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Greetings, everyone! (Patreon)

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2024-06-23 12:14:43
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2024-08
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I would like to discuss with you a few new features that I plan to add to Patreon. All of them relate to subscriptions. Everything consists of several points (this is just a draft – I want to hear your opinion and will complete the description):

  • I want to add a new tier for 20 euros. With this tier, you will have the opportunity to participate in the character voting that I do every day (regular Daily Post). There are currently 15 of them per month. As before, I plan to do Character Redo (as I have done 3 times already). All users, regardless of subscription, will participate in the Character Redo votes. However, new characters will only be chosen by users of the 20 euro tier and other more expensive tiers.

  • The tiers with commissions will become a bit more expensive. Each one will be 5 euros more expensive. Accordingly, 30 and 50 euros (I think this is quite fair, as I am now doing many more poses than before).

P.S. For users of the 10 euro tier, nothing changes.

P.P.S. For users of the new 20 euro tier and those with more expensive tiers, I will create a special chat where you can suggest characters. I think it will be possible to suggest them without limit for each user. I plan to conduct voting in 2 stages (it could be done in 1 stage, but Patreon does not allow polls with more than 25 options). First, I will conduct a poll on strawpoll.com, then I will select 15-25 winners from there and create a second poll within Patreon to choose the final winner. Why is the second stage necessary? Because I will not be able to control who exactly voted on strawpoll (anyone can invite friends and vote for a character – this would be unfair to others).

P.P.P.S. Also, I may not make all the characters that win the polls – instead, I will take others that are next in line and have received fewer votes and did not make it to the favorites (but were close).

I probably forgot to mention something, but in any case, "truth is born in dialogue" – in our case, in polylogue.

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gperry

The sex positions are actually very difficult to produce.

Shokuhou Misaki

Late reply, but better late than never: Some specific responses: - "tiers with commissions will become a bit more expensive" : Fine by me! While I'm obviously not thrilled to pay more money, it is what it is. The description on the tier is 15 - 100 images and you (almost) always go above that. I'd probably be pretty upset with the price raise if the commissions were routinely 30 - 60 images, but I feel like you make a large effort to go above and beyond what's necessary, so I really not upset at all and won't complain :) - "For users of the 10 euro tier, nothing changes" : I think this is important to any change you make. (But this is just my opinion) - "create a second poll within Patreon to choose the final winner" : I'm confused? Is there only going to be one winner per poll? Or will it be like the redo sets where we one vote for the next month and a half? Having a new vote every other day would be clunky? And some more general responses: 1) I think it's really important that as least some of the regular sets (the ones that aren't commissions or character redos) are still chosen by you / randomly. There are some characters that someone out there cares about, and even if they aren't popular (and therefore won't get many votes) I think that person should have the chance that they get lucky and can see their character made by you eventually. If you add this new tier I wonder what a fair split for daily posts would end up being? (15 redo + 12 chosen new + 3 random new per month maybe?). I don't know, whatever you think is good! 2) I do wonder if limiting the number of suggestions at some point might be prudent? You are getting well over one suggestion a day (and with all the redo sets, there's no way you can keep up with that. Maybe doing something where you limit each user to 1-2 requests (and then once their request(s) are made they can make another?) that would require a ton of extra tracking though. Idk, there isn't a perfect solution here (I guess eventually people will run out of characters they want to see?) 3) Why do you actually want to add another tier? It seems like the system you have is pretty elegant you have one base tier for full access to all your content this is fair and awesome that you have this. And then, you also allow people to make specific commissions right now rather than wait for their suggestions to go through the regular posts. Because doing a commission is more work for you it makes sense that a commission would cost more. So you charge more for a commission. But actually commissions for characters you've already done are easier than new commissions so, since one is more work than the other one costs more than the other (and if some in the higher cost wants a redo commission you give them two to be fair and flexible). Adding this new tier is adding a cost just to allow someone to pay for extra privileges rather than them paying for you to do extra work. Yes, you will have to do extra work to make and run the extra polls, but you'll have to do that regardless of how many people join this tier. Just because you make this tier you will be doing this with all the commission tiers (so even if the tier is empty and no one pledges with it, because this is something you are offering you'll be making all the polls anyway). So by switching from the 10 to the 20 tier and paying you more what you do for the Patreon doesn't actually change, just what they have access to. -- Now -- That's fine and your decision to make: you are a business and your goal is to make money (at least in part, as you have shown that you also care about fostering a good community which is very nice for us!). However: it would be the first decision (at least that I have seen) which shows you are making a decision which is beneficial to you without being beneficial to your supporters. I'm sure if you make this tier you will get more money; for which I (personally) will be legitimately happy for you, as I do want you to succeed and prosper here! 4) I see other people commenting on the fact that really only some percentage of the images in a set are what they care about. This is true for me as well, but I view it as a numbers game: the more images are generated, the more good ones there are on average (unless the quality decreases, but that hasn't been the case for your work). Yes, it'd be nice to be able to specify exactly the poses we want in the commission, but I also know that isn't how AI works... at some level you can only get what you can get. Sometimes I'm really excited about a set and find that my favorite poses are missing, it happens, I get it. But when that happens, often there are other poses which are not my favorite that come out exceedingly well for that set. Would I prefer just 50 of my favorite poses / images yeah, but I don't know for certain what that will be going in (because I don't know what the AI will spit out for that pose). There is luck involved but I knew this was the case when I signed up. The fact is you do an amazing job at creating diverse sets with lots of options for everyone AND are very receptive to feedback / incorporating new ideas into your sets. There are many examples of you modifying your sets when you have no obligation to do so just to be kind to the rest of us. This is part of why I'm subscribed despite the high cost, and will happily continue to support your amazing work (even when the cost goes up a bit). 5) I've said this before: your content is awesome you do put in extra work for all of us and I, for one, appreciate it!

Евгений
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Hi, sorry for the late reply: 1. Grand idea: indeed, it’s worth keeping 3-5 characters for random selection; 2. Since the posts will alternate with the Redo Sets, and, for example, another 5 posts will be for random selection, there will be 10 posts available for character voting. I could hold the voting once a month to select 10 winners at once. For example, I could set a specific date each month (e.g., the 1st of every month). However, there is also a 7-10 day gap between the Redo sets when they finish. I could hold the voting for the Redo sets earlier or select more characters from the list for voting on daily posts (those that are not Redo). What do you think of this idea? 3. I will have to do additional work in any case because I am now using an updated AI. I am now adding all the characters again – completely from scratch, as the old settings no longer work. I saw that some other creators did this and thought, why not do the same? 😅 4. I will try to add as many different poses as possible to the sets. It is much easier now than it was before. For commissions, I will allow choosing 1-2 additional poses. And thank you very much for your feedback! And for your support! I really appreciate it. But I am still not sure if I will introduce the new tier. Most likely, I will not. Maybe someday in the future 😊