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TWS - The Reaction that ruined my day (Patreon)

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*Proceed with Caution - Brutal honesty below. I'm not looking for convincing/defensive arguments either - i'll just block you. Either agree with me or hold your peace and allow me to vent in my space.*

I don't say this lightly. 

Nor have I ever said it before but, I need them to disband. They're taking up space where a group with actual singing talent could be. 

A group with 6 sub-vocalists is crazy to me and what's crazier is knowing they'll NEVER improve because that is not HYBE's M.O. 

I feel like this is HYBE's doing because Pledis definitely knows better. Needless to say I will NOT be reacting to them EVER again and I mean it. They personify everything I dislike about the direction of the industry and I get angry because it just reminds me of all the amazing talent being sidelined for ... this. If I wanted to watch dance crews I'd watch more dance shows. 

I want my idols to be SINGERS who happen to dance not the other way round and if you feel differently then you have a plethora of artists to pick from in the 4th & 5th gen, I for one enjoy singing and i'm sure many others do too. 

Enjoy my descent into madness lol

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Winnifred

Wow, this is the first time I’m really hurt by opinion that I can’t even watch the video. Just from reading the description alone…. Well, I really enjoyed their debut album, and even though I’m 21 and it reminded me of listening to txt for the first time( when I was 16). Your opinion is really harsh lol, never seen it in other reactors 🙃

Haley David

I heard the empty instrumental chorus and knew that this would be a legendary review! I'll watch knowing that for some reason HYBE has decided they can make groups work without even a good vocalist or two.

Any One

couldn't agree more...its gotten ridiculous at this point. I can tell by reading this is going to be cathartic lmao

Sephora Jocelyn

Honestly it gave nothing I was not impressed I didn’t feel excited or disappointed… very expected. I listened to it and felt like ok yeah I saw that coming and moved on

Sel

Okay well thanks for the disclaimer! I personally really like this group :/ Not like it’s going to change anything, but their debut album is definitely top tier. Best debut I’ve heard in literal years and that says something as nothing really excites anymore about kpop.

shimmyshimmy

okay honestly they just reminded me of a txt evolution lol like, 6 boys who are mid singers but have cool choreo and great performance. i love txt's music but their best singer...would maybe be a lead vocal in an SM group. it baffles me that hybe has debuted all of these groups in the last few years and hasn't managed to find a single singer that fkn SINGS except jungkook!!!!! i consider yunjin, dk, and seungkwan outside of hybe's talent pool, they were brought in, not trained at by hybe to be the singers they are. at this point, i don't think hybe has any value or interest in training real vocalists.

lilac_pelican

omg it's the fact that i was SCREAMING when i saw the title of this vid, because SAME! i really don't like this group lmao, i'm sure the boys themselves are lovely and i wish them well, but their music and general direction is not for me. i also think the promotion of this group was really weird, like the first thing i saw relating to them was an album teaser/mashup which made me so excited because a group debuting with an album is like unheard of now, it's always just short pre-releases and then the debut single but all of the 'music' just sounded like cheap, repetitive, UNFINISHED samples. as a carat, i also hate that they're banking so much on carat's support. i mean one of the first things that they released was just seventeen watching them perform, and they keep talking about how synchronised they are, knowing damn well that seventeen are literally the kings of that shit. also, if you look at the comments on that video it's like 70% carats talking about how they can't believe seventeen are seniors now, remember when they were just debuting, etc. all of that combined with the bright concept honestly just feels like a play on carats' nostalgia and it's so frustrating that seventeen's junior group doesn't even have a single good vocal, like wtf. anyway, just very disappointed and frustrated lmao.

twomillionmerits

lmao i have no opinions on this group bc i'm watching this video with you after i type this up (maybe its a bad idea bc i could be "influenced" but i've personally lost interest in checking out every new group so its entertaining watching for the first time along with reactors instead) but, micah i do want to emphasize i really do appreciate your honesty and i like seeing opinions of people who are truly into MUSIC and experience genres and singers fr. i feel like people get so narrowed in on the fact its kpop so most groups can fit into an average "bubble" but the market is so oversaturated now that the standouts are far and few between

Zhane Thomas

It was giving KIDZ BOP and I had to turn it off

tinydino

Even though your opinions on the group maybe seen as “harsh” and such, but I respect you and your opinions. One of the reasons why I like your reactions is because you say how it is and don’t sugarcoat it, just for the sake of the possibility of hurting people feelings. Even though I liked the song (but it isn’t by close the best debut song of this gen and the previous ones), I respect and appreciate hearing your opinion about the group.

