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This is a bit of a rarity, but this is the original cut ending of our Borderlands HITB. After a short flow from movie conversation to a new topic we wanted to talk about the WBD Max Warner Bros/Discovery stuff. The ever tanking stock, failed contracts, selling of assets, undervaluing the company's catalogue by 9 billion, etc etc... and of course David Zaslav, the corporate overlord of failure. I had a bit in mind where we pitch our little cartoon, Spitballs, as a property that could save Max from bankruptcy. A silly idea of course, but it came off as too shilly. I mean, we'd love to make a ton of episodes and to have Spitballs be a "real" show somewhere, but we're not totally stupid. Also clearly it's satire and tongue in cheek about animators and unions etc... a pitch meant to appeal to a soulless corporate goon that pretends to care about "stories" and "artists" but is really a penny pinching creep. Sometimes people don't get humor and take things too seriously. So we chopped it off! Take a watch, enjoy!

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Allison PM

Wouldn’t want to offend a mega corporation

Vix S.

Wow how could you Mike I'm offended. Anything is true from a certain point of view. It's almost like you've never seen storage wars!

Robert H. Guinn

I would say Zaslav is the perfect example against people who complain about how much CEO's make. The reason a CEO makes millions of dollars is because their actions can bring in (or lose) billions of dollars. When you've got someone in that position, handing out $50M to get the right guy is a steal. This also explains why CEO's get million dollar severance packages. Zaslav is losing the company billions of dollars. Giving him millions of dollars contingent upon him leaving quietly, before he loses the company untold more billion dollars, makes economic sense. If they simply try to fire him, it can turn into an ugly, drawn-out process that costs the company even more money, causes stocks to go down even more due to uncertainty, and so on. What often seems to go unspoken in these complaints about CEO pay is some fantastical idea that the success of the company is complete random chance and you can just put anyone at the top, so why not just find someone who will work for less. In truth, it's very, very difficult to run a huge company successfully, and it's similarly very difficult to find someone who can do it. You want the best money can buy, and even then it might turn out to be a failure.

Drew W

This kid's a straight shooter with upper level management written all over him.

Joe Bartlett

I think what's most troubling for me is all of the non-alcoholic water being used during this discussion about "Borderlands."

David Park

They wrote a bit, filmed it, then trashed it before airing. It's an extra meta layer on the bit. Brilliant!

Kellic

The junk the show / movie for tax write-off should be #$&^ Illegal. How many movies now have been junked, never to see the light of day because of a damn tax writeoff. I know I'm in the minority but I really wanted to see Coyote vs. Acme.

Kellic

Yeah I noticed that as well. Intentional or not it really worked out to be funny as hell.

Michael Nuccio

GET THOSE BITCHES, STOKLASA!

Bill Wilson

Hi, I'm David Hasselhof, CEO of VVB. Please send 50$ worth of crypto (Plinkoins accepted) or NFT in an unmarked envelope so that I know you're serious.

Michael Nuccio

The theory isn't that it's random chance, the theory is that the concept of the Executive is as antiquated as the King and Village Shaman. None of these guys do anything individually, they are all dependent on an immediate staff around them, and the labor below them.

Robert H. Guinn

I would hope they don't do anything individually! Could you imagine how wasteful it would be for one person to figure out everything for themselves, instead of delegating? It makes one wonder why CEOs exist so universally at big companies, regardless of their field, structure, the composition of their shareholders, and so on. Inertia is one possibility, but another possibility is that they actually do something useful. It is weird that the people with the most knowledge about their company continue having CEOs, and it's the ones who don't have any of this knowledge who are against the idea. See this article for more: https://www.deseret.com/2007/1/25/19998051/thomas-sowell-why-do-corporate-executives-get-paid-so-much/

Joe Triscari

Whenever I see someone using "levered" instead of "debt" today, I assume he's nostalgic for a time when he could have been a high octane, coke-head stereotype in an 80s comedy/action flick.

Michael Nuccio

Well, yes. There is still an "executive function," it's just separate from the actual function, either internal or external, of the business itself. If anything, his actual job is executi-ng (haw haw) the process of the money disappearing to whichever Caymans account or whatever other hidey hole or hidey LLC, as Mike talks about in this clip. Wealth transfer, same reason behind that meme you see of corporate vs citizen performance during Quarantine -- the top 50 largest corporations in the country earned X amount, average Americans lost X give or take enough for it to be memed. Transfer of wealth. Frankly I think this is an inevitability of Capitalism, and is the same behaviour as venture capitalist firms buying companies to liquidate them: I think the richest people are securing a bag for themselves. I think American business already is no longer regarding the consumer as their true client but rather the investor and the start-up, a theory borne out of, most visibly, the state of Amazon's storefront with 24 mercants with names that are strings of gibberish all selling the same spatula. It's obviously repugnant at the consumer level, but Amazon is only looking for, effectively, engagement numbers, since that is what really moves the largest sources of cash these days. As for why we keep doing this, simple; cronyism. When someone like Zaslav gains power, they surround themselves not with "the best," but with people they can manipulate easily. These people also move on to other companies, to serve someone else who is part of the club, and in surrounding themselves with these people and supporting them at every turn, they earn trust. Trust that they will be able to keep that money flowing to ALL the Epstein Islands. But why now? I think they are beginning to realize that the public is growing wide to who they are, so it's time to make like the Nazis did at the end of the war: run. Now, I see that Thomas Sowell article, I've already read a bit of the man, and there's nothing that link is going to offer me. However, it tells me about who I'm talking to, and no one has any further interest in this discussion beyond the two of us, so this is where I'll end it. Solidarity, Comrade. ✊🏼 Edit: Wait, Deseret News? Really? Are you people even allowed to watch RLM?

