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Unacceptable | Fate UBW EP 20 (Patreon)

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what an epic episode!

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Lupa is Dadi

Archer dropped the most hardest advice on shiro about shiro eventually becoming just like him a machine killing people to save people (going against their ideals) and shiros response was “it’s ok bro you’re not me” without fully comprehending what any of that means.

Ace X
>>114069342

Shirou is just THAT guy. Archer wouldn't understand.

Crimson Maou
>>90869360

Bro you have no clue what you're talking about. Archer is a completely different Shirou who made different decisions than this current Shiro. The moment Archer appeared before Shirou it was impossible for Shiro to become archer. Because otherwise Archer would know from the start that it was impossible as he would have lived through these events, but he didn't. Bro doesn't even understand how any of this works. Archer didn't go 'back in time' and is facing his past self, he's facing a complete alternate timeline Shiro. The decisions that led him to becoming a counter guardian were made by himself, not this shiro.

Luqha
>>90869360

Explain how there is any plot armour here?

Luqha
>>114069342

No shirou did fully comprehend archer, but despite that he still wants to become a hero of justice.

Emmanuel

LETS GOOOOO

Anonymous

Lesssgooo, I’m eating breakfast to this

Homura

Can we just appreciate how good the writing is here? Saber is literally watching her own inner conflict be resolved right in front of her by the two Shirous. This aspect of the episode comes to a head when Shirou is shown pulling the sword from the stone, which is a direct reference to King Arthur and is symbolic of the responsibility and pain that a Hero chooses to take on, a choice that Saber and Archer regret, but one that Shirou embraces.

J

Yeah I would probably agree getting stabbed in the heart and killed probably wasnt part of kirae's plan

Dyno

Yea, this Lancer is Cu Chulainn, and he does not die quickly. In his legend, when he was killed after soloing an entire army, he then tied himself to a rock with his own guts so he could still be upright while continuing to solo the army some more, and then even after he died, a soldier came to make sure and as Cu Chulainn's spear drop, it took off his hand.

Infierno23

To anyone watching this show for the first time here how is it? I have heard good things about this series animation but storywise? Also from what i've seen of some of the designs for the characters its like they made the designs then drew a name from a hat lol.

Javier V2221

For being one of the main villains of the series, Kirei’s death in UBW was pretty lack luster imo

NeoSpotLite
>>67409748

He's not the main villain of the UBW route. Each route focuses on different servants and have different enemies.

BZD

Lupa asking if Shirou is becoming a champion made me think of digimon. And I don’t even watch digimon.

BZD

They’ve shown Shirou healing oddly fast before, but I don’t believe they mentioned Avalon.

BZD

Just because you’re correct, doesn’t mean you’re right!

Jazko

Correct me if I’m wrong guys. But I thought the only reason why Archer didn’t kill Shirou yet was because he wanted to break his spirit first. Because technically Shirou can still give up his afterlife to become a heroic spirit, which is why Archer said something about killing his spirit will kill him. Shirou confirms in this episode that even if what Archer is saying is true, his resolve is even greater, and now he doesn’t care about the suffering he will go through

Blue Minotaur1212

Ok maybe I’m crazy but where the hell is assassin in all of this? The real one?

WuffleIron

They showed a glimpse of the scabbard when Saber was summoned. Which is also why he kept healing pretty fast from wounds.

Emil
>>67409718

what do you mean? the characters are based off of historical figures and they all fit into seven classes; saber, archer, lancer etc.

dertrollzero
>>67410402

Yeah this makes more sense . Archer definitly wanted to kill shirou

robert gibson

When he first someone’s saber they showed Avalon. I think you guys even pointed it out.

hokeypokey
>>67409748

I think considering that there are 3 versions of the story that play out differently it is fine for some characters to shine and some and not in the others.

Yanpo

Villains like Kirei should die like that more often. The more narcissistic the more unceremonious their death should be. Aizen's end would've been absolute perfection had he died during Gin's assassination attempt.

Shinramain

Just to clarify, they did show Shirou having "healing abilities" which Saber commended him for after the fight with Berserker. He got hurt badly but then his wounds healed magically. That was Avalon's protection. Then it stopped working when Caster stole Saber from him right up until this moment. But yeah, you guys were on the money about the summoning: Just how the pendant was the catalyst for Rin summoning Archer, Avalon was the link Shirou had to summon Saber.

