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2024-06-23 12:14:43
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I would like to discuss with you a few new features that I plan to add to Patreon. All of them relate to subscriptions. Everything consists of several points (this is just a draft – I want to hear your opinion and will complete the description):

  • I want to add a new tier for 20 euros. With this tier, you will have the opportunity to participate in the character voting that I do every day (regular Daily Post). There are currently 15 of them per month. As before, I plan to do Character Redo (as I have done 3 times already). All users, regardless of subscription, will participate in the Character Redo votes. However, new characters will only be chosen by users of the 20 euro tier and other more expensive tiers.

  • The tiers with commissions will become a bit more expensive. Each one will be 5 euros more expensive. Accordingly, 30 and 50 euros (I think this is quite fair, as I am now doing many more poses than before).

P.S. For users of the 10 euro tier, nothing changes.

P.P.S. For users of the new 20 euro tier and those with more expensive tiers, I will create a special chat where you can suggest characters. I think it will be possible to suggest them without limit for each user. I plan to conduct voting in 2 stages (it could be done in 1 stage, but Patreon does not allow polls with more than 25 options). First, I will conduct a poll on strawpoll.com, then I will select 15-25 winners from there and create a second poll within Patreon to choose the final winner. Why is the second stage necessary? Because I will not be able to control who exactly voted on strawpoll (anyone can invite friends and vote for a character – this would be unfair to others).

P.P.P.S. Also, I may not make all the characters that win the polls – instead, I will take others that are next in line and have received fewer votes and did not make it to the favorites (but were close).

I probably forgot to mention something, but in any case, "truth is born in dialogue" – in our case, in polylogue.

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weskersc

In my opinion, I really appreciate that the smallest subscription option remains the same, because in my political/economic context in my country I cannot afford to spend in dollars. With this I do not mean that the subscription is expensive, what happens is that The local currency of my country is devalued quickly and added to a great inflation and recession, I must be careful with what I spend. But for my part, even if it is the smallest option, as long as I can, I will continue supporting the channel since I consider the work you do to be very good and like all good work it deserves to be supported!

Евгений
>>141617848

Thank you for your message and support! I understand your situation and I’m glad that the smallest subscription remains accessible for you. Your support, even with limited means, is very important to me and motivates me to continue creating quality content. And I hope that my content continues to bring you joy 😊

Sam

I think leaving the lowest tier the same is good. Having a second tier for voting feels fine, bc there is a huge list of requests and how do you appeal to all? you cant really, so I understand making a second tier for voting power. Depending on how the voting polls will work, there is chance it could became slightly unfair and stale, Recently when votings have ended you added a new character to the generation process regardless of the voting like an extra pick from the list at random, will that still be the case? And for increasing the commission tier, I dont see more poses as a good reason for increase(For example, personally I dont need 200Pics, I would rather have like 100 with a selection of poses I like instead of all poses. bc even the commission i had made i skip about 30% of the pictures anyhow, bc they didnt appeal to me) But it is totally fair of you to say, the effort and work you put into a commission is not making the money you think it is worth. That is a totally valid reason(in the end the amount of subs will decide what the worth is) So I wonder if there is an even better way of adding subs, like keep the current commission sub or a cheaper sub but with less total pics (and like less poses/themes that can be specified beforehand) or the full array of all pictures for the more expensive sub. Sorry this a really long comment, but its also a very delicate/complex topic. also nothing was meant to be rude, I am just trying to give perspective.

Евгений
>>141621553

I appreciate your opinion 👍 1) Regarding the character I added, despite the winners in the poll. I was planning the content in advance, and in order to have something to publish, I took Rapunzel (she was a favorite on the second day of voting). But on the 3rd day of voting, she was removed from her place, and she lost. But since I made her in advance, I just added her, without removing anyone. And yes, I will also add characters to the vote (exclusively those that I can make). But it is not up to me to decide whether they win. I will only make them if I cannot make other characters. Based on my experience with commissions, I have not been able to make about 10 characters in all this time. 2) Regarding the order of poses. I allow this if I have already done them, and if there are only 1-2 of them in the order (but I always clarify that it is not a fact that I will get them this time - it depends on the character model). 3) Also, I do not want to create many different tariffs (with the number of available poses, the total number of images...). Maybe in the future I will consider this option

Sam
>>141621553

Hey thank you for the reply =) this is all quite understandable. and Ill be interested to see how it will turn out. Ahh that explains alot about 1) My train of thought was even though the results said these x models you still added a random model regardless, didnt know it was one choice from the top. And so my last question is, will every new Model from now on be from the polling or will you still add a random character from the request list/your personal favourite list from time to time as an extra besides the vote results?

Hunzo the Tumultuous

You could keep the tiers the same , and add a tier that’s half the price of the low tier- that gets half the amount of photos, and no votes? The cheaper tier would help you reach a broader fan base and most likely lead to them upgrading.