Cn Ngb
>>128128774

I hear you!! That banking on Carat’s support is where they would miss it completely because Carats hardly support SVT like they deserve, wonder what makes them think Carats will show up for them

lilac_pelican
>>128128774

literally!!! i was so sad that they were just using carats, and i can't even talk about how frustrated i was by carats basically ignoring dino's solo when he did SO MANY promotions and he was clearly so excited about it :(

ELIte squad

oh wow after seing that description I had to check them out and i have to agree. Firstly why are they styled so similarly? they all have pretty distinct visuals from each other so why not show that more. The song was also forgettable but except for the few cases thats how I've been feeling about most 5th gen bgs so far but for pledis really?? the company that brought us afterschool, nuest, pristin(still mad about them), and Seventeen!?!

Dom

when i first got the notification, i was like “i can’t wait to be entertained” but now im reading the full description and im a lil scared lol! i dont even care about these boys😭

Shattermirror

I have to say you kind of put your finger on exactly what was making me feel uneasy about the song? It felt cute, it felt kind of fun, and it felt like I SHOULD like it, but something about it felt… lukewarm? And hearing you verbalise it like that just felt like a lightbulb moment. As someone who admires dancing because I can’t do it and singing because I love doing it, I tend to go for good vocals when I pick (read: get hit in the face by) my biases, then get bias wrecked by amazing dancing. Case in point, Seungkwan and Dino. The story was fun and their acting was cute but I actually listened without the video first and it just felt… bland. Again, I tend to choose my bias from a voice and then match the voice to a face. I got Seungkwan from 20 and Pretty U, Han from Hellavator, Junkyu from that round one ranking evaluation in Treasure Box (lol), and Nicholas from Dropkick (I was very surprised by that one). For this song, Plot Twist, I could tell when they changed singers but they just all sounded kind of the same. The song ended and I was like… that’s it? Anyways, TL:DR I’m sure lots of people will like it for good reasons but I’m glad I’m not the only one who felt this way and thank you for helping me understand why I did. 😅

Enemo

I can not tell you how I excited I was for this debut and group. I'm a huge fan of Seventeen and fromis_9 and since they were both trained and produced by Pledis, my hopes were so high for this new group. Needless to say, I listened to the title track (didn't watch the MV at first) and in the 1st few seconds, I was actually happy bc the electronic sound reminded me of fromis' earlier stuff (DKDK, Love Bomb and FUN still have my heart), but once the chorus hit, my face literally dropped. They went full EDM, which is just so tired in K-Pop and yes, them not vocalizing really pissed me off aswell. Aside from the fact that, as of now, there is no real vocalist in TWS, they also all sound so uninspired and emotionless. I still remember, even in their very early days, something both Svt and fromis often got praised for was how they were able to portray emotions so beautifully through their voices, TWS' singing was like the polar opposite of that. I guess my expectations were also too high (bc using fromis and Svt as a bar is just way too enthusiastic), but I was sooo dissapointed even outside of my expectations. I will be checking out their cb, just to see if maybe they just didn't have the right songs here or they miraculously improve(?), but my hopes aren't high since everyone is praising their debut. (Istg if a certain lesser popular group under Pledis gets even more sidelined for this, I'll go ballistic)

Reagan 💚

i'm so frustrated with the direction that kpop is going these days. i love dancers as much as the next person, but i listen to music because i want to listen to people SING. what happened to groups that debuted with at least 2 (maybe even 3) strong SINGERS?! i shouldn't have to watch a performance video to feel something from a song, it should be strong on its own and then amplified by a performance. the lack of singers and the absolute lack of choruses that actually sound full is astounding to me. also, what happened to releasing songs that were over 3 minutes? why is it a thing now to make a song less than 3 minutes? i used to love checking out different groups because i would always find something different, but with the industry now being so obsessed with debuting dancers only is very sad and i feel that kpop is losing the originality that it once had. now that is not to say that there haven't been great releases recently, because that would be a lie, but they are so few and far in between these days.

