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Suleiman the Magnificent - IV: The Shadow of God - Extra History (Patreon)

Published:
2016-04-01 15:41:21
Edited:
2018-05-15 03:20:08
Imported:
2022-01

Content

Once again, Hungary calls to Suleiman: it's his best chance at western Europe. But the opposition's grown fierce.


Earlier Post: Check, check! Is this thing on?


Hi, folks! Soraya here. I'm stuck in an airport and I have managed to lose my laptop (my phone says hi!), but like the US Postal Service I have a delivery to make and I will not be stopped from making it.


Here is your early access! It may not have the usual YouTube bells and whistles (I'll find a way to add those later) but the video is there in all its glory. Enjoy!

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Suleiman the Magnificent - IV: The Shadow of God - Extra History

When a dispute arose over the control of Hungary, Suleiman saw an opportunity to extend his empire into Europe and gain allies from those who'd asked for his help. Though he took Buda quickly, Vienna had time to fortify against him and pushed his troops back. Support us on Patreon! http://bit.ly/EHPatreon --- (Episode details below) Grab your Extra Credits gear at the store! http://bit.ly/ExtraStore Subscribe for new episodes every Saturday! http://bit.ly/SubToEC Watch the Suleiman the Magnificent series! http://bit.ly/1nBF8i9 Play games with us on Extra Play! http://bit.ly/WatchEXP Talk to us on Twitter (@ExtraCreditz): http://bit.ly/ECTweet Follow us on Facebook: http://bit.ly/ECFBPage Get our list of recommended games on Steam: http://bit.ly/ECCurator ____________ Suleiman looked back on those heady days, and wondered how his victories had all turned to ash... After the Battle of Mohács, Suleiman found himself quickly pulled into the politics of western Europe. The Queen Mother of France asked him to intercede for her in a quarrel with the King of Spain, and the Austrian Hapsburgs had claimed Hungary as their own territory despite his recent victory there. The Hungarians, meanwhile, had elected their own king John Zápolya and refused to acknowledge the Austrians. Suleiman decided to settle the matter by marching with his armies again, and found Zápolya a willing ally. Bad weather slowed his advance and cut his numbers, but he nonetheless took Buda by storm and made an example out of the Austrians they found there. When they got to Vienna, however, they found that the city had been fortified and reinforced by several European nations. Though Suleiman offered a king's ransom to the first man over the walls of Vienna, his troops just couldn't push through. The arrival of winter forced him to withdraw the siege, unsuccessful. He pretend to consider it a victory, but he knew that this defeat meant he'd never be able to acquire the European empire he had dreamed about. Besides, he was growing older, and the question of succession weighed heavy on his mind. By tradition, only one of his sons would be allowed to live and inherit the throne, but he couldn't bear the thought of his beloved Roxelana forced to watch her sons die. Especially considering his most likely heir, Mustafa, wasn't a son of Roxelana's at all. The quandary weighed heavy on him. ____________ ♫ Get the intro music here! http://bit.ly/1EQA5N7 *Music by Demetori: http://bit.ly/1AaJG4H ♫ Get the outro music here! http://bit.ly/23isQfx *Music by Sean and Dean Kiner: http://bit.ly/1WdBhnm

Comments

Anonymous

I don't have any questions, just wanted to say Extra History is one of my favorite shows. I'm so glad that you're telling interesting stories

ExtraCredits

Thank you! We love making it. It's fun to do a bit of storytelling in addition to the more essay-like tone of Extra Credits

ExtraCredits

Also, I just saw this button on my phone and pushed it, so I guess this is an impromptu QnA/chat session or whatever we want to make it

Anonymous

I bet this ends in tragedy. History always ends in tragedy....

ExtraCredits

I was actually just wondering the other day, could I think of a subject for a one-off that didn't have a sad ending? ...So far still wondering.

Anonymous

Go find your laptop!

Anonymous
>>1586098

Well, naturally. What other than tragedy could be considered an "end"?