Евгений
>>141621553

I will add characters to the voting list that I am able to create (there will be a few of them). But it’s up to you whether to vote for them or not. Suppose 7 characters win. If I can't create one of them, I will move down the list to the character in the 8th place, and so on. That is, I will take the next character on the list with the highest number of votes

Arsenelle

I'll be honest I'm not sure the idea of increasing the price is totally justified. As someone who would very much like coming back to the higher tiers, my major issue is a lack of influence over what images I actually receive. If I had the ability to choose what poses I get, then things would be different. As they are I can just suggest things, and other things are totally off limits. To be honest I don't really understand this system. It is what it is, but while I like the ordinary poses and such, I am more interested in the sexual content. While I was getting commissions, a few of my choices had almost no such content at all. I feel like if I am paying that much money, then I should be able to request what I like, and expect to get it at least somewhat fulfilled. As it stands, it feels like commissions are somewhat of a roulette, and I just couldn't justify ever paying that kind of money for a random output of content. I personally would gladly pay into the commission tier for LESS images, if I could dictate more directly what the content of those images were to be. But getting a few hundred pictures with only a handful of them being what I am looking for does not seem worth the cost. It is at the end of the day, your Patreon and you are the one who get's to decide the cost. I'm still kinda sad about this announcement though, because It doesn't seem like it actually benefits the supporters all that much, rather pay walling off a large amount of people from having influence, while not necessarily improving the quality of content for those who actually can afford it.

Евгений
>>141676562

I appreciate your opinion 👍 1) There should be no sex positions in commissions at all. I do them simply on a whim. Doesn't this justify raising the price by such a small amount? (after all, they are now constantly in the commissions). I can leave the old price, but completely remove sex positions, as before. But few people will like this option. I now spend much more time on commissions than before. Initially, I wanted to raise the prices even more, but I decided that such a price increase would be optimal. 2) How do I limit people from influence? If now, in fact, I make daily posts on random. The influence of users is minimal. Therefore, I offer this opportunity. I will not force anyone to switch to the new tariff. Everyone can stay on the 10 euro tariff - no conditions change there 3) I always allow 1-2 poses to be ordered if I have already done them (and if they will work with this character model)

Евгений

In any case, I won't implement this for at least a month. I still have a lot to improve

Sam
>>141621553

ah okay, I see, thank you for the response. now i understand.

Arsenelle
>>141676562

Well this was enlightening. This does not seem like an "opportunity" at all. 1: No. No this does not justify raising the price. If I am paying you for a set of images, I should be able to choose what those images/poses/positions should be from the start. IF THAT was the case, then I would say a small price increase could be justified. You can criticize if you like, but the sex positions are what I am interested in. You yourself seem completely aware that people WANT sex positions in these sets, but you have arbitrarily decided that you will not offer this as an option regardless of how much someone pays. 2: You missed my point. People who pay more for the commission tiers SHOULD have more influence. This seems like simple logic to me. It's fine and good that you do daily, random posts. But again, IF I PAY more for your product, I SHOULD have more say in the results. The idea of purposefully limiting people despite paying potentially FIFTY dollars a month seems just.....a little greedy. I have a GYM membership that costs half that price. And they give me EXACTLY what I want for the price. At the end of the day, its your Patreon, and it's clear my opinion isn't going to change anything. This has all been very depressing. I really thought that over time you'd be expanding opportunities for content. I just can't really justify even spending on the 10$ tier at this point. Best of luck to you. You have a really cool thing going here, and I had high hopes for it.

Евгений
>>141676562

1) Over time, I will indeed create more opportunities for commissions (for example, a choice of poses - but I will have to limit myself to tiny sets, because I work alone - and I am not a robot). I understand that everyone would like to have a personal slave for 25-50 euros, but alas. 2) In tiers with commissions, it is not about influence. There I offer something different - you can read the conditions again (they are described in the tiers themselves - and in sufficient detail). Also, I do not persuade anyone to switch to a new tier. Users who pay 10 euros will not notice changes in pricing and content planning. They will only notice a gradual improvement of the content as before (which I do constantly). I don't understand making a mountain out of a molehill.

gperry

The sex positions are actually very difficult to produce.

