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We're joined by historian and author Aaron Leonard to discuss his book The Folk Singers and the Bureau, which details the rise of the Communist-adjacent folk scene in America alongside the CPUSA, and the intense (and underreported) repression that followed.


Link to buy the book: 

penguinrandomhouse.com/books/651913/the-folk-singers-and-the-bureau-by-aaron-leonard/

Companion playlist by Aaron: 

youtube.com/playlist?list=PLHCUjL6Jr73FNc_ak3MyOV_V-6Khic2u4


Songs: "Root Hog and Die" -- Woody Guthrie

"You've Got to Go Down and Join the Union" -- Pete Seeger

"Song of Choice" -- Peggy Seeger

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S H

Love y’all coming up with IQ

Jack Nancy

this fuckin rocks. definitely getting this book

KRE

this is extremely my shit, thanks y'all

Pete Seeger

Thanks, comrades!

Anonymous

Great epy

Daniel

Tremendous & informative. I like the cut of this guy’s jib

akazi

wonderful episode guys

malpertuis

Love this episode! Felt like I was sitting in Mr. Leonard's backyard & he was playing records and telling me what was in the grooves of them. (forgive me)

Anonymous

finally, a trueanon episode I can send to my mom 💛

Anonymous

I know i am a minimalist follower but you have my wholehearted support. after seeing you on regular idiots recently, not that you need my advice, if you video'd some streams you could compete with Rogan - Brace Belden and Liz Franczak are great looking on camera!

TangiePower

I learned our government must be strong, It’s always right and never wrong, Our leaders are the finest men, And we elect them again and again, That’s what I learned in school today, that’s what I learned in school 🪕

HATERSLAYER420

i really liked this one. easy to follow, interesting, and the guest is the type of OG who i have a lotta respect for. humble, wise, clearly still passionate. i re-listen to a lot of trueanon not just bc i love yall, but there's just so much info and my goldfish memory can't retain it all. this episode felt kinda relaxing, maybe it was all the folk tunes. (idk why i'm writing a fucking review but whatever too late lol). im a big fan of taking a cultural view of an issue and then extrapolating it to the (usually shadowy) political dealings/administration of the times. makes it feel more grounded in history and less nebulous.

Lou TheGivingFish

does anyone know any good podcasts that intertwine history and music that have song snippets cut into the discussions? Because whatever was happening in this episode, I'm very into it

Evan

Pound sand brace one man bands rule

Claire

I have only ever owned a banjo for communist purposes.

Cole Brossus

I got a degree in Ethnomusicology, and learning that Alan Lomax was potentially a card carrying communist rocks way too much.

Pat

Brilliant episode

Peter Miller

Your guest is wrong. The Soviet Union did in fact provide the answer. And the members of the party and the folk singers who said so were correct.

Bong Bong

Great show!

Izak Kennedy

Heavy radicals is a great book also beats guy right here

Jack

I am or was an eco-doom folk artist but I’ve had a serious block for so long - thanks for this episode! It’s so invigorating to be reintroduced to this buried heritage.

Anonymous

Great ‘sode

Anonymous

Same reason they shot John Lennon.

danny

absolutely gonna read this

Corey Wagner

Im in Kentucky and Kanye is on my absentee ballot

Anonymous

I hate that I know this: taking the ratio (your IQ) / ("average IQ," i.e. 100) and multiplying by your age is *intended* to give your "intellectual age," per Liz's request. Of course IQ is a horseshit statistic. Feel free to push me into a locker.

Julian

I highly doubt anyone would think IQ is a “horseshit” statistic if a certain pet demographic didn’t have a problematically low one which by the way perfectly correlates with their life outcomes.

Zachary Kaminski

Whats the name of the song with the “media would kill you if they could” bit?

Susan Davis

This guy thinks the CPUSA's opposition to Hitler was "sycophancy"? mystifying.

xnfec

I wonder if one of the Trotskyists who ended up in prison under the Smith act was Michael Hudsons father?

James Knox-Davies

I'm late to the chat but I wanted to add that I think this episode presents the relationship between cancellation and irrelevance backwards. That is, that irrelevant persons or organizations are more susceptible to cancellation attempts than relevant ones, and that the public is more likely to forgive a person or party that is successful. For example, when Louis CK was cancelled, comedy in general wasn't in any particular moment of crisis. But his last two specials did suck ass, his ability to make and break careers was slipping, and he had recognizably passed his peak.

Anonymous

Have never been more excited to listen to a podcast episode. Pete Seeger was the hero of the Hudson Valley when I was growing up. In addition to all the cool commie shit he did, he was the reason GE was forced to clean up all the PCBs they dumped in the Hudson River for decades. His memoir is him teaching readers folk songs interspersed with shit like “my hero, Ho Chi Minh” and “Victor Jara was murdered by Pinochet and the CIA.” He ruled. Thanks for this one guys.

will h

dwide shrude

Jacques Robespierre

Fun story it’s still illegal to be a state employee and be a member of the communist party.

john n lomax

Alan Lomax was my great-uncle. Among my dad's generation you hear a lot of strong denials about Alan ever having done much more than attend a CPUSA meeting or two and hang around John Henry Faulk (my son's namesake) too much, and that he knew he was blacklisted and just decided to hightail it to the UK for the better part of a decade b/c it seemed preferable to a grilling by HUAC. And I think he was having a fling with Shirley Collins at the time, too, so why not. I really don't know for sure why both my dad and his cousin, Alan's daughter Anna, are so averse to the idea of Alan having possibly been a Communist, as neither of them are remotely mainstream politically. Maybe his involvement really was that tenuous.

Liam

adios hermanos by Paul Simon. Drops the n-word in the chorus

Jake

This episode was expertly produced