JustAnotherPotato

I listened to their album after watching this and I'm convinced the team at HYBE don't have ears. I did not like most of it but i can see why others would. BUT they really should have used BFF as the title it was so much better than whatever this was.

Shattermirror
>>128128774

Yes! I was one of those carats and I got really excited seeing svt acting all serious and grownup, and the prologue video was pretty hype, but then I actually watched their proper debut video and I was just like. What IS this?

nins

Not only does the song sound dated and unoriginal, it sounds like music made for pre-teen Disney shows. It sounds like radio-friendly, summertime generic nothingness. Paired with the fact HYBE never prioritizes vocal training and love autotune these songs are so disappointing, especially since they are supposed to be Seventeen's juniors. I don't see any displays of actual vocal skill. Runs, vibrato, etc. WHERE IS ANYTHING??? Even if you look at them in the context of other 5th gen boy groups (because, let's face it, actual singing has been declining since 4th gen), they haven't displayed half of the skills ZB1's Taerae had even during his intro performance at Boys Planet predebut. There's no unique brand identity, no unique tone, nothing to set them apart from anyone. A true disappointment.

Meral Kasem

Uffff, yikes! Now i‘m not even interested to give them a first listen at all. I have the same preferences in a kpop group as you, so I’ll just skip this lol. Moving on to your build up reaction though, to appreciate some vocal talent!

shimmyshimmy
>>128128745

taehyun, yeonjun, and kai do what they need to do but put any of them in exo or 127...toast!

Elizabeth Seravello

I was too curious to watch this when I saw you post this, so I did. When the one singer went "wait wait", I was like okay maybe the song will change and we'll at least get maybe some rapping or at least mess around with beat so that its fun to listen to, or throw in a nice vocal, but no. I was grooving a small amount to it but I was not liking it too much, then they came in with "na na na" and my heart sank. I feel bad for these guys cause damn that just comes off to me that the only care that went into making this debut was into the choreo and even then and no offense to the guys at all cause yes they were doing so good at the choreo, but none of the choreo even was super cool or like eye-catching to me at least. That b-side could have used so much more. It needed better layering, more interesting harmonies, more power, more oompf in the vocal delivery, different flows in the raps and vocals and making it all in english idk for me personally felt liike it was cheapening it. jeez when I first read your caption I was like damn maybe too harsh, but I completely understand your opinion now.

Ebony Coco

It's crazy that ZB1 has, as a group, the strongest vocals in 5th gen so far, when there was so much concern, initially, on whether they'd sing well outside of Taerae and Zhang Hao. It's so frustrating, too, knowing that stronger vocalists, who also can dance well, are in nugu groups, struggling, and likely will never see the success TWS are already starting to, just because they're not in a big company.

nins
>>128132087

Thank god for ZB1. Even ZB1's main rapper Gunwook, who definitely has things he can be improving on and has been slowly, can probably sing better than all of what TWS showcased here and that's not even his main thing, he's the rapper and arguably second main dancer. That realization made me both grateful for the ambition ZB1 has and like you said frustrated that really talented idols are usually hidden nugus (shoutout DKZ's Mingyu, TNX's Junhyeok, KNK's Inseong, etc.).

km
>>128132087

even zb1’s weaker vocalists are able to hold their own in that group which is saying something considering their vocal line is so strong. i agree that not all groups need to be vocal heavy but there needs to be at least something!

Ebony Coco
>>128132087

DKZ was one of the groups I thought of when writing this. Even Jaechan can out-sing every member in this group on a good day. What really made me realize how poor their vocals are was really when I started to think of ZB1's Yujin and Gyuvin. Those two are definitely the weakest singers in ZB1, yet Yujin showed more skill goofing off in the first episode of Camp ZB1 when they were singing in the camper and when he was singing with Jiwoong in Taerae Show 2. Gyuvin singing Over Me and goofing off with Gunwook while singing Man in Love in the first Taerae Show was also more interesting than anything I heard from any member of this group in this video. When I realized I would've rather heard six Yujins or Gyuvins singing those two songs instead, that's when it truly hit me how bad the state of this group's vocals are. I low-key felt insulted when I first watched their debut mv. I only saw it in full watching this reaction. When I first watched it myself the day it dropped, I didn't even make it to the prechorus, smh.

