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Keep the Dream Alive Part 3: How the West Was Won (Patreon)

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2022-02-09 14:00:07
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2024-03-10 16:31:03
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In this episode: the calendar gets full; sticking with tape; working with big bands; musical conservatism; owning the means of production; women in recording; love on tour.

Interviews with: Daniel Handler, Beau Sorenson, and Maryam Qudus.

Featured tracks: "Holy Roller" by Thao and the Get Down Stay Down, "Trance Manual" by John Vanderslice, and "Buck and Judy" by Deerhoof.

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Anonymous

I’m so confused is it satire him describing touring as this manic depressive pain because like that’s both completely wrong and misguided, and lame as fuck

Anonymous

Wow everyone in this podcast is incredibly, almost impressively narcissistic, terribly spoken and completely up their own ass

Anonymous

Eek true heebie jeebies

Anonymous

This is a mater class in the audio doc format

Biels Nohr

Another banger, thanks for putting it out, guys

Jim
>>77594582

Have you ever lived with or spent a bunch of time around musicians / composers & creators? I got myself yelled at (by the usual suspects/shock jocks/older millennials/young Gen x? that listen to Eddie Van Halen LOL?) for describing the experience as anything from annoying—>gross—>disgusting. I welcome their H8! I didn’t mean it as a personal slight or as something oppositional toward the individual or musical creation/capture process, however. It’s a very intimate art medium that often requires the artist at best (if you live with them or are around them often) practice or have their mates over at the house (annoying if it goes on long enough), assert their ego w/o being bound by self criticism or shame to perform it, & many composers are very focused &/or manic depressive in their more creative phases & not much fun to be around always. It’s hard for me as the listener too, as I HATE crowds or people breathing on me or being too close, & I either didn’t understand a lot of music or it’s not ‘for me’ & especially when it’s a small venue, slinking away when a musician or performer is trying to tell you something isn’t the most pleasant experience / sort of an intimate & dissonant “felt” (I suspect on both sides?) break? I like live music/smaller venues & grew up with it in Portland or punk rock in SF being around (tho try being a punk in Vegas as the war nerd sez ‘yea, so wat’ to being a punk in SF 1975-2005) visiting friends/relatives there, but it’s been made virtually inaccessible in those 3 cities proper (SF, SEA & PDX). Trying to create/repair/recycle/reclaim/recombine yourself & provide a space or time where others can also do that to degree that isn’t a cult (which bands & groupies/fans can definitely become as they get big & suck-sessful / resonant often more than talented) isn’t easy as a business w/o being swallowed by competitors/bigger sharks, co-opted &/or captured in the modern capitalist world. I don’t think music is easy to ‘cancel’ (or totally co-opt/kill/marginalize) as an art form in of itself, tho forcing musicians to tour to make $, taking away access to local access cable or studio & practice free (low cost/accessible?) time & the nostalgia trap + streaming services that barely pay mid tier & non established big musicians is really doing its best!

Jim
>>77594582

Life on the road is also a brain scrambling thing for those of us not wired for it. I did it more or less as ‘life camping’ as a young man but social mobility & a jumping off point is a big problem & hopping trains & the skid rows in the center of major cities to get together is much less of a thing, anymore. Life in the road, Especially via the airplane or automobile (& ever moreso as our automotive infrastructure was slap-dash constructed like a sorta army corps of engineers thing/single military land acquisition campaign (which is what america sorta is, no?) ~1945-1975 & the point-point ‘just in time’ supply chain & workaholic death cult lemming run is now ~3x the designed capacity & its all 50-70 + years old now). That, & rubber tires are an extreme engineering compromise compared to walking or steel rail wheels for maneuverability, uneven terrain, weight carrying, fragility/failure, & traction being pretty good in the dry/wet (no standing water to hydroplane) & zero on ice. They’re also extremely resource intensive…if there was a material interest in French indo-China it’d be Michelin rubber that owns Citroen now…many SE Asians are starving planting rubber trees for our tires/convenience as many South Americans are for our coffee. As to flying, it’s fully deregulated, regional defacto monopolies & you’re shoved like sardines in a modified bomber (not initially designed to ‘keep’ the cargo safe & on-board per se LOL). They charge you for every little thing, Boeing tried to improve fuel economy on the 737 for smaller flights/point to point instead of spoke & hub transport since connecting flights are unreliable & avg. Joe will pay 30% more for a direct flight/less uncertainty working as many hours as Americans do now. Boeing likes their juicy defense contracts, thin margins passenger travel trying to use existing designs & pinch Pennys on fuel/costs for airline companies isn’t much fun (hence the 737 maxx8 disaster & 777 ‘Dreamline’ debacle). They also broke the machinist strike (partly) by spending & building a new facility in the dirty south (SC) w/poorly trained workers/no labor laws (tho JVS right that blue states are just as racist & anti labor for the most part but brand it differently or pretend otherwise) & making the supply chain more spider web like (more publicly subsidized taxing of transport infrastructure, more oil use overall globally) & tenuous. Sicko world.

Hank

Shut up pussy

PrinceVocalFry

Damn, Stephen Jenkins gave you the old motorcycle drive by

Anonymous

How the west was FUN

Anonymous

I met Steven through my brother and didn't know anything about him other than his music. I said "It's an honor to meet you" and he straight up ignored me and left the room

Joedie Sawyer

I’m hooked just listening to JV and this story, it’s a great interview and so entertaining to listen to, I have very little music knowledge other than being a fan of some bands, just an average music listener who mostly listens to podcasts anyway.

Darren Kennedy

I saw Third Eye Blind at a BMI showcase at the Paradise Lounge and I actually didn't remember seeing them until they came out with their big hit on MTV and then I remember that band with the lead singer that seemed like a frat boy impersonating Jim Morrison. As for SF, and it's decent into a neo-liberal hellhole, more specifically nostalgia for SF's past, check out this clip from Vertigo in the 1950s: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwKIclvOp3o