Anonymous

I get to see the nope camel!

Anonymous

Impromptu question for an Impromptu Q&A: What two historical figures do you think would have made the best allies if they had lived at the same time?

Anonymous

Another excellent episode. Loved the nope camel and I smiled to see the GL's ring of Will. ;-)

Anonymous
>>1586122

For just any subject? You could do a one-off on the adoptions of the Gregorian calendar. It's a hilarious tale, involving lost days, suspicions of a catholic plot, a February 30th and much, much more.

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>>1586175

Hmm. That's actually hard because a lot of the people that I would LIKE to see form interesting ahistorical alliances were competitive jerkbags who probably wouldn't get along. But let's go with Cicero and Benjamin Franklin. Whether you put old Kiki into Ben's time period (start of the republic) or Ben into his (end of the republic), I think it would have changed things in very interesting ways. And I'd love to see that snark.

Anonymous

Hey, Thanks so much for putting in an explanation of Ottoman succession. It's such an important part of understanding larger Ottoman history!

Jim McGeehin

The effects of the weather on this campaign were immense. While Suleiman had a vast army at his disposal, many of his best fighting troops caught sick during their journey through the wetlands during the punishing summer and autumn rains. About a third of Ottoman troops were trained as light cavalry, unsuited for siege warfare or storming the walls. Suleiman was fighting with a hobbled army, while the Holy Roman Empire had taken the time to fortify their walls with earthen ramparts. During the battle, the precipitation was heavy, and that caused foodstuffs in the Ottoman camp to rot. Clean water was in short supply, and it took great effort to keep the gunpowder dry. The Habsburgs had been adopting the tercio of the Spanish Empire, and the long pikes of the Austrians turned sapper breaches into deathtraps for the Ottoman forces. And so, much like D-Day, fortunes were made and lost at the whims of the weather.

Jim McGeehin

Impromptu Question for the Impromptu Q&A - You seem to be a fan of imagining counterfactuals. Which counterfactual would you say would be your favorite, and why?

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>>1586264

Apparently James was on it and I didn't even realize! But of course, it's going to be very important that people understand that aspect in the story to come...

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>>1586207

Lil brings such a fine touch to her comedy. We're lucky to have her on the team!

ExtraCredits
>>1586281

Jim, how do you know so much about WW2 AND so much about Suleiman? I often like to chime in on historical comments to answer questions or add a fun detail, but you write such perfectly self-contained little essays that I can only enjoy reading them. :) ...And sometimes fantasize about copy pasting them onto YouTube to make myself look smart.

ExtraCredits

IF A MUSLIM KINGDOM SURVIVED IN SPAIN. Without question. I love that time period; I am fascinated by the messy melding of the faiths. The Western world would be so different with a Muslim kingdom in Europe. I think we'd have continued to see religious prejudice (both from within and from without) and at least as many horrible stories would emerge from it as good, but I also think we'd be much farther along in learning how to understand each other and see our mutual humanity.

Jim McGeehin
>>1586448

Splendid answer. An Emirate of Cordoba or kingdom of al-Andalusia in Spain during the Age of Discovery and the Colonial Era has fascinating implications for the Americas.

Anonymous

Since we're discussing some what-ifs, what if the Ottoman Empire has clashed with Sengoku Japan? Roughly same time period, and I think it would be fascinating to know what would have happened had Suleiman interacted with Oda Nobunaga, Toyotomi Hideyoshi, or Tokugawa Ieasu

Anonymous

I hope when the eventual music video comes that Suleiman/Justinian shot is used when Justinian's theme starts up. The dilemma Suleiman has at the end reminds me of the bitter choice Marcus Aurelius had surrounding his son Commodus: Promote him or execute him.

Anonymous

Have you ever heard of a board game called "Here I Stand?" It's about the politics of the Reformation period. I'm asking about it because this series reminds me of it a lot since it's showing what's happening from the Ottoman point of view. I love the reformation time period and this puts the politics of that period in a different and complimentary light. Good job!