Jazko

I also want to highlight the writing and symbolism of this fight. There’s a scene where Shirou pulls a sword out of the ground. This directly relates to Saber. She regrets the responsibility she gains and the deaths of her comrades from pulling the sword out the stone, but Shirou completely embraces the suffering. You can also highlight so many foils, Saber and Shirou Archer/Shirou and Gilgamesh Etc I type like a retarded English teacher

Jazko
>>67410425

Assassin got summoned by Caster. She had time to get mana to summon him before the deadline or whatever

Eirei_Emiya
>>67409748

Well, he is pretty irrelevante for UBW and if You come from the Fate route, where he actually is presented as the final villain, his death in UBW shows just how sudden you can die due to carelessness.

Syd

dw, kirei isn't supposed to be the main antagonist of ubw. He's the main antagonist for HF

Infierno23
>>67409718

I know my opinion isnt a popular one, but i'm a fan of mythologies of all kinds and some of the designs i've seen regarding Fate's depiction of some mythological/historical figures are super random and it annoys me.

Jeff TK

that timing for the doorbell ahahaha!!!

Viela Guay
>>67410828

Also has a better antagonistic role in the Fate route as well. It's just that coming off F/Zero you expect Kirie to have a bigger role as well just like Sakura lol

Viela Guay
>>67410190

They've mentioned it indirectly. UBW just assumes you've already done all the king arthur stuff from the Fate route so they just never bring it up

Viela Guay
>>67410425

Real assassin only gets summoned in the HF route. There's only one "assassin" class vessel prepared by the grail so they can't coexist

ZeroRequiem

I cannot wait.... for their reaction to Heaven's Feel :D I'm loving these reactions.

Anonymous

Do they still think Shirou and rin are 14?

Trequan Williams

Love these reactions can’t wait for the next one 😁 which will be when lol cuz I don’t know do y’all have a certain day for fate or is it jus random lol JW not tryna rush y’all jus love fate and yalls reaction to it

Kaleb
>>67412459

They post them every Monday, exceptions being when they got something going on

DevilMayCarter
>>67409587

Is it the same Cu Chulainn from that one episode of Gargoyles I wonder? Hound of Ulster I think it was?

Emiliano Reyes Andrade

The moment Last Stardust starts playing everything becomes masterpiece of a scene

Emil
>>67409718

which ones are you thinking of in particular

Anonymous

We’re so close to the legendary Heaven’s Feel movie fights

ApplePieOG

When stardust plays, I start crying

JsnSkg
>>67410828

Lmao why do ppl keep saying Kirie? He's not Nero's gf in Devil May Cry. KI-REI. It's not that difficult. Adding a whole extra syllable.

JsnSkg
>>67411830

Bruh, idk if I've ever been more hyped for a reaction than their reactions to HF after these. But I'm also quite hyped for their reactions to last few eps of UBW.

JsnSkg
>>67414156

R v SA is my favorite. but B v SA was also epic af.

s4ean

Just a FYI guys, Rin and Shirou are both around 17 years old here.

None None

In Fate/Zero, Saber's wish was just "undo the fall of Camelot". After all the stuff that happened in Zero, with Iskandar, Kiritsugu, and Lancelot making her question whether she was worthwhile king, she updated her wish to "undo the fall of Camelot by making someone else pull the sword from the stone and be less of a fuckup than I was". Now she gets a front row seat to someone else trying to undo their past and seeing what their younger self would think of someone popping up and trying to convince them they're about to do everything wrong.

Trent Ward
>>67409718

Tbh most fate shit is trash, boring and or mediocre. I damn near fell asleep watching the heavens feel movies. The only thing worth watching is fate/zero In my opinion. If you like ancient mythology and figuring out how fate uses these legends as a template to make interesting characters I would say you may enjoy it though.

Anonymous

archer needs to break shirou's spirit before killing him, otherwise shirou would just become a guardian or whatever after his death again

Mikal Adkins

Shouldn't Archer also have Avalon inside him or no?

Nana
>>67409718

Give it a try but if designs are something you can’t get over this won’t be for u.

