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Dr. Strange in the Multiverse of Madness (Patreon)

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2022-07-23 18:22:48
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This movie turned out to be really different from what I anticipated in terms of Wanda's role. I thought she was going to be on our good side (lol, Mary??), but apparently she was the villain :D. That being said I loved how they put the past experience that we had with her, in this one. Loved the movie! 

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Don Mayhem

I'm glad you liked this movie. This movie did make $955.8 million in the box office so it is a big hit. This movie was criticized by idiots who don't know how to enjoy movies anymore. They have to be critical about every little shit that is not as big of deal as they're making it out to be. I admit, there are some misses here and there. Like it's called the multiverse of madness. That name makes it seem like Doctor Strange's universe is becoming unstable and other universes as well and it's up to him to stabilize them before all universes deteriorate and destroyed, but not exactly what we got. I still liked this movie. I saw it twice in theaters and loved hearing the crowed cheering when Patrick Stewart returned as Professor Xavier from the X Men movies you haven't seen yet. Also fans were campaigning, for some reason, actor John Krasinski to play Reed Richards aka Mr. Fantastic from the Fantastic Four. Of all the actors to play Reed Richards, for some reason, he was the main choice and the crowed went wild when John Krasinski appeared on screen. Not to mention, some countries won't play the movie because of LGBT representation in the film with America Chavez having two mothers.

Anonymous

Yes, please watch the X-Men movies :) Now that Disney owns the rights to them, mutants/the X-Men are slowly being introduced in the MCU. I believe you will like them, although some are arguably better than others.

Brian Leonard

Definitely watch X-Men. I have no interest in any Star Wars reactions or most DC movies. I would be interested in Star Trek reactions...both tv and movies. Really, the show I am most interested in seeing reactions to is For All Mankind.

Travis

If you are really loving the multiverse theme you should watch a movie that just came out called, “everything, everywhere, all at once.” It is truly fantastic. I think it may win an Oscar. You will absolutely love it.

Eric

I loved it too; it was so fun and silly. I don't know why people didn't like it, I really can't understand why it seems so divisive. I LOVED all the silly, Raimi-esque elements. The fight with the music was so great, the zombie Strange, "it'll take more than killing me to kill me"... I love how Raimi didn't take it too seriously, but there were still some really heavy, emotional moments. Liz Olsen got to do a ton as an actress too. You didn't miss any movies. Black Bolt is from the Inhumans series, but you REALLY don't need to see it. It's not only a really bad show with really uninteresting characters and a low budget that caused them to bail on showing their powers, it was also developed by a dude who is really racist and corrupt, so the theme of the show is that those in power are right to rule over those without power, that the real villain is those trying to overthrow the powerful who use their power in abusive, selfish ways. It's fucked up and terrible. The X-Men movies... skip those too, honestly. The entire point of the X-Men is that it's a diverse cast of characters who have been discriminated against but found a family in each other and fight for justice and equality and understanding. The movies essentially became The Wolverine show; every interesting story is given to one character, and all the other characters get sidelined; it's pretty disrespectful of the source material, honestly. A few of the movies - mainly the first 2 - are solid-to-good movies, but when evaluated through that lens, they're really not worth watching. Honestly, I'd say watch the X-Men Animated Series (also on Disney+, last I checked at least) if you want to learn more about the X-Men. Unlike the movies, all the characters get to have personalities, get to have moments within the series where you learn about them and can appreciate who they are as characters.