Ebony Coco
>>128132087

I was just commenting that when your reply came in. Even Yujin and Gyuvin are more capable vocalists than what I've heard from this group, and don't even get me started on Gunwook. How does a group not have a single member who can sing? The choreography isn't even mind-blowingly difficult or impressive to distract from the bad vocals. I feel like this is the group equivalent of "Go girl, give us nothing." I think we're being trolled 🤔

cali

havent even watched this yet and the description is SENDING MEEEEEEE god help you 😭😭 all i have to say is i hope pledis wont sideline fromis_9 for this but i *know* they will. they fucking hate fromis and will always go out of their way to show that despite the talent and good music they have didnt mean to turn this into a fromis lovepost but like its very much the truth lol ill watch this tomorrow and be very entertained

Jackie
>>128132087

huh where was the concern for ZB1? Hanbin and Gunwook are decent vocalists. Matthew and Ricky are not poor vocalists either. And at least Jiwoong has a different tone that they could make use of

Jackie

The pre-release song Ohmymy was better than the title track. That's all I'm gonna say

life of nicole

I feel like KPOP needs to bring positions back, cause most of the time when groups are like "there are no positions" I automatically (and correctly) assume there's no good main vocal/s. Like there are SO many good examples, in mainly 3rd gen i would say, of groups that have incredible dancers AND incredible vocalists - why are we sacrificing the singing just so they can dance a bit??

Koko3op
>>128141790

Ohhh this is a great point that I hadn’t even considered! Yes bring back some form of positions for sure.

Koko3op
>>128135079

I went THROUGH IT!!!!! And yes I see fromis being sidelined too. It sucks

Koko3op
>>128130071

Please suffer with me a LITTLE lol. I’d be interested to hear your take.

Koko3op
>>128129287

The music industry is going in a very concerning direction for sure

Koko3op
>>128129242

It sucks that how we feel puts us in the minority. This is what also makes me angrier. I’m sure knetz are eating this up!

Koko3op
>>128128774

I hope that all dies out and people see and hear them for what they are. Cos there’s no depth here at all.

Koko3op
>>128128745

This is a great point. Jungkook is LITERALLY the ONLY SINGER singer they’ve found and V has definitely developed into being one of the stronger most unique singers in kpop now but I’m sure that’s of his own choice.

Lea Dan

THIS cause nowadays I feel like the singing ability is taking lightly and the only thing who they are doing a great job is dancing idol should be able to SINGGGG and dance too of course but nowadays I feel like I’m watching a dancing crew debuting and made me so mad cause you see other people who can sing and don’t have the chance to debut and other who don’t get the recognition just because they are not well known or from a big company like 🙄

Hana Eccleston

the fact that you even have to preface that this is your opinion is so upsetting. you shouldn't have to feel like you need to explain yourself. i definitely agree with you because when i listened to this i was excited, one because it's a new boy group from pledis, but second because they're a lot younger and i hope that there's a group out there that will change the game for 4th/5th gen because what we've been seeing recently is honestly been disappointing as a whole (obviously there are exceptions). this song was just full of everything i didn't want to see in an upcoming boy group that has the power to lead this generation of kpop since they have such a huge company backing them. it'd be harder to find something that's even slightly likeable in this song rather something i disliked (more like hated). i really don't understand this wave of everyone sounding so commercialized and interchangeable. i began listening to kpop because i loved the aspect that i could find different types of talent in one group. NOT EVERYONE NEEDS TO BE AN ALLROUNDER!!! i feel like i'm not even listening to music at this point like it's just depressing. i don't tend to talk about groups in this way because i understand everyone in this industry has it hard with how competitive it is but like you said there are just too many hidden gems out there that should be getting the spotlight instead of whatever this was. at the end of the day when you take away the performance aspect (which is not even that impressive and i can name multiple groups with both better singing and dancing), the song itself has no appeal whatsoever. i do not blame you for not checking them out in the future and honestly i'm contemplating on doing the same (the only thing that's stopping me right now is the fact that i want this group to prove me wrong but i know that's not going to happen).

