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Bore Carnival (Patreon)

Published:
2019-11-16 19:55:08
Edited:
2019-11-16 20:12:36
Imported:
2022-01

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The ladies discuss the online YA wars, The Cut's "Porn Carnival" writeup, and n+1's foray into incel fiction.

Read Kaitlin Phillips' piece, "The Hooker Laureate of the Dirtbag Left," here.

Read Tony Tulathimutte's short story, "The Feminist," here.

Comments

Anonymous

Thank you for discussing R. Gay’s engagement ring—when I saw a picture of it, it made me GASP! Also, she’s a grouch.

plcmnt

🙌

Meg

I wish you would have discussed the feminist story more tho!

Anonymous

Where is this ring? Her name makes this impossible to search.

Anonymous

...and they're back.

Anonymous

The rings aren’t my taste, but that’s the point isn’t it. They found each other and they aren’t subtle about it ring-wise. I think the ugliness of their rings is kinda lovely. Rings are meant to be symbolic.

Anonymous

Read the poetry, I think It would particularly resonate with Dasha. I think it’s unfair to talk about the party without talking about the direct action and redistribution of our money/resources directly to the most disenfranchised of our labor group. How is that not anti-capitalist, To take from the most elite and scatter those funds to those who need it most should be a part of any leftist effort. All of our parties are like this. Everything is performative but giving our funds away is a bit more altruistic than posing for the gram. Normalizing drugs and turning tricks is a deeply anti-capitalist venture bc both of those things are ILLEGAL. (As in not allowed under our current capitalist regime) As two people who respect language, I would have assumed you would have acknowledged that. It’s shocking to me you would support Calloway but not RRW. And Dasha if you’re so into uncovering sex trafficking pedo rings, you should look into anti-trafficking efforts that include decrim. Particularly the work we did post FOSTA/SESTA. Who better to catch a predator than those being hunted by them (who happen to have highly sophisticated modes of blacklisting and reporting.) I dunno I think if you guys knew some of us or were invited personally you’d be singing a different tune.

Anonymous

Ok, so, I chose this space here to finally comment on the Porn Carnival party. I am from Europe, and currently in NYC for a few months. I went to the party because I think RRW is a very talented writer and fascinating character and I follow her and her other talented friends on social media since about 2010. I don't know any of them personally and I didn't have the courage to chat them up (with the exception of Rachel, who was lovely) at the party because I feared to come off as a weird creep (or just shown my true supercreepy self) because I know far too much about these people's personal life due to my dedicated lurking lol. What needs to be said first: It was a very nice party, Rachel's reading was really cool, everyone seemed to have fun, but contrary to what the article made it seem: it also was still the type of an overall "normal", good, artsy party. Or at least this is how I would categorize it back home. The fact that all of you americans are freaking out about this makes me really rethink the cultural differences I thought were levelled out with the internet. I'm not speaking about the afterparty of course that is featured in the article aswell, but the article makes it seem as if the launch party already set the tone strongly. But freaking out about the afterparty or feeling "depleted" because of it is equally mind-boggling ridiculous to me; I can't even. What is it with you guys feeling so personally affected by this, why not just aesthetically or voyeuristically enjoy the good writing about events like this like the rest of us? Along with this goes the casual comment of Dasha about being jealous of Kaitlin Philipps's writing talents. Wth?! Jealousy is not an appropriate reaction to talents of others/ valuable accomplishment? Second, I subscribed to this podcast because of the shitstorm on Twitter after Annas tweet about the "sex work as a brand" media girls. I thought it was a brillant tweet because I felt it was a due affront to people like ME lol (not in a narcissitic but rightly self deprecating way). I guess I am guilty of in some way trying to acquire cultural capital by proximity to taboo when I speak about my support for sex workers to my peers at home (sex work is legalized where I come from since decades tho). And also, I definitively do not have an authentic sexuality, and can only get off picturing myself getting objectified; a sad fact about me. Along with this goes that I also find the idea of being a sex worker myself hot. I thought the accusations on Twitter that Anna would have RRW in mind with her tweet was far-fetched, because lol Anna had to obviously talk about the gentrifier-like academia girls like me, living a comfortable life not being sex-workers but being fascinated by the dark glamour of the elite escort! Anyway, so after all this, I followed you both on Twitter, and subscribed to this Podcast because I like your takes on stuff on Twitter. But now I'm finally getting to the main point that made me chose this space to comment on Porn Carnival: I read the controversial tweet too benevolent! The take on Porn Carnival on here is such an obvious case of rationalizing some sort of resentment? The podcast gets more resentful, less objective and just plain mean as you go on - it was a pain for me to listen. Wth is wrong with you americans to think it's okay to trash your peers like this - in general - and then, additionally, on public display?! I don't mean to say you shouldn't critique RRW, but this is an obvious case of bitter backbite. On a different note: People going public with their insecurities isn't "humble bragging" or "crowdsourcing shame" although it would be cool because those are quirky neologisms. People going public with something they're insecure about usually is about control, so that other people can't use it against them. Isn't this the whole point of self-deprecating humor you americans are experts in (and that I'm a big fan of)?? Ugh... Edit: I thought the critique about the intellectual laziness and immunity from critique by painting sex work as something sacrificial or virtuous was very spot on. But after this, to me, it just seems to get more and more personal and mean.