MWS

lancer didnt withstand the command spell, he did kill himself, he gave himself a wound that would kill him, just not quick enough to prevent him from killing kirei

PyroPhoenix

I also think the same thing. Archer is still shirou at heart. He wants to make his past self of his choice of beocming a champion of justice and where itll lead him. He also wants to make sure he doesnt make the same mistakes that he did when he went through it

Reign

Thats why Cuu is the man and a fan fav. Dude was compelled to kill himself and still got back up to do the right thing and set things straight. Man just never got to show off his skills being held back the whole war then clapped in betrayal. He got to let loose one time and basically man handled Archer into the ground lol.

earthphoenix7068

What if the future is an alternate timeline? Really makes you think.

None None
>>67429184

IIRC, the World intentionally let Avalon fall into ordinary human hands so that Saber could be summoned in the grail war (the Fate route went more into why it needed her specifically to be summoned as Saber). The World eventually just took it back when Shirou got older because it was no longer needed. There's some stuff about how legendary items only keep their power as long as there's an air of mystery to them, so leaving something like Avalon in ordinary hands runs the risk of permanently depowering it.

Reign

They literally told you shirou was basically on deaths door when kiritsugu found him and used avalon to save him. Sabre doesn't need to be there for avalon to work the avalon kiritsugu had was the genuine thing they used it to summon her in the first place. Archer literally explained it during the monologue lol. The difference between the timelines is here tho Archer doesn't have avalon anymore and shirou does meaning his future can change. Archer gave up Avalon during his version of the war to sabre ( similar to fate route ). That was suppose to be the significance of this scene archer didn't know shirou still had avalon because in his timeline he gave it back to her pretty quickly. Avalon cant prevent death lol lancer destroyed shirous heart. Avalon can't heal that lmao. Lancers spear is also cursed so that's why he was dying not because sabre wasn't around avalon was used to save him in the first place.

HeiKira

"I'm gonna kick my ass!". I'm dead

Dublis91

The whole Last Stardust sequense with Sabers scabbard just moves me like no other. I love this anime so much.

Danny

yeah ubw is basically "ima end my own career" vibe

s4ean
>>67434236

Assuming you're someone familiar with the other routes, as someone who's not I can say their conclusion was a fair one to come to. I was not aware Archer no longer had Avalon here, he doesn't mention it, and there's no reference made to the difference in he and Shirou's timelines that I can see. Also, in Fate/Zero, I believe there's a scene where Irisviel is injured while Saber is away, but she doesn't begin healing until Saber comes to her side. Irisviel mentions this, that Saber's magic allowed this. Avalon only functions when Saber is close enough to feed it her magical energy, and its true potential is greater when the servant has a contract with the master. Saber was already gone when Kiritsugu implanted it within Shirou, but residual energy was enough to resuscitate him, and it became just an artifact afterwards with no power until Saber was summoned again.

Chinese Cartoons
>>67429184

It's also worth noting that when a spirit is summoned from the Throne of Heroes they bring their Noble Phantasms and whatever "equipment" is associated with them. No matter how long Archer may or may not have possessed Avalon it would never be associated with him, it is inextricably tied to King Arthur. Thus when Archer is summoned he should no longer have Avalon, only the living Shirou who has possessed it continually from childhood still has it physically.

Kyz Edwards

This episode right here solidified shirou as one of my favorite main characters in anime, after reading the visual novel, him and cloud from final fantasy 7 are neck and neck for my favorite fictional characters of all time, I love shirou’s self evaluation, honesty and most importantly conviction

Grelk

ya'll gonna react to the animated injustice movie coming soon?

Ohais
>>67432391

I mean it technically is. As long as it's still in flux and has yet to happen, they are innumerable possibilities, and thus many alternate timelines

Poomiee

They did Kirei so bad this season dude was like Bron in fate zero

Gate

Hey, That's hell you're walking into

E.j. Pennine
>>67435853

As much as I love the sub, for this fight, I think the dub did it slightly better with Bryce. There seemed to be just a bit more emotion coming from Shiro, not just confidence.

13

Was it explained in this version of UBW why Shirou is so proficient with the weapons he conjures? Edit: yo I know how it works… I was asking because I dont remember if I got the info from the LN, another anime, or a game

David
>>67472354

not sure if the anime touches on it but the way it works is when he copies a weapon he also copies the original users skills with that weapon.