Anonymous

yap, sadly this, for me, is just like a dance group.. but people will still eat it up because they are from Pledis hopefully we can see some growth in the future but idk

Ebony Coco
>>128132087

Before their debut and we got videos of them singing from Taerae Showv and the KStarNextDoor episodes, there was a lot of doomposting that they wouldn't be vocally strong, similarly to the complaints that they wouldn't be good at variety since none "variety stars" from BP debuted. During the early episodes of BP as well, there was a lot of complaints that the show as a whole lacked strong vocalists outside of a few trainees. Half the members of ZB1 were called dozens throughout the entirety of the show, until Taerae Show/In Bloom, most people didn't know Ricky, in particular, can sing as well as he does. After the finale and predebut, there was a lot of talk of ZB1 mostly just being a visual group that got popularity votes over the "more talented" trainees on BP, so the group would suffer vocally because of it. Obviously, that did not end up happening, but the discussion was there.

SpacedOut Vy

I’m gonna watch this video to confirm my thoughts!! I actually checked out this song/MV yesterday, and I can’t believe how passive my expression was throughout the whole thing. The millisecond I heard the autotune, I screamed in my head: “FUCK HYBE!!!” It hasn’t been a full 24 hours but I already forgot how the song sounds, because it was just that boring. I can seeee exactly what they’re going for which is basically TXT vibes and I’m not with it. Same company doesn’t mean they need to do similar concepts??? Like it’s just so boring and lazy. Genuinely HYBE can fuck off. They hit it big with BTS (I love them) and think they can do the laziest shit. Not to be pink blooded, SM just knows what they’re doing (when Lee Soo Man is in charge; idk what’s happening now). Unique concepts, actual VOCALISTS, the IT factor, hard choreo, etc. Urgh , im so over the industry tbh. I’m waiting for something new and I’m certainly not getting it

Koko3op
>>128143651

THIS. Not everyone needs to be an allrounder! i'm sure I discussed this before also but IT JUST MAKES EVERYTHING MEH.

Hammhoxx

Omg, I was literally JUST telling my friend this, he was ranting and raving about this group and how much he likes them. I was like no... They all sound the same, just like most of 4th and 5th gen, High placement, very nasal, tension, and no support. The singing talent is severely underdeveloped on EVERY MEMBER!!! Like wtf are we supposed to just watch their dance practices? What would I get from their music? I like VOCALS and I was telling him not to expect them to actually get better either cause they are under HYBE. (He seldom dips into kpop). This group isn't for me and never will be, I'll be waiting for a 5th gen group that hosts members with DIFFERENT voices and ranges and skill sets that they specialize in to come together to make magic and this is NOT one of them.

Koko3op
>>128149638

You cooked!!!! Ahh if he seldom dips into kpop ZB1 would blow his mind LOOOL. Like there's groups out there with people that actually sing and have talent. These guys made me appreciate ZB1 SO MUCH MORE

azi

Don’t know this group but I’m actually tired of vocal talent being sidelined by companies. Like they’re a K-POP IDOL, i want to hear actual SINGING. If they can dance it’s a plus, but I’m not too bothered by that nor do I care.

Mint
>>128135079

Fromis is definitely on borrowed time. Much like the Gfriend situation, Hybe is very cut throat about the revenue they expect from their artists. But this business model of theirs reminds me too much of a tech bubble startup sometimes

Mint

My faves have been coming back, so I've been enjoying my kpop so far this year. But your video description had me so intrigued, I had to check it out. 5th-gen is going to be a tough sell. We are mostly emotionally attached to 3rd/4th gen kpop, much like the Koreans were to 2nd gen. The time gap is too short and there are a lack of new ideas to make it distinctive. I wonder if this means legacy acts would start to play a bigger role (like in the West). The BTS reunion will likely be bigger than anything new

