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James looks back over the First Opium War (and Federico da Montefeltro) and tells more stories that didn't make it into the episodes!

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First Opium War - Lies - Extra History

James talks about our mistakes, and adds additional stories, for Federico da Montefeltro and the First Opium War! Support us on Patreon! http://bit.ly/EHPatreon Grab your Extra Credits gear at the store! http://bit.ly/ExtraStore --- (Episode details below) ___________ Subscribe for new episodes every Saturday! http://bit.ly/SubToEC Learn about the disastrous Macartney Embassy that tried and failed to improve British trade relations with China: http://bit.ly/28Ro4B1 Play games with us on Extra Play! http://bit.ly/WatchEXP Talk to us on Twitter (@ExtraCreditz): http://bit.ly/ECTweet Follow us on Facebook: http://bit.ly/ECFBPage Get our list of recommended games on Steam: http://bit.ly/ECCurator ____________ Quick story about Federico da Montefeltro: after losing an eye in a jousting accident, he ordered his doctor to cut a divot out of his nose so that his remaining eye had a better view and he could still fight in battles. Now on to the Opium War! The Macartney expedition did not draw on the knowledge of Jesuit missionaries or even merchants who were familiar with Chinese court customs, because the British felt that a noble like Macartney was the only fitting representative. He didn't come prepared to handle the kowtow, and he didn't understand that the Chinese would have been more interested in British agricultural tech than they were in trinkets. James reads the disdainful letter which the Daoguang Emperor wrote to King George III in response to the embassy. There also happened to be a political upheaval in the Chinese palace at the time, so if the British had arrived sooner, they may have met with a different result and avoided the Opium Wars entirely. Once the war came to a head, it caused great division in Britain. Even though it was a war to sell illegal drugs, it was often recast as a war the Chinese provoked by insisting on the kowtow and treating other nations as vassals. Two traders by the names of James Matheson and William Jardine helped tip the scales for war because it helped their business, which had gotten a huge start in the opium trade. The Jardine-Matheson trading firm still exists today, and is a multibillion dollar company. Back in China, the British blockade of Canton's port led to an odd first confrontation. A British ship called the Royal Saxon ran the blockade, so the British fired a warning shot to make it turn back. The Chinese, to prove they still controlled their sovereign waters, took this as an opportunity to challenge the blockade. Thus, their defense of a British smuggler led them into a war that, ironically, was about stopping British smugglers. The British official directing the war efforts, Charles Elliot, found himself in an awkward situation. He loved his country, but he morally objected to the British agenda in China. He tried to pave a moderate path, only to be fired and reviled as a failure. But after he left, the war truly got vicious. The British committed many atrocities in their campaign. They never sought to hold China, however, because their wars in India had taught them how impossible such an undertaking would be. Thus they settled on the unequal treaty. And as for Walpole... well, he started it, of course. Tea became such a large part of Britain's economy because of the large tax levied on it. And who levied that tax? It was Walpole. He actually repealed an earlier, heavily resented tax and got political accolades for doing so, then introduced a much higher tax under a different name that flew under the radar even while it brought in hundreds of thousands of pounds for the government every year. The government's reliance on tea for funding would later propel them to take such extraordinary measures to secure access to tea via Chinese trade. So who really started the Opium War? Well. It was Walpole. ____________ ♫ Get the intro music here! http://bit.ly/1EQA5N7 *Music by Demetori: http://bit.ly/1AaJG4H ♫ Get the background music here! The Land of Vana'diel (Album): http://bit.ly/1t2OT9L *Music by Tweex ♫ Get the outro/series music here! Waning Moon: http://bit.ly/23isQfx Watch the Music Video: http://bit.ly/2anChIG *Music by Sean and Dean Kiner: http://bit.ly/1WdBhnm

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Anonymous

Thanks much for a great series! Looking forward to the next one. *Kitty Grin*

Anonymous

Be interesting to see if that explanation of how topics are suggested results in a surge of patrons.

ExtraCredits

Interestingly enough, even though James has mentioned the votes on Lies before, I usually see the biggest surge of new patrons right at the beginning of a new series. Which is great, but I'm always like... folks, you just missed the last vote! There won't be another one for seven weeks! Hopefully we keep them entertained enough that they're happy even if they have to wait a while. :)

Anonymous

Is Walpole's order called the Order of the Bath or Baf? Now I'm curious on how many connections that political favors system has.

