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Season 3, Ep 4 (Patreon)

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2021-11-16 16:32:57
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2023-07-01 15:36:47
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ahhh we got more werewolf!! :D

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Buffy Season 3, Ep 4 - Beauty And The Beasts

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Tim Pierce

It's always bugged me that Xander falls asleep guarding Oz and Giles reads him the riot act, but Buffy does it and not one word is mentioned.

cruzinbosco

Closed stacks are locked off from public access by virtue of being placed inside a gated room (which usually looks like a jail cell). Libraries use book cages for the preservation and security of items that may not be tattle-tagged. Special collections, loose-leaf items, archival materials, and maps may be found in library book cages. Ah yes, the 90s and smoking. Back then, we even had smoking areas for the students. It was just so normal that everyone smoked everywhere: restaurants, daycares, gyms, hospitals (within reason lol); there really wasn't places people didn't smoke.

Briony Addey
>>71925418

And in university libraries, often, PhDs- I worked in my Uni library whilst I worked on my PhD, so I went on a little visit to see it in the book cage after I graduated. No werewolves locked in there at the time fortunately! This episodes has some strengths and weaknesses, imo. I loved the Call of the Wild stuff, though. I fucking love when BtVS gets poetic.

Jessica Roth

Everyone that groans at my criticisms, shut your eyes. Worst of the season, worst to date. Only 3 characters have a decent showing: Willow, Faith, and Scott. Willow is my darling and I'm pro-Faith and pro-Scott, but c'mon. It's just their second episode. I want Marti to do better for our main cast. But Cordy's vanishing, Xan's unfairly abused, G-Man is ridiculous, Oz is cold cold and COLD, and Buffy? Buffy stomps all over Giles's grief even though he SAYS "Jenny" and she bullies Willow so hard Giles practically has to pull her off, all on account of how all Buffy can think about is MUH DARLING MAN. F-U, Buff. Not counting how Buffy almost got W/G in Platt's "call cops" book. Sigh. And also, our "plot". And our "director". 99.9% crap. UGGH. So…I'm totally looking forward to this! All yours, Darc! Go, D, go!

Melissa

Instead of more cowbell, more werewolf!! I was a little sad at the suit upgrade too but the wolfieness kind of made up for it somewhat. But there were times he looked like someone from Kiss unfortunately. The whole domestic violence angle is tough to get through but the rest was good. SMG's acting was on par here. Dealing with dysfunctional family stuff today so thanks for making this a better day. Your reactions are always such a bright spot in my world.

angelcakes

OK the worst episode of the season is now behind us !! lets get to the great stuff of season 3

x_Rhi_x

Not the best episode. And yes they swapped the terrible werewolf costume for...another terrible werewolf costume 🤣

Jessica Roth
>>71924176

Two words: "Watcher's Pet". (You thought X was kidding about that? No, no.) How is the window being open XANDER's fault, exactly? He didn't get there until 2.00 AM! It was Oz or Giles or Willow who screwed up there…but it's Xan who gets yelled at. Of course, the same Buffy+ Angel FOREVER!!! fans who are why Angel is instantly back and "good" again hate Xander, so Xander gets blamed, however unfairly. "Nice" to see that Giles panders to the crowd just as Joss does… In fact, as Oz did NOT kill Jeff and as it was always silly to think Oz-wolf roams and still is back at dawn, It's a strong chance Oz didn't go at ALL. And Giles snaps at Xander for NOTHING. Ugh.

Jessica Roth

I truly didn't spot Angel's boots in 24 years' worth of watching this. I grant you, I'm too busy cringing at Fang Boy putting on PANTS when he's wild and feral and all, but still. Boots! Why not a full suit, I ask you? With a silk hanky to match. Oyyyy.

Bud Haven

Yes Giles quite obviously favored Buffy but I liked it. It shows that his relationship with Buffy is special. He’s not going to treat his slayer like he treats the others. I liked the return of Angel and how it made Buffy desperate to talk to the counselor. SMG’s acting in that scene was chef’s kiss. I liked the Jeckle and Hyde metaphor for domestic violence even though it was sappy and obvious. I love the Call of the Wild intro and outro. If SMG would do audio books I would def. buy. Over all a good episode IMO