Turlas85

Hope you can find your laptop, Soraya! Thanks for getting the video to us! Be safe!

Anonymous

I'm still geeking out from last week about actually being a sponsor. That adds a period in history that's special to me. Work often makes me feel like a Nope camel. I'd also never thought of leaders not being able to have people who truly understand their burden of ruling. I mean all the world leaders are there but we wouldn't have different nations if they could completely understand and empathize with the others (if this makes any sense). I never wanted to be a leader of a major group, and now I REALLY don't want to.

ExtraCredits

Hey team! Thanks to everyone who was able to keep me company during my airport layover. Alas my laptop is still missing, but I've sent in my report to the airline and hopefully they'll find it soon. Until then, I have pretty limited computer access throughout the weekend and won't be able to continue answering questions from you lovely people for a little while. But I just wanted you to know that my sudden disappearance from this very fun comments section/impromptu Q&A was an indication that I have now made it safely to my destination! Talk to you all soon. <3 -Soraya

Anonymous

The decision to use this framing device for the narrative becomes more and more powerful as the series progresses.

Anonymous

I love you guys. Great work as always

Anonymous

I have a question generated by the 2012 video "Gamification." I have some thoughts about gamification in medicine, and I am intrigued by the suggestion that James may have some ideas.I could be at Pax East if there is any interest in discussing this, or we can just email, Skype, etc. If there really isn't any interest right now, please just let me know! I'll remain addicted to your channels and will contine to support you on Patreon, no worries. You always inspire me! Cameron Parham, MD

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>>1591114

Cameron I deleted the comment with your contact info because this is a public post and I don't want your info falling into the wrong hands! Re: gamification, we got so many requests about that episode that we've unfortunately had to retract our free consulting as we simply couldn't keep up. You're still welcome to contact me at soraya(at)extra-credits.net though if you like! James will not be at PAX East this year however.

Anonymous

It seems comments are disabled on the youtube video. Why is this?

Anonymous

Who are the artist behind these videos? I really love the creativity abd the excellent use of metaphors in the drawings.

Anonymous
>>1592106

It says it in the end credits: Lil (Lilienne Chan).

Michael Waisfeld

I hope you'll get to do a series about the other ottoman siege of Vienna. Forget about the historical significance, it's the siege that gave us the croissant!

Anonymous
>>1586075

why did you ignore mentioning this? <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman%E2%80%93Safavid_War_(1532%E2%80%931555)" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman%E2%80%93Safavid_War_(1532%E2%80%931555)</a> the main reaosn why he withdrew weren't the weather, but the persian assault on his other side of the empire and why is Suleiman's saga a fifth of Justinian's?

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>>1588998

I'm glad you're enjoying it! It was a bit of a risk since it diverges from our usual method so much, but we were definitely ready to try new things and see how it worked. Fail faster and all.

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>>1595238

Unfortunately, not so much. Suleiman does siege Vienna again, but ... well. No spoilers. :)

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>>1586831

Well, he would have had to go through Admiral Yi first, and I think we all know that's not happening! Seriously though, that would have been a cool meeting between the Ottomans and Japan. Assuming they could magically get their navy in the right place, I think it would actually have gone pretty well for the Ottomans, since they were accomplished at siegecraft and would have been moving against a still divided Japan that would likely struggle in the face an organized imperial power.

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>>1587339

That Suleiman/Justinian shot is so beautiful I actually want to make a shirt or poster out of it. I've been looking into how, because I'm crazy. ;D As for Commodus, well... Marcus Aurelius made his decision, and then someone else revisited it for him later. X-Þ

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>>1587439

Is that an asymmetrical multiplayer game with alliance building/backstabbing and a historical theme? I hadn't ever heard of it, but based on this website summary I found, it sounds like my kind of thing!

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>>1588452

Yeah, I'm pretty content to be a leader of dogs and that's it! They are cuter than countries.

Anonymous

Man, the animation in this video was done so well. I loved all the small jokes!