Shokuhou Misaki

Late reply, but better late than never: Some specific responses: - "tiers with commissions will become a bit more expensive" : Fine by me! While I'm obviously not thrilled to pay more money, it is what it is. The description on the tier is 15 - 100 images and you (almost) always go above that. I'd probably be pretty upset with the price raise if the commissions were routinely 30 - 60 images, but I feel like you make a large effort to go above and beyond what's necessary, so I really not upset at all and won't complain :) - "For users of the 10 euro tier, nothing changes" : I think this is important to any change you make. (But this is just my opinion) - "create a second poll within Patreon to choose the final winner" : I'm confused? Is there only going to be one winner per poll? Or will it be like the redo sets where we one vote for the next month and a half? Having a new vote every other day would be clunky? And some more general responses: 1) I think it's really important that as least some of the regular sets (the ones that aren't commissions or character redos) are still chosen by you / randomly. There are some characters that someone out there cares about, and even if they aren't popular (and therefore won't get many votes) I think that person should have the chance that they get lucky and can see their character made by you eventually. If you add this new tier I wonder what a fair split for daily posts would end up being? (15 redo + 12 chosen new + 3 random new per month maybe?). I don't know, whatever you think is good! 2) I do wonder if limiting the number of suggestions at some point might be prudent? You are getting well over one suggestion a day (and with all the redo sets, there's no way you can keep up with that. Maybe doing something where you limit each user to 1-2 requests (and then once their request(s) are made they can make another?) that would require a ton of extra tracking though. Idk, there isn't a perfect solution here (I guess eventually people will run out of characters they want to see?) 3) Why do you actually want to add another tier? It seems like the system you have is pretty elegant you have one base tier for full access to all your content this is fair and awesome that you have this. And then, you also allow people to make specific commissions right now rather than wait for their suggestions to go through the regular posts. Because doing a commission is more work for you it makes sense that a commission would cost more. So you charge more for a commission. But actually commissions for characters you've already done are easier than new commissions so, since one is more work than the other one costs more than the other (and if some in the higher cost wants a redo commission you give them two to be fair and flexible). Adding this new tier is adding a cost just to allow someone to pay for extra privileges rather than them paying for you to do extra work. Yes, you will have to do extra work to make and run the extra polls, but you'll have to do that regardless of how many people join this tier. Just because you make this tier you will be doing this with all the commission tiers (so even if the tier is empty and no one pledges with it, because this is something you are offering you'll be making all the polls anyway). So by switching from the 10 to the 20 tier and paying you more what you do for the Patreon doesn't actually change, just what they have access to. -- Now -- That's fine and your decision to make: you are a business and your goal is to make money (at least in part, as you have shown that you also care about fostering a good community which is very nice for us!). However: it would be the first decision (at least that I have seen) which shows you are making a decision which is beneficial to you without being beneficial to your supporters. I'm sure if you make this tier you will get more money; for which I (personally) will be legitimately happy for you, as I do want you to succeed and prosper here! 4) I see other people commenting on the fact that really only some percentage of the images in a set are what they care about. This is true for me as well, but I view it as a numbers game: the more images are generated, the more good ones there are on average (unless the quality decreases, but that hasn't been the case for your work). Yes, it'd be nice to be able to specify exactly the poses we want in the commission, but I also know that isn't how AI works... at some level you can only get what you can get. Sometimes I'm really excited about a set and find that my favorite poses are missing, it happens, I get it. But when that happens, often there are other poses which are not my favorite that come out exceedingly well for that set. Would I prefer just 50 of my favorite poses / images yeah, but I don't know for certain what that will be going in (because I don't know what the AI will spit out for that pose). There is luck involved but I knew this was the case when I signed up. The fact is you do an amazing job at creating diverse sets with lots of options for everyone AND are very receptive to feedback / incorporating new ideas into your sets. There are many examples of you modifying your sets when you have no obligation to do so just to be kind to the rest of us. This is part of why I'm subscribed despite the high cost, and will happily continue to support your amazing work (even when the cost goes up a bit). 5) I've said this before: your content is awesome you do put in extra work for all of us and I, for one, appreciate it!

Евгений
>>142656784

Hi, sorry for the late reply: 1. Grand idea: indeed, it’s worth keeping 3-5 characters for random selection; 2. Since the posts will alternate with the Redo Sets, and, for example, another 5 posts will be for random selection, there will be 10 posts available for character voting. I could hold the voting once a month to select 10 winners at once. For example, I could set a specific date each month (e.g., the 1st of every month). However, there is also a 7-10 day gap between the Redo sets when they finish. I could hold the voting for the Redo sets earlier or select more characters from the list for voting on daily posts (those that are not Redo). What do you think of this idea? 3. I will have to do additional work in any case because I am now using an updated AI. I am now adding all the characters again – completely from scratch, as the old settings no longer work. I saw that some other creators did this and thought, why not do the same? 😅 4. I will try to add as many different poses as possible to the sets. It is much easier now than it was before. For commissions, I will allow choosing 1-2 additional poses. And thank you very much for your feedback! And for your support! I really appreciate it. But I am still not sure if I will introduce the new tier. Most likely, I will not. Maybe someday in the future 😊

Shokuhou Misaki
>>142656784

1) Yay! 2) I think that makes sense! I think either (A) filling in the gap in redo sets with random/voted characters or (B) just holding the next redo vote while the last of the previous redo sets are filling up both make a lot of sense. I guess it depends on whether you want more redo characters or more new characters? My preference would probably be for more new characters, but that's just me. 3) Fair enough! I'm looking forward to seeing more with the new model. I'm curious if you'll still make sets with the old one from time to time (or maybe the new model will just be better in every way!) 4) Oooh! I look forward to my next commission then! 😊 Of course: I appreciate your dedication to your community and your content (you really are a master at this)!

Chris
>>141621553

Sorry to ask, are you BR? Because currency depreciating is up to us. And I understand and I'm in your situation, having to choose well where to spend and especially in relation to leisure/fun.

Chris
>>141617848

Sorry to ask, are you BR? Because currency depreciating is up to us. And I understand and I'm in your situation, having to choose well where to spend and especially in relation to leisure/fun.

weskersc
>>141617848

It's okay to ask! I'm from Arg, I think that here we are now much worse than there haha greetings neighbor!