Tyler Foster

To be clear, this movie is not like Spider-Man: No Way Home. Most of the characters that appear in the Illuminati sequence are essentially new. There are existing Fantastic Four movies, but the actor here, John Krasinski, is not from those films (he is most famous for the sitcom "The Office" and the horror/thriller movie series A Quiet Place, and, fun fact, he was the second choice for Captain America but lost out to Chris Evans). Blackagar Boltagon, the man with the tuning fork on his head, was from the TV show "Inhumans", and he was played by the same actor from the show, Anson Mount. As Eric mentions above, "Inhumans" might be the least-popular piece of MCU content that has existed to date, in that not only was it disliked, many people don't even seem to know it exists (if anyone has mentioned it to you before now, I'd be surprised). Obviously, Lashana Lynch's Captain Marvel and Hayley Atwell's Agent Carter are just different versions of characters you already know (and Carter was in "What If"). Finally, Patrick Stewart as Charles Xavier is technically from the X-Men universe, but this is not supposed to be the same Charles Xavier as we saw in the existing X-Men movie series. Instead, he more closely resembles the interpretation from the "X-Men" animated series from the '90s that Eric also mentioned (and gets a music cue when he enters that is, I believe, from that show). The other thing worth knowing is that in addition to the Tobey Maguire Spider-Man movies, Sam Raimi became famous for the horror franchise The Evil Dead. I am kind of skeptical you would enjoy the first one, which is one of the grosser and more extreme horror movies out there, but Evil Dead II and Army of Darkness get increasingly more comedic, and if you ever check them out, you'll see a ton of stuff that ended up going into this one, including cursed books, evil doubles, and demonic spirits with cartoon voices. Sam Raimi is also famous for putting two things in most of his movies. The first is actor Bruce Campbell, who stars in all three of Raimi's Evil Dead movies, and in the Spider-Man trilogy, plays a different role in each movie, as the wrestling announcer who gives Spider-Man his name, the snooty usher who won't let Peter enter Mary Jane's play after the doors are closed, and the French waiter who tries to help Peter with his proposal. Here, he's Pizza Poppa, cursed to punch himself. The second is the car he had as a teenager, a tan Delta 88 Oldsmobile. It was Uncle Ben's car in the Spider-Man movies, and you can see it spinning in the air in one shot when Strange and Christine go to the incursion universe and are walking toward the other Strange's temple.

Em McG

by the way Black Bolt is one of my favorite characters, he's king of the "Inhumans" (old storyline) - he does not speak because his voice causes a lot of damage, a whisper can level buildings and he used a much stronger level in the movie. Okay these are basically * Spoilers * below, Alternate versions of Dr Strange, not the exact same people but the concept is introduced in What If. Captain Carter version was introduced in What If. What happened to Carter is basically what happened to Cap in What If... even Wanda limping along was reminiscent of What If... in the zombies episode. Anyone who watched What If wouldn't be caught off guard (like other reactors) when Black Bolt appears and Professor X and Captain Carter and Maria Rambea shows up as Captain Marvel. And seeing alternate Christine and that alternate relationship also was not new. Even the humor in Madness would not have been a surprise because it was already in What If... from The Winter Soldier saying "I probably should feel bad about Sam... but I don't." And to zombie Cap he says "...I guess this is the end of the line" a call back to lines they speak to each other. More * spoilers * in No Way Home the multiple Spiders concept was already introduced in Into The Spyder-verse which did it so very well, still probably the candidate for best Spider-man movie because it deconstructs who is Spider-man and starting over fresh when Miles Morales becomes Spidey (I didn't think it would be that good but it is). Basically there's been a lot of overlap lately. What happened to Black Bolt? With his mouth shut he vocalized and that's how he was hurt. It's debatable whether this would work on him just like it's debatable that The Hulk could be done in how he was in What If... and it's also debatable that Rambea Marvel could be defeated by falling rocks because Carol has been seen punching into a planet and into its molten core and surviving. But we are reminded that "alternate" versions of heroes do not necessarily have the exact same power levels. And final * spoiler * I was surprised seeing parent Wanda escape that center of the dimensions place where I thought she would be trapped but she flew right out the door when I didn't think she had any powers, that was the only time she showed she had powers too. This means that version of Wanda is more like our original Wanda without the taint of The Scarlet Witch. This means a more normal Wanda can show up and we don't have to imagine how because we already saw her.

Bryan Tuck

Heh; welcome to the wonderful world of Disney Owns Everything Now. :) Honestly, the older X-Men movies... some of them are very good, but I don't think you necessarily *need* to see them. I think having the alternate universe version of Charles in this one was just sort of a "meta" nod to them. And yes, the actor played Capt. Picard in some of the older Star Trek movies. :)

Eric
>>88200933

Wanda de-powered Rambeau; that's why Rambeau died when the statue fell on her. In the 838 universe, when Ultron worked, all the Avengers retired. This allowed the fascist Illuminati to take power behind the scenes. 838 Wanda had powers, she was just retired. (And 838 Strange had to use the Darkhold - Darkold? - to defeat Thanos, so... once again, IronMan was wrong: Ultron wouldn't have saved them because, in the 838 Universe, he didn't; he actually allowed a fascist organization like the Illuminati to take power.)

