expression since it's in their style. I'm still in awe how amazing Peniel did and how charismatic he was (also love love love hearing his singing in the backup music version)

Emi R.

Rap: I preferred Mayfly’s performance. Dance: I preferred It’s One’s performance. There are multiple reasons why, I’m sure they match many other people who commented so I’m not gonna go into it. Round overall comments: I did feel like the Mayfly team “understood the assignment” better like you said. I really like that they used all their members across all 3 performances and I feel like they did better in the conceptual discussions, like starting off a group project on the right foot. I felt the awkwardness of the It’s One units and think that would have improved if more members participated. I mean I was sad Zuho didn’t get to rap and Q didn’t get to dance. I feel like they didn’t get to maximize on the amount of POTENTIAL in those groups even if they didn’t end up performing if I didn’t fit the concept but just helped with planning, choreo or composing. I keep going back to the “No Limit” theme and feel like It’s One overall played it safe from the drawing board. Don’t get me wrong I like every performance! Just something I noticed about this round.

Aleia

I feel like there is a huge problem happening with Kingdom in that just because a certain group has a large fandom, people think they are undeserving of a win, no matter the performance and it kind of discredits a whole group of people as if their opinion doesn't matter. From the perspective of a fan, its really disheartening to think that others view your bias group as undeserving just because they are popular. Like they are popular for a reason. Bang PD said once to ENHYPEN, "The fans aren't dumb. They know what they like, and you have to be deserving of their love." So say a group with a large fan base ends up winning the competition, people will say they didn't deserve it and only won because of their fans. Well yes, that means more people like them than other groups, because of how good they are. It's not to say that other groups are bad, but I think people are forgetting this a competition of well known groups with already established fan bases. Also as far as the fan voting goes, you're able to vote for multiple groups, which as a multifan is really nice, so you don't have to be completely and totally objective with voting. I started skipping over the results of the competition cause I don't care anymore. I just wanna watch them have fun and enjoy their performances without caring about winning or losing but the fan wars are making it difficult for me to enjoy watching the show.

Nanathathalielie

As someone who watched your Livestream when you saw Wolf by EXO I was really looking forward to your reaction to them performing this song lmao

Alex Lee
>>60373531

I guess most people complain not about that certain group has more fans but because mnet gave this criteria 40% and didn't limit amount of fans as it was on rtk (20 fans from each fandom). And this actually made it obvious who's gonna win this criteria. And for "The fans aren't dumb. They know what they like, and you have to be deserving of their love". I kinda disagree with this statement. Lots of trashy people in industry not only in Korea still have fans. So... yes.. there are lots of dumb people. There are a lot of dumb fans. Also there are a lot of things which affect on amount of fans. For example, predebut show. Classic. Big senior group names behind. And of course MONEY. So this statement is like 50/50. U can do your best all the time but still don't get fans and opposite. And. It's mnet survival show. Their reputation itself is really bad. And they also always made that atmosphere like... whoever wins this show will get hate. Every group already got so much hate so... there are A LOT OF problems with this show actually.

aicrylic (aimee)
>>60342641

i say this with all the love in my heart for skz as a stay, i agree with this, and yet i totally believe if hyunjin had been participating in kingdom (because he absolutely would be in the dance unit) he would have matched the ateez facial expressions for sure. i mean, have you seen the mama triangular fight and the victory song performance? lol

333llie

the cover they were playing when they were introducing 'it's one' dance team is you get what you give - radio edit by grace grundy and charming horses

JustCakie

I think Lee Know should probably have lead the dance unit. He has experience leading dance teams and he’s comfortable being a little cut throat to get the best out of people. That being said I think both dance teams lacked synchronisation but they also had barely any time to prepare. We see comebacks that have been practiced for for months in advance as a team. I didnt really expect perfect chemistry