Neil Peart, Lord of Drums

Now THIS is the content I pay for. Also, please don't make Nowhere Man into an animated short. That needs to be live-action. I haven't looked into WB's structure (because I would never fucking invest in them), but assuming there's no poison pill Microsoft should just go for a hostile takeover at this point. Actually, I'm sure most shareholders are so despondent now that a mildly friendly tender offer would do. If not, I can't imagine a proxy fight being terribly difficult to win. WB is so far in the shitter that it won't sound the antitrust tripwire. The market will see it at a mercy. Then put all the best stuff on Xbox Gamepass and make it into a game and streaming service in one. Launch the streaming portion as just a free addition a couple of months before they stop supporting Windows 10 in October 2025 so people won't as apprehensive about adopting 11 (that doesn't fix the bigger problem of businesses that either won't or, worse, can't switch over, but they'll still be reaping the new subscription costs of the Windows 10-based businesses until at least 2028). They can raise the price of GaMeooviePass six months later. Release new BluRays and boxed sets of all the best content you just acquired while making it more difficult to access without GayMooviePass. Revive WB branding while cutting costs. Split Discovery into different divisions for reality, history, etc., all branded as Discovery [blah]. Make lower-budget games based on acquired properties and see what sticks. And this is all just for the digital content! Oh and guys, you'll have to replace your animator with his non-union South Korean equivalent, but that's business for ya! EDIT: While they're at it, Microsoft might as well just slowly kill of the HBO cable channel over the next five to ten years, and slowly create their own cable service once they've accrued enough IPs. Continue to gobble up foundering media companies, use their enormous funds to create not-shit shows and movies. Ten-year plan to make Microsoft the new cable, so all people need is them and Amazon Prime (and I guess Disney+ if they have kids). Forget about theaters, or bring in a company like A24 to make movies with faaaar lower budgets. Every new Game of Thrones show will be on Microsoft Whatever. Deadwood Continued. The Wire: Beyond Thunderdome. Revive but don't reboot all the classics for which people are nostalgic and make it must-see TV. TellTale-style games for stuff like The Wire, maybe a Call of Juarez style RPG for Deadwood (EDIT: it's half Oregon Trail, half general store and/or brothel/casino manager, and half western-style shooter! That's three halves!), etc. There's so much to do here with this currently worthless company, and Microsoft has no problem taking on the debt. Put in that tender offer baby! Fuck, I promised myself I wouldn't write some treatise on a Patreon comment page where we all just make dumb jokes for fun. I can't help myself. Severe OCD has its benefits when writing academic papers and looking at contracts, but not when I can't stop thinking about this kind of shit.

Neil Peart, Lord of Drums

I'd watch a movie called Beverly Hills CEO, like Beverly Hill Cop but he's acting like it's the 80s and with the 80s soundtrack but the entire world and its people are today and everyone around him is just wondering what the fuck this guy's deal is. It would be horribly awkward. Perhaps more drama than comedy. A man out of space. A man out of time. Beverly Hills CEO.

Neil Peart, Lord of Drums

SAG-AFTRA: Next time you have a strike, maybe don't make your people march in black t-shirts in fucking LA. Try a lighter color doinks. A nice light blue, perhaps. Peaceful, like my mind if I take enough barbiturates and drink half a bottle of Compass Box Hedonism...

Robert H. Guinn

Sowell's column is handled by Creator's Syndicate, a company that distributes its client's columns to thousands of newspapers, of which Deseret News is one of them. Therefore it wouldn't make much sense to let that color your opinion, as Sowell didn't write any of his columns specifically for that audience, and probably doesn't even know which newspapers the column ends up in. I chose the Deseret link specifically because it seemed to have a minimum of pop-ups and ads. Everything I've mentioned, including what's written in the Sowell article that you don't want to read, involves data and information that can be looked up independently. On the other hand, your comments involve conjecture and mind-reading. What you've said could be true, but since it mostly involves intentions and motivations, and that information isn't freely available, there's really nowhere to go with it. Based on this I think you're correct in saying that there's no point continuing the discussion.

Mr. Derek Magnuson

How much do you need to produce a "Spitballs" episode every 2 weeks? I'm not joking. We could probably pool in the money to fund at least 3 months worth, so that'd be a 6 episode lineup. 😄

Carolyn Sicbaldi

Clips like these make me so happy to be a Patron! I genuinely feel like I'm getting exciting, cutting room floor, behind the scenes stuff AND I'm supporting hack frauds! I'd be a backer for Spitballs, too - that is, if it had cost any money to make.

Timothy Liebe

"David's Asslaw"—yes! That's even better than "Mr. Zsasz, er 'Zaslav'"!

Timothy Liebe

So did I—I also wanted to see BATGIRL! I didn't want to see, but feel should have been allowed out for its audience, SCOOB! Burying movies for tax breaks should absolutely be fucking illegal—and David's Asslaw's ass should be in a sling for it, rather than him getting huge bonuses for raping creatives. That's what I'm calling him from now on—"David's Asslaw", because everything he does is ass.

Kellic

Batgirl gets me legitimately pissed. Because it was ready to release from what I understand. All those people put all that work into something being flushed for tax purposes. Makes me want to punch this a******

Timothy Liebe

The best part is? They cut in Asslaw looking like a bobblehead nodding along at Mike's insanely cheap pitch....

Amanda B.

With this WB nonsense and now the news about Paramount television studios, I think it's time for another Beyond the Black Void.

Diane Harten

I just watched season 2 of House of the Dragon, and this roast couldn't have come at a better time