David
>>67409432

not to be that guy but this is why Saber is the best heroine. they are literally soul mates

Sheron Taylor

Is it me or him not just having the scabbard but the symbolism when he pulled the sword out was like a new King Arthur being born 👌

Victor

To be fair, Avalon did appear for a brief second when Saber was summoned in Episode 1. But I guess it happened too quickly.

Ougi
>>67472354

Trace on traces and copies the materials, the forging/creation process, how long it's existed for, its history, the skills of its wielders and 2 more things I cant remember

ChaosVesperia

Kirei putting his hand on Rin where he did wasn't sexual at all. He was gonna jam his hand through her chest and take her heart., hence why it was in a flat pose with fingers straight and not groping or anything like that Also, they literally said the previous episode or two that Archer wanted to destroy Shirou's spirit of wanting to be a champion of justice as well as kill him, since just killing him wouldn't stop him throwing away his afterlife to become a Guardian since his wish to be a hero of justice would still be there.

Uni
>>67434236

Also you gotta keep in mind Kiritsugu was still healing from his fight with Kirei so He chose to save one instead of his own which is why he was dying while raising Shirou regardless of the curse from the greater grail. ( If ya think about it )

Austin Yun
>>67481039

Yea I'd say the scabbard is the symbol of the Fate route, pulling the sword is the symbol of UBW, and the grail is the symbol of Heaven's Feel. Funnily enough we know how Saber feels about having pulled the sword out now...

Venom9518

I think I understand shirous magic. He can project weapons but they're basically hollow so he mixes the fortification with it so it can actually be used as a weapon

Victor
>>67432114

I mean it is not only Cú Chulainn. Every Lancer class servant in the series has been done dirty one way or another. They have their shining moments alright, but too few comparing to their potential.

Antonio Bacon

Is it a plot hole that shirou apparently had Avalon in him the whole time but needed rin to save his life in episode 1?

Anonymous
>>67543202

He needs Saber besides him to use the Avalon, u may see more about it in Haven's feel.

Homura
>>67543202

No because at the time he hadn't summoned Saber, so Avalon was still dormant.

Antonio Bacon

Thanks for the info I was just confused lol

medidas

I can relate Archer is literally the guy cringing at his old DM's

Michael Hernandez

Not sure is this has been asked already but will y’all be reacting to the Heavens Feel movies after finishing UBW?

Viicsta

Sick reaction, something to keep note of is I noticed Roshi was trying to process the scene where Shirou said I am the bone of my sword but in Japanese nothing too serious but Archer's incantation is always English where Shirou's will be Japanese

Anonymous
>>67551056

I hope they do, I have a feeling they will find Heavens Feel more fulfilling than UBW.

Sun
>>67551056

Yes, they stated in the first episode of Zero that they will be reacting to HF.

Jake Young

Damn Roshi is really understanding these concepts fast! Hes getting all of it right

Inug0d

Idk I'd be scared of 14 y/o me.

chou sion

stuborn ahh mf, fucking plot armor coming into play again, idc about shiro bur his decisions led to the hell that is the life of archer so he should die.

BZD
>>90869360

Just wanted to clarify something, it wasn’t Shirou who made those decisions for Archer. Archer made his own decisions. They are two different versions of Shirou. Archer is more a possible future self than he is Shirou’s future self.

chou sion
>>90869360

Archer is still the result of shiro's ideology, he was only created becuz of the idology and way of life led by shiro. I would pop that mf in archers place 😂, and ofc it's a possible future self cuz the past can always change creating new timelines and we know a lot of timelines exist in fate

SquaaaSquaaa
>>90869360

Well if we're blaming this on ideology, shouldn't the blame come down to Kitsurugi? Shirou did get his whole concept from him after all.

szeth
>>90869360

Yeah idk if you really understand BZD's point. You keep blaming Shirou but it's literally archer who did those things to himself and understands the consequences of his actions after the fact whereas Shirou has beliefs from his adopted father that have been with him all his life. Your logic is if anyone's future self ever appeared to tell their present self not to do something, the present self would listen in every scenario. Plenty of people, if their future self appeared, would not change a thing even if told they are heading down a horrible path.