Anonymous

Generally I did like Mayfly more but mostly because their style was more in tune with what I like. I do however agree with the fact that in terms of general skill and performance It's One did a better jobb in both rap and dance. However mayfly did understand the assignment better when it came to rap, because in the end they are competing as idols in rap performance. If they were competing in a show like "show me the money" or "highschool rapper" then I think the roles would have been the reversed. And in the end it all comes down to as said both in the show and your review what your preference is. The thing though that I think It's One did that really set them back in this round in all its units was the fact that they did not make use of their members properly. (correct me if I'm wrong but) The boyz have many members but they only have 2 that really rap Sunwoo and Eric. The same goes for SF9 only 2 members that really rap 3 if you count Chani but he could have been used in the dance unit as he is one the main dancer of sf9. I think we could have gotten a more diverse rap performance by using one more member from the boyz and one more from sf9. It would also have helped in making sure Bobby didn't make all the decisions beacuse the other members would have a bit more courage to speak. Beacuse of how the dance unit made their performance it didn't miss anything. But by using more members for example Q who I consider as one of the best dancers from the boyz, I think they could have pulled even further ahead. As well as by using more members you can show of more synchronisation as well as stunts. I do also think that mayfly fell short when they choose Wolf to perform too. The main dance in the chorus is not that hard but iconic enough that if performing to you have to use. There are much more technical and impressive idol choreos, both in general and in SM. As well as the song requiring some pretty cringe dance moves in my opinion. I do not vibe with howling my dudes.

Kpop_Platypus

I liked Mayfly's rap performance better, for sure.  But then, Bobby produced It's One's song & I've never been into Ikon's music (while I love SKZ's), so that's not too surprising. 🤷‍♀️   I'm also pretty sensitive about autotune, & I thought Mayfly used it better.  The message of Mayfly's song was really touching, esp when Chan said "We spell 'colour' with a 'u' because we do it all for you." 💘  When Minhyuk came in though...😮🖌 I was initially really torn about the dance performances.  I loved the storyline & acting from It's One, and they really made the traditional concept work.  I legit didn't recognize Juyeon when I first saw him in costume; I thought they'd brought in a actor. ⚔🌸   As much as I would've liked to see Q in the dance unit (being that he's my bias) and for all that he can absolutely transform on stage, I don't think he'd have suited the concept they chose. But then, Mayfly did Wolf - which I haven't seen in a HOT MINUTE - & I love EXO & they turned a kind of cheesy song into something really cool. 🐺  Plus I loved the unexpected addition of Peniel & his krumping, and I appreciated that they recorded their own vocals, even if they weren't singing live. I guess what it came down to for me was that both It's One performances made me go, "Damn.  Alright.  That was cool.  인정." 👍  But both Mayfly performances had me cheering and applauding & excited. 😃👏

Anonymous

Mayfly performing Wolf was not so exciting for me and I was a little disappointed. Like looking at the members in the dance unit, I think a different song (or just a non-idol song or some instrumental composition similar to ItsOne) would have elevated their performance. Wolf is such a unique song and I couldn't help to just think of Exo rather than Mayfly (if that makes sense), so in my eyes it felt like I was watching a cover performance (like what PD said, how it seemed like a collab you would see at award shows) rather than a totally new and produced dance performance. So my pick for the dance portion was ItsOne. So I am not caught up with the episodes or who won the dance portion but just purely based off the reactions of some of the judges during the Mayfly performance, I can't help but feel like the dance unit for Mayfly is going to win..... as much as I love ItsOne and I think they deserve this win, Mnet showing majority of the positive reactions towards Mayfly seems like their way of favoring them (not trying to start wars, just trynna point out the unfairness and mistreatment)

Gracie828

I totally agree about the synergy issue for the Mayfly dance team. Ateez really overpowered the stage, whereas the skz members felt like more supporting roles. I think it really came down to how different their performance styles are and the sheer difference in numbers. It did feel more like 3 separate teams in one song. I did feel like the song choice hurt them a little. Overall it was an amazing performance, but Wolf is such a unique performance already and I just didn't feel like they made it truly their own. The ItsOne team blew me away. It was very emotionally impactful and really lingers in the mind. I think the simplicity of the staging and set added to that. I honestly think the increased budget and complex set designs that have been used for the last couple of rounds take away from the performances more than they add to them. This was so refreshing and beautiful. Their acting really brought the story to life. And I appreciated that it was a 100% original performance, rather than a cover. ItsOne definitely took that round for me.

