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Who Is Ellen - 84 - HD (Patreon)

Published:
2023-01-19 04:00:03
Imported:
2023-01

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Schemas 3

- At egscomics 

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- Rich's old group

I originally wrote "rules lawyering" instead of demanding, which I don't think really represented Rich's old group well.

For one thing, I couldn't really count on most readers knowing what was meant by that.

For another, what is meant by "rules lawyer" can REALLY vary depending on context, and who's saying it. I've heard interpretations ranging from "person who wishes to accurately follow the rules", to "person who insists on the rules, or ignores them, depending on which would benefit them more".

In the case of Rich's group, while they probably did do the latter, that was not demonstrated.

What was demonstrated was them insisting that Rich know all the rules right away, blaming Rich when they ignored ALL of his story hooks, and making fun of Rich for acting out women characters.

"Demanding" really seems the right way to put it.

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Joe Blue
>>99948472

maybe for some. but most cases I've heard of someone minmaxing, they were doing it to be the "best"

John Trauger
>>99950103

Agreed. It doesn't. The difference is likely ignorance, not malice.

John Trauger
>>99950103

In this case I'd say the behaviour comes from *lack* of experience. Rich's experience is, at least as far as this small slice I've seen of it is...normal. Nobody comes through adolescence intact. Not you, not me, not Rich. Growing up, you can't know how to take a hit until you've taken a hit. Adolescence delivers hits to learn how to take. Intervention would only be needed to keep a kid from being beaten down.. I'd agree with you in those cases. Constant and continual intervention only creates dependence and we each of us need to learn we can stand alone. Normal parental attention and discipline is usually enough for most kids.

Haunted Hermit

Really love the way this story is shaping, Mr. Shiv. Thank you for the representation. 🖤💜🖤

AstroChaos

Demanding does work... but honestly, the word that really comes to my mind is "entitled"

KC

Last panel: *insert Jojo 'YES! YES! YES!' meme"

Thisguy

I have a feeling that Tensaided (who we have established does play) would be rules lawyer. Mostly because he uses the rules to make optimised characters. But still probably on the chiller side of things.

Dan Curtis

time to accept your new friend group and distance your old one.

Anonymous

At this moment, I could totally see Rich looking at Ellen (because you don't just gloss over a paradigm shift), and being like, "Hey... just so you know... I admit it already. You win the bet... but... can we continue the game?"

wargrunt42

https://youtu.be/-xtbAuhhHjg I Ain't No Nice Guy - Motorhead

Opus the Poet

He finally understands! Time to find different friends.

Anonymous

In my particular RPG culture, a rules lawyer was someone who favored the rules over roleplaying as the main fun of the game. It also implied being a minmaxer - someone who thought the point was to "win" the RPG by having the "best" characters and dominating stories. As @Thisguy said, this includes having all decisions be based on "winning" by choosing rules-optimized paths.

M.
>>99937584

I think Tensaided would be the type to abide strongly by the rules, but not the type to use the rules as a weapon. More Lawful Neutral (probably with Good tendencies) than Lawful Evil.

M.

There's the realization I've been waiting for. :) I know what it's like to realize the people you called friends were actually toxic and just not nice people. But that makes it a little easier to recognize when you find some good people.

John Trauger
>>99950103

While it is possible that Larry's friends were actually toxic, they could have just been run-of-the-mill preteen or early-teen boys. "Insecure, demanding jerks" is practically the rule with boys that age. I don't mean to minimize Larry's experience so much as point out that adolescence really sucks and adolescent boys tend to be sucky people until they learn how to cope with what testosterone does to their heads.

Crissa Kentavr
>>99948472

Min maxing is helpful in making characters 'do' what you want mechanically, tho, it's not just about 'winning'.

Bob Grannan
>>99950103

That's true. It's important to recognize that toxic behavior, like any other negative pattern, is a learned thing inherited from experience. The damage it does is real, and people who need to isolate themselves from toxicity should do so, but especially when the toxicity is coming from kids or teens, there needs to be outside invtervention to break the pattern.