ghostofdurruti

Ah, this one. Definitely not anywhere close to being my favorite episode of the season, but I do think I like it a bit more than others tend to. (Side note, but what is with the recent “bad” episodes of Buffy and being homages to classic sci-fi/horror stories? Last season we had “Bad Eggs,” which was basically “Buffy vs. the Invasion of the Body Snatchers,” and “Go Fish,” aka “Buffy vs. the Creature from the Black Lagoon.” Now we have this ep, “Buffy vs. Doctor Jekyll and Mister Hyde.” Weird!) My biggest problem with this episode actually comes in the first few minutes—Xander shows up to relieve Willow of Oz-watch and promptly deliberately lays down to go to sleep. Really? I don’t buy it. Xander is pretty immature at times, sure, but I don’t buy that he would be *that* cavalier about something this serious. It would be one thing if he fell asleep by accident (like Buffy does later in the episode), but to reassure Willow of all the things he plans to do to stay awake and then just… lay down and close his eyes? Poor characterization IMO. Speaking of things from the first few minutes: why is there a cage in the library? It’s where Giles keeps his weapons! (And—more justifiably from a “this is a school library” perspective—any rare volumes that the library possesses.) I also much prefer the old werewolf suit to this one. :( This one looks more consistent with how demons and monsters tend to look on this show, I guess, but it doesn’t look very wolf-like to me? More like a big, hairy, fangy ape. I guess you could argue that it looks a bit like the classic “wolfman” werewolf design, though. And I do really like how it allows the special effect team to do face-morphs between Oz and the wolf, as in that great moment from the end of the episode (“Time’s up. Rules change.”) I really liked Platt too. He seems to be telling Buffy what she needs to hear, and he comes up with a perfectly apropos nickname for Angel (“bad ending guy”). But he’s a faculty member not named Rupert Giles who seems to have a positive attitude toward Buffy, so of course he has to die. Speaking of Angel, he must have some sort of secret power to manifest pants out of the aether, because this is at least the second time he’s done it (the first, of course, being as he was losing his soul in “Surprise”/“Innocence”.) Fun fact: apparently, while filming the scene where Faith accidentally hits Buffy during Oz-watch, Eliza accidentally hit SMG for real. She described it like this: “In one scene I had my walkman on, and Buffy came up behind me and put her hand on my shoulder to get my attention. I was supposed to flip around, but I was so down with dancin’ that I turned around and socked Sarah in the jaw! I yelled, ‘Cut! Cut! I’m so sorry! Are you okay?’ She was like, ‘Yes, yes. You could’ve gone on.’” On to the next one!

ghostofdurruti
>>71924176

I do think Xander was more in the wrong than Buffy because unlike her he *deliberately* laid down and went to sleep, at least as I interpret the scene (whether doing that is in-character for him or not is another problem... but I digress). But then, Giles doesn't know that, only the audience does--so you're right, it definitely does play as a bit of favoritism on his part.

Jessica Roth
>>71944201

From Marti's script: " Xander moves to the cage - checks the door. It's secure. Then he sits at the table, contemplates reading to Oz - but instead tosses the book aside and lays his head down...." So he's meant to be a LITTLE slack…but James Whitmore, Jr. makes it look as though Xander never had any thoughts but slacking and sacks out instantly. Filming beats takes too long, I guess. Which is why Whitmore is a hack. Whitmore did find time for that "who's watching Pete and Debbie?" shot that Darcie reacts to, though. Odd, as that shot is NOT in Marti's script. Always room for pointless "suspense" and cheap misdirection huh? Hack. Hack. Hack. His work on 3.02 looks good in comparison, now.

ghostofdurruti
>>71944201

Oooh, that's really interesting! Yeah, the way it's written does seem much more Xander-like than what comes across on screen. Jeez.

Anonymous

I thought it was really interesting to use this episode to talk about domestic abuse because it is an important issue and also it was unique for the boyfriend Pete to be a Jekyll & Hyde deal.

Melissa
>>71941751

I had no idea people hated it so much lol. But my tastes definitely run opposite of most here.

Teresa Schultz
>>71941751

Everything you said. I’ll always include this one in rewatches for the intro, outro, and SMG’s acting. And also, “Time’s up. Rules change!” And the thing with Xander is that this was just another stupid mistake in a long line of stupid mistakes. I think that’s why Giles is so mad. Also, in my head canon, Buffy didn’t fall asleep until the moon went down.

Jessica Roth

BTW, how did (it was thought) Oz-Wolf slash/gnaw/kill that boy without having blood on his hands and/or snout? Did Wolf-Oz wash up or what? Classy. Smooth. Thumbs up, Wolf-Boy.

R J Walker (FumblesMcStupid)
>>71924176

It does bug me how he treats Xander so differently. I think it probably boils down to him knowing and understanding teenage boys a lot more than teenage girls and thinking he can shout at Xander but mustn't at Buffy or Willow, because, ya know, fragile and all that. I think here it's mostly Oz's fault for the window. He's the one in the cage, we don't even know if anybody else went in. They probably should have checked but the ultimate responsibility is Oz's. It also bugs me that ANY of them think a werewolf would have crawled back through the window, but that's a different issue. With Buffy, it's daylight, probably a few hours after Oz would have turned back. Giles trusts Buffy so assumes she fell asleep after sun rise. Also, before she tells him, he doesn't know she took over from Faith so probably thinks she just got into school early, came to see him, and fell asleep waiting for him. He SHOULD, however, have asked her about falling asleep after he learned that Buffy was on watch. I think this isn't the worst example of him treating Xander differently, but it's definitely true a LOT.

R J Walker (FumblesMcStupid)
>>71927076

Gotta agree, sadly. I think some of the issues with the characters' actions are a bit more nuanced than your summary but yeah, fair points.