希文 王

very late to this one, for rap I pick mayfly, dance it's one, not sure why they chose wolf to cover, another theory I can think of is that wooyoung mentioned that he wanted to do it, so I'm guessing that since ateez has more members in this unit, the others may have felt pressured to agree (sometimes these things happen), and like you said, the jumping move is cool, but it didn't really add anything to the performance, though I did wonder if it might also be a combination of weird camerawork? no idea, looking forward to the next episode!

Kimberly Su

for me personally, i preferred Mayfly's rap unit more but for the dance units I much preferred It's One team for doing something that truly accentuated dancing and telling a story rather than just 'theatre' and a dance cover.

LivKO

My favorite part of this entire challenge was the universal rooting of every team. It don’t matter if they were your competitors or not- every group was PUMPED for every performance and this is what I LOVE about kpop

Anonymous

kinda late on this, but as a STAY and an ATINY, I agree with you in the difference in their performance charisma. Stray Kids tends to have a bit more of a clean, polished look to their performances whilst ATEEZ is quite theatrical, which I think explains the difference in their stage acting. So when it come to a performance when JUST their dancing and performance is judged, by putting ATEEZ and Stray Kids together, their differences in performance style becomes so obvious.

Anonymous
>>66221547

Also loved your expression on San and Seonghwa's "demon thing" XD

nom

very late to the party but wanted to put my two cents in about kingdom's voting system and why it drives me nut still and why i preferred rtk's voting system. with kingdom they were counting views for every round and youtube was part of the view count, youtube's view algorithm is awful and i don't think i need to elaborate on that. rtk only calculated view counts at the beginning of the final round so they at least had time to make as clear of a determination as they could for that. kingdom was not doing viewer voting until the episode with the first half ranking aired and holding the voting for multiple days which drew out finding out the final rankings a lot and made it very confusing to determine who was actually winning. rtk was broadcasting the performances at soon as they were all done, holding the fan voting at a limited capacity of 20 fan votes per team and doing the team voting at the same time, and getting the count before the ranking announcement so everyone had their final score at the end of the round. in kingdom the votes were done as a whole team and they only voted for their top 3 so not all teams got the consideration i think they deserved. in rtk each team got to have members vote individually with a complete ranking for each round so that each team got some consideration even if they weren't in anyone's top 3 and they still had some mobility in the rankings. rtk was very manageable in terms of voting, at it's peak during the prelim rounds with 7 teams, 6 members voting per team, and 20 fan votes per team they only had to count the votes of 182 people. rtk fan voting also had the top 3 thing which i wasn't a big fan of but at least the teams voting among themselves cushioned that a bit by doing the rank voting. i wish that kingdom had allowed the members of each team to vote individually and not limited them on voting so much because i think that would have changed the rankings a lot.

Q

Regarding wanting to see a documentary on Bobby, I think the old survival shows like "WIN: Who Is Next" and "Mix and Match" kind of does this in the sense they focus on the personal story of the trainees.

Megan Wall

I actually noticed the entire time Bobby just didn’t care and wanted to just have fun, you could see it in ikons stages and this stage. I love that tbh, everyone else was so wanting to win and that’s it but he just felt free.

Megan Wall

I actually don’t understand why they didn’t have more of the Boyz members and sf9 members in the dance part. I was thinking maybe they just wanted to use one person that was the strongest from each time to make it better. It’s interesting how they decided to do that, I loved the performance anyway so they did an amazing job for me.

Juliette

MNet definitely has some say in what each group performed. BtoB have said they wanted to do Missing You for the into and BtoB 4U's Bullseye for round 1, but MNet wouldn't let them. So your idea that MNet may have suggested Wolf might right. Honestly, if you had to do an Exo song that highlighted synchronised dance it would be Growl not Wolf right? Wolf was pretty universally hated when it was released. I find it funny no one expected Peniel in the dance performance, he is the main dancer lol... even if it was decided by wheel of fortune.

Anonymous

Is there any chance to see the video? Or is it gone?