Anonymous

John (or Jon) may be a corruption of Hon. The Honorable East Indies Company was sometimes abbreviated as Hon. EIC. Thus, John Company. British sailors were notorious for corrupting names; especially foreign names. For example, HMS Bellerophon was commonly referred to as Billy Ruffian.

Jessica Cheeri

I was trying to remember where I'd heard of Federico da Montefeltro before until I was rewatching the old James Burke Day the Universe Changed ep about how rediscovering optics led to changes in art, architecture, and city planning with Urbino being a great example of all the ideas coming together. I hadn't heard Frederico's story before your Urbino video though, so I'm happy to see how he got to the forefront of Renaissance innovation.

ExtraCredits

I think it's plausible, although apparently the problem is that there are so MANY theories that it's hard to trace any one of them as an accurate origin story.

Anonymous

I love the lies thanks for the shout out in lies and you got my name right a frist.

Anonymous

I know EH doesn't normally do additional reading recs, but I'm trying to pick up some basic grounding on English and Chinese relations during the early 1800's as background from some essays about Naomi Novik's "Temeraire" novels and I really just can't seem to find my footing anywhere.

Anonymous

That was an awesome series. I LOVED the part about Federico and the start of the renaissance. Keep up the awesome work guys! :)

Anonymous

I found this series to be very interesting, especially since I know very little about the opium war. A question I did mean to ask but didn't get around to, while I understand this is diving into speculation but from what you found while researching the topic, do you think China had a chance of winning the first opium war? As much as British Empire was treated like this unstoppable force, the reality was quite different and China was no a push over.

Anonymous

I love the lies videos (and the extra history channel), they're a great idea that I've not seen elsewhere. I wonder if comparing 10% of all revenue from tea at the time to a 10% of all revenue from a modern state with income taxes (non-existent at the time to my knowledge) was a fair comparison though. Adding also that education, health care and social securities were not the huge expenses that they are now and it seems to me that 10% of a smaller scale government is not the same as 10% of a modern "social state" and is somewhat like comparing apples to oranges (with 10% staying a big portion of revenues). Thanks.

ExtraCredits

I LOVE the Temeraire novels! League of Dragons (the final book) is next on my reading list, right after I finish "Children of the Earth and Sky" by Guy Gavriel Kay. Anyway, we can occasionally do additional reading recs, when I can successfully track down James! He recommends the following: "The Opium Wars: The Addiction of One Empire and the Corruption of Another. It's not perfect, but it' a lot more modern and readable than what I had to dig through. Maybe Canton and the Bogue : the narrative of an eventful six months in China if you want more about the very first contact (or there's a whole bunch of books about the East India Company if you are looking for something that covers the period between first contact and The Opium Wars)."

ExtraCredits

Glad you enjoyed it! Federico is already a favorite on our team. I just saw Carrie (who couldn't remember his real name) refer to him by making a swiping gesture over her nose, and the whole team was like "Ahhh, yes!"

ExtraCredits

So this is just my opinion, and I'm not nearly as well-read on this matter as James or even Christina (who's been leaving a lot of helpful comments about). But for me: Possibly if the starting conditions were different. If, for example, they did that modernization of the army that one of the commanders wanted. They'd have probably had to focus heavily on their navy and their coastal fortifications. Then I think they may have been able to hold the British off, since overseas wars of that nature are really, really expensive and difficult to wage and China, as you rightly point out, had a lot of resources and no shortage of military know-how. But all of that rests on the hypothetical that they could bring all those military resources up to par fast enough AND that the British would be content to sit back and let them do that, both of which are pretty big hypotheticals. With resources as they actually were at the start of war, no, I don't really think China had a chance, because the British naval strength (especially with that ironclad that could operate in shallow waters) was just overwhelming in a conflict that mainly centered around control of ports. -Soraya

ExtraCredits

I'm not James, can't comment on his thought process! I would imagine that you're right that the scale on which government operates today is so much larger that a direct comparison isn't historically viable... but as an example to get people to try and wrap their head around just how important tea was to the economy at this age, I think it does its job! -Soraya