Eric

I liked how quickly and easily Wanda dispatched the Illuminati. They were chiding Strange for how arrogant he was, but they easily surpassed his arrogance. He warned them about the threat Wanda posed, but didn't for a second take him seriously. Honestly? They got what they deserved. They also know how the mulitverse works, yet somehow thought "our Strange was wrong and arrogant, this one must be no different." There's an infinite number of multiverses; EVERYTHING that can happen, has happened. You asked if Wanda had kids in every other multiverse; no. She doesn't. Not even close. There's an infinite number of multiverses where she has kids, but there's also an infinite number of multiverses where she doesn't. There's an infinite number of multiverses where Wanda herself doesn't exist. There's an infinite number of multiverses where Strange and Christine are together, and an infinite number of multiverses where they never meet, where Strange stays a doctor not a sorcerer, where Strange never becomes a doctor in the first place, etc etc etc.

Eric
>>88198086

For the record: you can also point out that Bruce Campbell plays the same role in all 3 Spiderman movies: Mysterio.

Eric

Oh, and... I mention that I'd recommend X-Men: the Animated Series over the X-Men movies. Also, if you want to keep watching a franchise once you catch up with the MCU, I'd strongly recommend you skip the DCU; I'm a much much much bigger fan of DC over Marvel, but the DCU is terrible pretty much across the board. It was started by maybe the worst, least qualified person I could think of to kick off the DCU, to tell a Superman story, and it's largely downhill from there. There's nowhere near the attention to detail, the appreciation for heroes, the foresight to tell a bunch of stories that come together to form a larger universe; it's slap-dash because they were in a rush to catch up to the MCU rather than patient enough to tell their own story, and that hurry shows. The characters aren't really likeable, heroic people. Eventually, they gave up and started telling standalone DC stories, and even those largely aren't very good. Please, skip it. My recommendation would be to check out "Batman: the Animated Series." It's in the discussion for the best cartoon of all-time; iconic characters and voices, incredible writing, and really really fun stories. The 4th season was made by a different studio and really isn't the same, but the first 3 seasons are some of the best in cartoon history. I don't know if you feel Batmanned out; if so, I get it. But, coming from somebody who isn't a huge Batman fan: there's a reason there are so many good Batman stories. He's an interesting character who is so multifaceted that so many different creative people can tell different types of Batman stories that can all be satisfying in very different ways. I like Superman way more than Batman, but he's also a much harder character to write for, who can be easily screwed up, who isn't nearly as malleable a character as Batman. It's definitely a show worth checking out. Infinitely moreso than the DCU. And what I said about the X-Men stands: the Animated Series is just so much more diverse and colorful and fun than the movies that are all pretty bland outside the first 2. (To me, the only X-Men moment that stands out is the Quicksilver rescue scene in... Apocalypse? But that's one really fun moment in a movie that is pretty dull and boring.) I haven't watched a lot of the X-Men cartoon in a while (unlike Batman: TAS) so I can't vouch that it holds up nearly as well, but at least it's fun, colorful, and trying to be something. The X-Men movie franchise is pretty bland and was run by people who aren't fans of the series and it really shows. (Also, they're just horrible people, honestly. I think you can tell since they really struggle with having the X-Men be inspiring or heroic.)

Brian Jones

I'm glad you enjoyed it, and great reaction as always. Sadly I didn't enjoy this one much. It suffered from multiple rewrites, reshoots, and feels pretty messy due to all the tampering. It also kind of sidelines Dr. Strange in his own film, and there was just so much that didn't make sense in regards to the plot. Hopefully we get a full on Strange film eventually. But personally I'm starting to suffer from Marvel fatigue at this point. Considering the way Love and Thunder turned out, and the kind of downward trajectory of phase 4, it appears Marvel is as well. As for other franchises, I'd love to see you visit the DCEU at some point, and more specifically the Snyder films and first Wonder Woman, as I think you would enjoy those quite a bit. It would also be a nice change from the overwhelming amount of Marvel content. The X-Men films are a bit of a mixed bag and there's no real reason to visit them unless you have a personal interest in seeing it all. Honestly it's been nice seeing you move away from so much comic book content though. There's honestly so much more out there in the way of cinema, and so many other interesting genre's to visit. I saw that someone mentioned Everything, Everywhere, All At Once, which is another quite amazing film that was honestly a better multiverse film than anything Marvel is offering these days. Hoping for more variety in the future, and congratulations on your upcoming wedding.