Joy

TWS feels more like a hybe group than a pledis group. Like, you're telling me pledis waited almost 10 years to debut another bg and this is the best they could come up with???? It's a waste of a group at this point, it's truly giving “and you're watching Disney channel” or “next up for the school talent show is..”. I know hybe values performance over literally everything else but at least have ONE member be able to carry the rest in the vocal department. I still don't get why hybe doesn't have a vocals department, they just tell trainees if they want to develop to pay for it out of their own pocket during the free time they do not have. I don't really like 5th gen groups but the big names I've heard truly sound the same or remixes of one another. Everyone is now doing easy listening / bright 2-minute-long music for their debut. It's all starting to blend for me. Feel like the only one different is RIIZE.

Virtual TimeLine
>>128141790

Wow I haven't even thought of that tbh. Now that I think of it, most groups that have no assigned positions often have members that are just kinda mid at everything.

Anonymous

its crazy cuz dino could’ve been the leader of this group instead of seventeen’s maknae😭😭

Koko3op
>>128173651

And ZB1! But I'm SCREAMING at "and you're watching disney channel" cos you are NOT WRONG!! LOOOOOL. HYBE is super frustrating as an entity. OBSESSED with western validation above anything else.

PlantMomY

This is my take cause i'm honestly confused. When they are trainees do they not take vocal lessons or is just dance, cause why does every group sounding the same these days? Like who are Hypes producers cause wtf is this song? Everybody sound like a damn 10 year old with this soft squeaky voice and its annoying. There's no range, no harmonies, just dance. And Its becoming this repetitive behavior in most of these new groups and were tired!!!

Joe B

What were their company thinking that this group would add to the industry?

yuta

it’s crazy with how big hybe is they still are debuting mid tier vocalists

hayun lee

cannot agree more. i stan a lot of groups that are considered nugus are have been forever stuck in mid-tier who are AMAZING singers and it frustrates me knowing theyll never reach the heights this group will solely because theyre young and from a good company. i have no opinion on their sound either, but if their music is good, unless theyre composing it themselves that isnt nearly good enough to make up for the fact that their singing is so subpar. im sure theyre working hard and whatever in their own right but its just upsetting especially knowing fromis will definitely be thrown to the side for this. the standard of singing has gone so far below the belt and we all know that kpop stans cant take criticism and will force us to agree theyre amazing. whats crazier is that even if the GROUPS are better, the main dancers aren't really giving either. a lot of these new groups are trained to do tighter choreo so they LOOK better as a unit, but if you pluck them out individually theyre lacking severely compared to 2nd-3rd because their foundations are nonexistent. if the trend for kpop vocalists is to be lifeless and nasally, the trend for kpop dancers is to go as full out as you can at all costs, rhythm musicality and control be damned 😭

Paris Richardson

I hate this mass produced feel hybe is giving off like they're just manufacturing mid idols and hoping production will fix everything, like I want talent back in kpop ugh. Thing is the market for kpop just doesn't care and it's disappointing tbh. All the best talent is found in like the smallest groups nowadays. SM is keeping a slight standard but I found riize disappointing even, still not hybe level though.

Lynn Pratt

It's so frustrating when groups like this get so much support and visibility right out of the gate, yet bands like Xdinary Heroes can't even play their instruments live on music shows and repeatedly get ignored on promotions. Their sub vocalists could out-sing and have better stage presence while standing still than 90% of the nugu groups like this but they don't dance so ppl barely give them a chance. I'm not naive, I know that talent can only take u so far, luck and money and trends usually have a much bigger role to play in entertainment. And I actually disagree that ignoring vocals in favor of visuals and dance is a new problem. It's always happened in every generation and in many many other genres as well. But the issue is that the groups with cultural staying power in each gen have the vocal and\or rap talent to support their longevity. Groups that are very successful in their day for their pretty faces and decent footwork have been and always will be a thing. But they don't last, we think vocals mattered more in previous generations bc we just don't remember the bajillion boring groups like this that were also around. And a difference now is that we know these companies have the time and resources to develop good vocals and find natural talent. It's not like the old days where they gotta churn out a new group every 6 months and hope one of them sticks. There's enough precedent and money in the game that instead of teasing a new group for the last like 3 years just to deliver a generic and bland concept with (seemingly, no shade to the boys bc hype could totally be stifling good talent) average kids that feels like it would have been fresh if they'd debuted 10 years ago, they could have taken that time to seriously train actual adults who have real skills they've carefully cultivated.

