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Was any Titan really a "Titan"? What SHOULD a Titan be? (Die Shrink Telegrams) (Patreon)

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2022-02-23 01:52:48
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2022-04

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A while back we did an episode discussing the original Titan 6GB based on Kepler...and now we want to discuss the other ones!  From Titan Maxwell, to Titan Volta - did any of these deserve the name "Titan"?

Additionally, we have decent indications that AMD's RDNA 3 flagship will be VERY powerful...and also VERY expensive (for AMD) - how good would it need to be for you to be ok with it being a $2000 - $3000 "Titan Class" product?  What level of performance would justify that price?


You have ~24 hours to submit your thoughts and questions below!

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Anonymous

Paid $1200 for a 6900xt at MSRP. My goal is 120 FPS VR and 4K ultra graphics. Whatever continues to deliver that, I’ll buy. As for the Titan, feels like the 90 series is the replacement. Models with higher ram allow for flexible prosumer content creation with gaming power. It is a niche, and undoubtedly bragging rights / ego play into this as well.

Dr Forbin

Nobody except old school gamers expect GPU's to be inexpensive, with that said creators expect to pay for the best to do work. Whatever the price will be for creator tier or game God tier, those users are a small percentage of GPU market. Pricing of $1200 to $1500 for God gamer tier and $2000 or more for creator tier may be a real thing but most gamers will not be lining up for that pricing tier. You must ask will there be a backlash if that is the asking price from NVidia, AMD/Radeon or even Intel? Most gamers typically expect to pay between 400 to 600 for a high mid-tier gaming card. The question is will GPU makers ignore the masses and allow console makers to fill that void?

Anonymous

The problem with the original Titan was that it was 2x more expensive than GTX 680, but it wasn't even 2x faster. If the AMD "Titan" will be 3x more expensive than 6900 XT, but only 2x faster, then the situation will be similar.

Anonymous
>>78453722

According to Raja Koduri (see https://youtu.be/fBHYdoSYMZk?t=627), 84% of PC gamers buy $100-300 graphics cards.

Anonymous

Entering a Titan Class level GPU for Radeon? First things first, the Titan Class Nvidia GPUs were never meant for JUST gamers or gaming. There's a deliberate reason for separating the card from GeForce, TO TELL YOU IT'S NOT FOR GAMING! Just wanted to get the trivial facts out the way. That said, the Titan cards were not aimed for gaming enthusiasts, in my mind it was made for people that needed the extra features such as large VRAM pools and applications that required such VRAM amounts. Oh, and to mention, with that hefty price and extra stuff, you had to know exactly why you were buying it. Yeah marketing can say performance is the best but like that's not the real reason why you would buy a Titan. Buying for that reason is simply a bad purchasing decision. The problem with this generation of GPUs is that Nvidia muddled the 3090 between being a gaming card and a creator-focused GPU. I know a film studio producer that ordered 3090s for his production PCs because he knew what he needed them for. The 24GB of VRAM in the GPUs were a must-have for him. For gamers? Who the hell needs 24GB of VRAM? I don't know a single game that actually requires 24GB let alone 16, at most 12 and a GB more at very high resolutions and very high detailing. Nvidia just shoved a higher price into a gaming class of product and people bought them because they were tricked into that marketing. At the end of the day, I'm not sure if a Titan product from Radeon would be something that most people would be interested in that are IN THAT MARKET if AMD decides to brand it as a separate class from is RX lineup. People that are in professional workflows, jobs, etc., depend on reliability and stability to get their work done. Nvidia high end class GPUs already have a proven track record for most people and that will continue to be their go-to. There simply isn't is a justified reason to go to AMD for Titan class GPUs unless AMD can provide superior software compatibility and support than Nvidia, which will remain to be seen. So, yes, the Titan brand was necessary. But was it deserved? Depends on who's answering. Gamers with a performance oriented mindset, no. Creators or people in that market for those extra features? They might care less if it was branded as a "King of Kings".

Anonymous

The original Titan had a party trick - much higher FP64 performance, twice the VRAM of 780 Ti and it was released 8 months before the 780 Ti, so all us plebs could salivate over it. Maxwell Titan X was a 980 Ti with twice the VRAM and released just 2.5 months before the 980 Ti, so in my opinion Titan X is a hard pass. Pascal Titan X was basically just a 1080 Ti with 1GB of extra VRAM, but it was released full seven months before the 1080 Ti, still I think that it also isn't deserving of the name. It would be if Nvidia never released 1080 Ti, but that would have been a sad turn of events. Now Titan V really is something special, especially when placed next to all the other Titans, HBM2 and crazy high FP64 performance, but was Titan V ever used by rich gamers? Titan RTX was unfortunately a return to boredom, a 2080 Ti with 24GB VRAM released after 2080 Ti. So of all the Titans only Volta stands out and it's not even aimed at gamers, the rest are boring town. The Titan needs to have a party trick that the rest of the GTX/RTX family does not have.

Loophole35

The only one I feel deserved the name Titan was the Volta based card. Outside of that the Titan name was used to “justify” the outlandish increase (at the time) in price. For AMD the top end card being a full 2x the performance of the 6900xtx in raw rasterization and at least 3x the Raytracing performance would be enough I feel to price the card at close to $2000. I feel they maybe priced the 6900xt a little low I would have put it at $1199 MSRP if I were in charge. Knowing that it will still be 256 bit bus and GDDR6 I don’t see going past the $2k mark as reasonable. The cost to make the 7900xt even with MCM should not be double what it cost to make the 6900xt. So the profits on this card should be great. AMD should not pull an Nvidia but if I’m honest with myself they have already shown tendency to get full of themselves.

Chris Rijk

I think on performance and price alone, it would make sense to put the flagship under a different name. If it comes with about 32GB of VRAM and pro drivers, I don’t think they need additional justification. If they do want additional differentiation, one possibility would be integrated flash storage to speed up load times and so on. I remember you talking about this around the time of the PS5 launch. Another possibility is to allow the GPU and CPU to connect directly. This is something AMD do with their Instinct MI250X GPU cards and the Infinity Fabric 3.0 used there supports cache coherency between the CPU and the GPU. That would require a different socket and would require support on the processor too but is something they could do with a next generation Threadripper or Threadripper Pro socket.

Sarcastro

Simply put, Titans are the biggest, most luxurious , unsinkable GPU to sail the Ether. Titans should be named here after as exampled; the 4099-Titan-ic.

Anonymous

I find it quite strange that AMD has pushed RDNA 2, which uses a large cache for gaming performance in its pro line, they even did so with Apple. The Radeon VII Pro and Duo variants seem much more balanced for workstation compute loads, e.g. lots of stream processors with massive memory bandwidth. AMD's split lines make a prosumer "Titan" card a really weird spot to fill. RDNA 3 with HBM2e maybe? CDNA 2 with a 384+ bit GDDR6 bus? Cut down data center cards? I just feel that the pure memory bandwidth of RDNA 3 will not be enough to keep up on professional workloads.

Anonymous

I'm still disappointed that the 3090 TI is not a Titan...it's filling the hardware slot, it just won't have the semi-pro drivers. Or...maybe there was a return to rear memory chips planned and a full GA102 with 48GB...who knows