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Episode 20: It's Not Easy Being Green (Patreon)

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2019-10-24 06:19:16
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2021-09-23 21:10:36
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We take a closer look at the big-money greenwashing, friend-to-the-pedos Bill Gates, and possible psy-op Extinction Rebellion

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Dr. Lumpenjoker

How about an Epstein ep every once in a while?

Taylor Borie

I'd appretiate more Epstein info. Especially on his murder. I get that things have slowed down but there's gotta be more info. What theories exist? Who murdered him? Why?

Corey Wagner

Liked the first half, but you guys lost me a bit in the second half, even if I dont totally disagree with what was said....

Tyler Kurth

Anyone complaining about the "lack of epstein" does not understand how it's all fucking connected in some way

David Powers

Why would you hate on coops? I would argue that coops could be a great way for workers to build solidarity and bottom up power. They aren't just for anarchists; Marxists like Richard Wolff (for example) actually see them as essential to socialism.

Jim Zeigler

I thought there were fantastic Epstein points on this one.

Desmond

You guys should talk about the portrayal of the animal liberation front in the Netflix film "Okja"

Neill Martin

The planting trees thing was one of the biggest proposals of Liberal Party or Canada’s environmental platform. So I wouldn’t say its entirely out of the realm of possibilities, however I’d view talk of it with suspicion if neolibs like the LPC are proposing it. God knows what nefarious twist they’ve baked in there.

Peter T.
>>28221673

as someone who was involved with democracy at work I completely agree. It’s also true that starting a working cooperative is one of the most difficult things to do in america. and so I don’t know if it’s worth killing each other over.. but it is indeed THE answer to bull shit in the work place and basically how we do need to organize companies.

David Powers
>>28221673

What makes it so difficult, in your opinion? From my point of view the problems are (1) lack of vision for (2) inability to think strategically about long term goals and plans, (3) most individuals are unreliable and lack the commitment to build something that is a lot of work from the ground up. I'd actually love to talk more about this, I am a musician and would love to build some type of music oriented collective but so far I can't find anyone interested, and don't know where to start. The need for collective action by musicians is obvious, the measly opportunities that used to exist for working musicians are gone, capitalist emphasis on self promotion and competition lead musicians to fight like dogs for little scraps falling from the table. And I think that collective are the most logical form of worker organization in the space--unions don't make sense as a form of collective organizing in this industry in 2019, because all the gigs are gone and they aren't coming back unless some kind of action is taken. (Whether it's possible to salvage the US musicians union is something I'm uncertain about, but without jobs it's a moot point.)

L
>>28236818

i dont think its nefarious its just some scapegoat bs

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Meh.

Sydney

Walked outside today and immediately had a xr flyer fly at me. It just said "NONVIOLENT"

Dr. Lumpenjoker
>>28236818

Also there's still a huge gap between wild woodlands, which scientists propose (effective carbon sink and protection from disaster) and government/business proposals of more monocultural timber plantations, which means almost no net carbon reduction but loads of subsidized cash for landowners.

Dr. Lumpenjoker

How about an episode exclusively devoted to Liz's critique of dancing and horniness?

J

There was an extinction rebellion poster in Toronto that just had a picture of Epstein and it just said “WHAT ABOUT HIM?” lol

Robby Vocke

I can’t tell if the crank-level of this show has decreased or if I’ve just become too much of a crank that nothing short of the moon being fake phases me.

Matthew Gilboy

wow that track around 20 minutes is great! where can I get the mp3? I need a new ring tone that reminds me that im alive and not embalmed in concrete+reber

Matthew Tedder

Y'all should look into Mckamey Manor. They literally torture people and there are allegations of rape and sodomy. The waiver includes using "MK Ultra" and the founder "Russ Mckamey" was in the Navy for 23 years.

Violet Lucca

I really enjoyed this episode a lot, but I’m dying for the Ghislaine episode. I’m reading her mother’s memoir right now and…it all makes sense.

Natalie Grace

Liz what is the name of the great talk on NGO's you referenced? Good ep thanks!

TrueAnonPod
>>28352676

I was thinking of Arundhati Roy's the NGO-ization of resistance you can read a transcript here https://beautifulrising.org/tool/the-ngo-ization-of-resistance but I believe it is part of a larger speech she gave!

Tristram Shandy
>>28221673

I think what you're describing is part of the issue around co-ops. The co-operative movement has gone through waves of expansion in the late 19th C, 1930s & 1970s, fundamentally it is very hard for individuals to amass the capital necessary to create and then go onto run these on a permanent basis. By all means convert existing enterprises into organisations with direct worker democracy, however that is a different set of circumstances.

Tristram Shandy
>>28352676

Thanks for that. Where are the shownotes and details of the works and people discussed listed? Workers of the world unite, and Jeffrey Epstein did not kill himself.

jordan hayward

Hey guys love the pod, kinda counter productive to be negging on XR though. As lame/liberal and extremely vague they are on goals, they are still radicalising young people towards socialist values/ class politics.

J
>>28969473

They're doing the exact opposite: moving people away from any actual political analysis and towards being set up to be put on surveillance lists and/or flipped as assets to avoid jail time.

Alal Alal

Good show but you guys should realize that traditionally being arrested (as opposed to going to prison) is and has been a supremely common form of protest going back to at minimum the 50s or 60s. so that in and of itself is not suspicious, even if it's a bad idea nowadays.

Jozarin
>>28969473

I'd like to say, as an Australian, most of the XR cells in my country are actually very good in terms of their politics.

BL

Love you guys but you should have googled "what is civil disobedience and how does it work" before you recorded this episode, 'cause all this stuff is pretty standard and has a proven record of working, from abolition to women's sufferage. Getting arrested in mass and grinding the gears of the court system to a halt is exactly how the people in my community stopped a giant propane storage facility from being built on the shores of Seneca Lake in upstate NY.

David Nelband

i actually have a very in depth theory about the step father / mother / sister etc, its about late stage capitalism and the loss of social mobility imo

MC Shaughnessy

Can y’all post some receipts on the gates foundation? Wanna look more into, don’t know where to start on the Internet that won’t take me directly to Alex Jones

Ethan Hunt

I went to a few meetings of a local XR chapter in Canada back in 2019. The people I met there were mostly environment grad students or old-school Green Party organizers. They seemed sincere and were actually kind of concerned about getting infiltrated by cops. Ended up helping with some local protests, but not much more than that. It was a pretty small group, so no arrests. Probably leaned more liberal than Marxist, like you said. The Green Party of Canada is centrist, not Marxist at all.

Juliette DeMaso

I have often wanted to physically bar developers in my area from assorted bullshit, and I stop out of major fear of the cops. This is different than how it used to be decades ago.

Katherine Moss

I totally agree about the stepmother thing. It’s definitely a thing. And it is weird. Super late comment. Hopefully I didn’t post this same thing the first time around.