Koko3op
>>128180862

Tell them again! And also a very good question, I don’t think they have vocal lessons AT ALL.

Koko3op
>>128192374

Yupp and HYBE's obsession with the west will be the death of anything non standard ever happening in k-pop.

Koko3op
>>128193914

These are great points and I agree this isn't a new issue however I do think it's getting WORSE because the biggest groups from earlier gens HAD great singers whereas now the most popular groups atm, Newjeans, Enhypen, IVE, G Idle, Xikers, Riize, TXT etc have okay/good singers at BEST which is definitely a new issue. No one exceptionally talented. And any groups with members that have potential it's not utilised nor is it a priority to showcase their singing. Every generation certainly has it's fault and I agree, hindsight is always 20/20 because you forget about all the rubbish you endured in the past but the shortening of songs and loss of bridges/vocal adlibs is concerning and also a new issue due to the rise of social media and shortening attention spans.

Jonathan

the scream i scrumpt while watching this... like i didn't bother checking this out until i decided to watch your reaction and you encapsulated everything i wanted to say LOL. i also saw people on the TL say this reminds them of gfriend debuting, which i can kinda see given the energy, but also gfriend had actual layers, a bridge, and yuju singing her ass off alongside the good dancing.

Anonymous

I’ve honestly been taking a break from kpop as a whole. listening to good rnb again, hearing the runs, the diversity in voices made me realize how low my expectations are when i hear a kpop song now. Don’t get me wrong i love zb1 they are super talented & probs the best 5th gen group with vocals but compare them with most 3rd/2nd gen groups… like the vocals cannot compare. i already knew from the get go tws would not sing, even the lyrics are corny like wut. go watch “y si fuera ella” by jonghyun & tell me anyone in 5th gen can come close to the performance value & vocals… you can’t. i love me a good dance practice every now & then even a cute special dance performance but what happened to singers actually being able to sing????

Shattermirror
>>128180862

And it’s such a huge change in standards for a Pledis group! I don’t know much nuest but I’ve HEARD their songs and they have style and the vocals to back it up. And seventeen’s pre-debut show had half an episode dedicated to the recording process of their song Shining Diamond where Bumzu talks about several members and their enthusiasm for improving their vocals, including Hoshi from the PERFORMANCE unit and Seungkwan who went as far as going to the hospital to find a way to sing in a way that sounded good without damaging his throat in the long run! During TWS’ pre-debut videos, the members mostly talked about “inspiring” people or dancing, or “ooh, idols can dance and sing at the same time”, there was not a single member who seemed genuinely interested and enthusiastic about SINGING specifically.

ᵃᵉ¹

Ooh girl this group is sooo uninteresting for such a big company.. I listened to the debut a couple days ago and I literally turned it off because their sound is sooo stale and uninspired as you said. If kpop is anything worse than last year, I gotta go chile because the music/album releases have been lazy and vocally empty.. Kpop just isn't kpop anymore and I'm really not sure how we went so far in the gutter.. much loveeee <3

Kay

Hybe debuting group every other day. I just feel like the kpop scene is not capable enough to hold that many groups from a big company. I don’t know maybe bcz I’m new to kpop but I’m just overwhelmed🫠 it feels like hybe groups don’t have identity😭

Kpopiana
>>128372457

I hear what you're saying in terms of the overwhelming number of groups but I don't agree with the idea that Hybe groups don't have identity because they most definitely do. Even with the amount of groups they have, they are all vastly different with cool and refreshing concepts. New jeans is so different from Le sserafim, Enhypen is so different from TXT and BoyNextDoor. They have their own colours, flavours and aesthetics all the way down to story -telling. Does Hybe need to work on improving vocal ability? Most definitely. But do Hybe groups lack Identity? Absolutely not. They've done so well with groups like New Jeans, Le sserafim and TXT who is known for being quite different. I will say they've kinda missed it with the branding of TWS but I think for a company who has heavily influenced the recent change in direction for Kpop as soon as they debuted New Jeans and their more laid back style, its unfair to say the groups don't have Identity when they definitely do. However, in terms of actually singing, Hybe needs to get on their zoom.