Jessica Roth
>>71924176

"Phases" was January; this is October. Oz, and the gang, have been doing this for EIGHT MONTHS. 3 nights a month; 24 cagings. a) my heart breaks for Oz. THIS is his life? Why is nobody even TRYING to find a cure? b) has the window been open since FEBRUARY? 24 nights in the cage and nobody's noticed? JFC do they WANT Oz to run away, or what? Is this a hint? Wow.

Jordan Haddow

The episode isn't the greatest. It falls victim to the same issue many superhero movies, at least pre-MCU ones, fall for. Too many villains. They want action and no story, so they just cram in villains and cut out character generation or much of the plot. Also, while I'm not a major fan of the new wolf suit, despite their ability to show facial gestures in it, it is nowhere near as bad as the other guy. God that monster was terrible. What's with the head shaking garbage? Anyways, I'm not here to talk about the episodes failings, but the thing I really love the episode for. I'm a huge fan of the show building up and defining the slayer lore and Buffy's view of it. For instance, one of my favorite episodes is Ted, because that is the episode Buffy defines how she deals with killing a human. What happens when a slayer kills a human? Well there you go. Over the last couple of seasons, we've heard and seen a lot about the powers and responsibilities of being the slayer. At the end of last season, we saw that in stark reality when Buffy had to kill Angel despite his having his soul back. One of her jobs is to save the world, which she did at great personal cost. Now, she's face to face with some beastly mad form of Angel again, and there's a dead man suddenly found. What a position to find herself in. I saw in a comment above that someone was angry Buffy ran roughshod over Willow in an attempt to find out what happened to the body, if it was killed by a vampire. I think they were angry because it seemed that all Buffy could care about was her old boyfriend. That's the thing though, it wasn't really that. Yes, Angel brings out big feelings. More importantly though, his return places Buffy in a very bad position slayer wise. Everything she has learned up to this point says she, as the slayer, has to kill Angel again. Permanently. The first thing he did was attack her int he woods, where a body was found. Whether he has a soul or not, he's violent, and more than likely killed someone. Still raw and somewhat broken from the first time she killed him, she is giving him every benefit of the doubt. (I actually just notice this watching that she got the chains she locked him up with from Drucilla's chest. Notice all the dolls Buffy digs through to find the shackles). She locks him up so he can't kill anyone and she goes to see if Willow found definitive proof a vampire killed the boy. That's part of why she's so upset with Willow. She just needs to know whether she needs to kill him or not. Then we fast forward to the end, where Angel kills the monster. Buffy now knows he isn't safe in shackles and that he is quite capable of killing. Notice how she doesn't move as he comes towards her, doesn't try to defend herself. I think this is because she is holding still, because in that moment she had decided she had to kill Angel. Her lack of movement was her internal struggle to take action on her decision. Then he remembers her and shows some sliver of sanity returning. Buffy's tears aren't nearly as much for Angel being Angel as much as this little glimpse of the old him has given her the excuse she needed to stay his execution for now. So, instead of tears of happiness for his return, they are more tears of relief that she doesn't have to kill him again. At least, not for now. Her keeping watch over him at the end surely signifies that she hasn't cleared him from an execution fully yet. Further to that, she takes this decision very seriously and has strong feelings about the slayer being the one to hold that responsibility. This can be seen in what she says right before finding out her counselor is dead. She says she can't talk to others about Angel's return. Why? Well, one part of it is that they were all hurt by Angelus and it would bring them pain. Another part is that there is a fair probability they would want to kill him, especially considering the state he was in. Buffy though hadn't made the decision. In a way, cosmically, the slayer is the judge. Previous to them knowing Angel was a vampire, her view of such matters was, if you are a vampire you die. Simple. Learning that Angel, effectively a demon, was fundamentally good, she altered her view. Now, not only do you need to be a vampire, or more broadly, a demon, you have to kill, or at least be really intent on killing, before you meet Buffy's threshold for being deemed worthy of execution. So, if her friends learned of Angel's existence, and became intent on killing him. Buffy would find herself in the very undesirable position of protecting a wild mad Angel from her own friends or even her watcher. At least, that's how I view it. So, yes, much of the episode is lacking, I certainly liked the Buffy element of it.

SK Elkins
>>71924176

I felt terrible for Oz when Willow and Xander had that conversation about the privacy towels. Xander says he doesn't need the towels; Willow replies that they're not for him but for her. Dudes, maybe OZ would like a bit of privacy? It's not bad enough that they don't even put a mattress or anything in there for him, but the thought that he himself might not like to be on display naked doesn't even occur? I mean, I get that it's just a set-up for a joke, but it made me feel really sad for him anyway.

SK Elkins
>>74393303

I really dislike this episode, but SMG absolutely kills it in that scene, where she has to convey an incredibly complex mix of emotions and thoughts with no dialogue at all. There's not only relief there, but also apprehension for the future, liberally mixed with guilt, because in that moment you can pretty much see her mentally double-down on her decision to keep Angel's return a secret. It's just a fantastic performance.