Em McG
>>88200933

whoa this is interesting. I like to make up my own story from events in the film 😀🙊 I want to allow them to change the story for the films as they see fit, but using source material is always a good thing. Also some folks complain that they need a master's degree in MCU lore before they can enjoy a new movie, hence my friend refusing to watch What If series first which is fair. Knowing the Marvel comics storylines is like having PhD level knowledge and maybe new fans can tolerate some of that but probably largely it just turns them off the MCU. The "C" being the cinematic version of the stories.

David L Pickard
>>88197195

This is just my own personal opinion; I don't dislike the movie, I do like it overall, as a movie. However, what I disliked leaving the theater opening night and what has not changed since is the story and the treatment of Wanda's character. Sam Raimi has openly stated he's never seen WandaVision and was shown "important" segments of it while prepping this movie, and it feels like this movie took her entire story and arc from that and threw it down the garbage disposal. If we as viewers are (to a degree) required to watch 4 and half hours of a television series for the movie to make sense, it is absolutely ridiculous that the director of the movie that said series leads into can't do the same. I do like him as a director, but some of the camp and silly moments in the movie do not at all fit within the MCU - the Spider-Man trilogy was good at the time, but part of what makes the MCU so great is being able to be comic-accurate without the over-the-top campiness. I don't think I'll ever not roll my eyes at America going "Uh-huh!" and Wanda replying "Mm-mmm!" Long story short though I think they did Wanda's character dirty and the only reason I even consider accepting it as valid is because of knowing how the Darkhold affected people in Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. which is not a valid explanation for casual viewers.

Richard Maurer
>>88197195

I understand how people can feel this movie betrayed Wanda and how we all would have enjoyed seeing her have a happy ending. But the truth is that the last end credit scene in Wandavision made this storyline inevitable. She was using the Darkhold, and they had already established that using the Darkhold can only lead to corruption. So you can actually blame Wandvision for what was to come. Also, It's possible that Wanda's story is not over. As the Darkhold temple on Wundagorr is being destroyed you can see a flash of red magic, which could be Wanda escaping the scene. Of course it could also be Wanda's death, so I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

Richard Maurer

This seems to be one of those movies people either love or hate. Glad you loved it Mary, and you can put me in that category too. This has quickly become one of my favorite MCU movies, which also makes it one of my favorite movies in general. I have seen the various reasons people say they don't like this movie and I really can't relate to any of them. I've seen this movie five times now, and I enjoy it more with each viewing.

Eric
>>88197195

My guess with Wanda is that the MCU reserves the right to bring her back. They can have her live, or bring in a new version, or never return to her and simply move forward. Whichever they think serves the story better. And I'm cool with that. Unlike with just about any other franchise, I think they've earned my trust. Also: I've heard people talk about how having Wanda's grief about having her children torn away from her is gross because they did something similar with Black Widow, and they are tired of that trope being used in the MCU. I mean... sure, I see that. But I think it worked with Wanda. It didn't with Black Widow. So I have no problem criticizing that with regards to Black Widow (mainly in Age of Ultron), but I think it worked with Wanda, especially - as you mentioned - with the influence of the Darkhold.

Marty McGee
>>88197195

What people don't realize is that WandaVision established her as a villain. She may have been more of a sympathetic villain, but she was definitely completely in the wrong. She held a whole town hostage. Controlled them in trying to make her fantasy a reality. The initial creation of the Hex may have been instinctive rather than a conscious decision, but every decision she made afterwards was deliberate. At the end there were no actual consequences for her (other than letting go of her family which wasn't real anyway). What was her redemption? That she released everyone? "Oh sorry for mentally torturing you all, but it's okay because I was just dealing with some stuff." There was no justice for the citizens of Westview. She just flew away and escaped. Then by taking the Darkhold and using it, it just further corrupted her, making redemption pretty much unobtainable. Don't get me wrong. I love Wanda as a character, and I loved WandaVision. Its treatment of the grief process is amazing. It's probably my favorite of the MCU tv series. I also loved this movie showing her further descent into madness and evil. She does redeem herself a little more in the end this time by destroying the Darkhold in every universe. If she's really dead so be it. But if she comes back, I really hope they give her some consequences and maybe a true redemption arc. After all it would be nice to see her on the good side again!