Neeko

I agree. They're cute, they have their sound and I'm sure performances will be fresh and fun. But I definitely noticed that this was not a vocal group out of the gate. I love Hybe artists but when I think of them, they're definitely performance/choreo heavy and no super spectacular vocalists come to mind in the 4th/5th gen aside from Heeseung and maybe Jiwon (Fromis9) or Yunjin. We were spoiled with 3rd gen (DK, Seungkwan, Yuju, JK).

Natalia Wii

I'm going to need you to tone down your SM stan-ness and anti-HYBE bias when reacting to HYBE groups, especially if you're going to be wrong about something as basic as company structure and since you have a *paid* platform. Pledis is an independent label under HYBE, Pledis picks the trainees, Pledis trains the trainees, *not* HYBE. All HYBE provides is cash and infrastructure, occasionally producers from BigHit work on other songs, but the *companies* under HYBE are fully in charge of their auditioning, training, and recruitment. If you have a bone to pick with TWS, hold Pledis responsible.

Natalia Wii
>>128372457

HYBE isn't one company. It's a bunch of mid-sized kpop companies (except BigHit), using the same infrastructure. It's been 3 years since tHYBE was formed and there's really no reason kpop stans should still be so ignorant about how the company literally functions. If you have a problem with TWS then the only company responsible is Pledis.

Koko3op
>>128461961

Are HYBE paying to write this? Lol anyway I don't need to tone down shit. My paid platform has no correlation to how K-Pop companies work, how on Earth did you get there? Ok then, Pledis did a bad job. Now what? LOOOOOL do you feel better now?

Kennedy Pickering

I also think that they are the second 5th gen boy group that hybe has debut (yes I understand that they are under pledis) but lets be real there sound is not distinct enough out of 5th gen. If I heard this song in passing would not stop and be like who are they. Compared to Zerobaseone, Riize, BoyNextDoor, and Xikers they all have their own distinct sound. Are they great dancers yes, but where is the flavor from the singers to maybe a rapper. I wish nothing but the best for them but not my cup of tea. Like I am going to compare them to BoyNextDoor since they are going to be known as a hybe boy group. What KOZ did was let them write their own songs developed a sound that works for them, they have a bridge that catches your attention, they have a rapper that has that YG/Bobby feel because he did train with Bobby from Icon, and they have their own dance style. What Pledis did was unfortunately try to make a smaller Seventeen but with weaker vocals. In a generation with developing vocals no thank They are great dancers but I am not always going to watch the dance practices to see them I am going to listen more.

CHMC

I think the purpose and meaning of a song is very important. This is just a song about the first day of school, not every song needs to showcase the best vocals. Funny enough, this song is charting well in korea, with peaks listens being the hours when middle and high school students are studying. Its a song that brings joy to people, how can you hate that :(

Koko3op
>>128714730

You can express all that whilst being able to sing. Seventeen did. Not surprised it's charting well in Korea at all because visuals and performance are their priority at the moment when it comes to idol groups. Also I already said I wasn't looking for explanations as I already said in my description but you decided to write one anyway.

Zara

I'm curious as to who the future generation of kpop trainees will look up to. With so many groups from 4th and 5th gen having no standout vocalist/performer, I can see a lot of trainees looking to groups from smaller companies like Ateez. Or perhaps Exo and BTS will continue to be the inspiration for most of them. Hopefully groups like TWS won't be what they aspire to be like. But it'd be quite interesting to see smaller groups take the lead in the industry if top companies continue to pump out groups like this.

LisMM

I’ve reached the point where I just don’t care about the “new kids” anymore. They’re not putting out anything interesting. They don’t sound good. I’m happy listening to my EXOs and SHINees. As for new music I look forward to, none of that’s from Korea lol, save for some indie and rnb stuff.

mist

i finally had a chance to watch this and i fully agree with you!