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Was the RX 6500 XT at least a good idea? (Die Shrink Telegrams) (Patreon)

Published:
2022-01-21 01:59:37
Edited:
2022-01-25 19:30:14
Imported:
2022-04

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Offline conversations with Steve at HUB, and Dan of MLID have lead to a thought - maybe the execution wasn't perfect, but is the idea of a gamer-only low end card a good one?

Miners aren't going anywhere, and an ever-expanding industry of creators can justify paying far more than gamers for a given level of performance...should there be something like the 6500 XT in every future lineup?  Should there be a couple of "gamer-only" dies?

We want to discuss this with you!  Besides a lower price (duh), what could have made the RX 6500 XT a good "gamer only" card?  What minimum non-gaming features should a card have?  What can a GPU get rid of to dissuade "creators" and miners from buying them?  What should an "RX 7500 XT" be?


You have 24 hours to write in below with your thoughts, comments, and questions!

Comments

Anonymous

AMD should slap an Nvidia logo on their next gen cards to improve sales

Chris Rijk

With regards to the 6500 XT's performance and the reactions by reviewers, it seems most felt that having just 4 lanes was taking "cost cutting" too far. I think this is reasonable, though as you have covered this is more of a side-effect of it being repurposed into something it wasn’t actually designed for. However, I think this also encouraged reviewers to bash other examples of "cost cutting" more than they would have otherwise.

Chris Rijk

With regards to what an "RX 7500 XT" should be, I think it would still need to be designed with PCI Express 3.0 in mind, so either 8 lanes or 6GB VRAM or both. Primary goal should be maximum price/performance in games for the targeted MSRP, with any other goals being secondary. Given that such a card would probably be 1.5 - 2 years away, I think an interesting possibility would be the following: instead of a monolithic die, design the GPU for the RX 7500 XT as a chiplet and re-use the I/O chiplet from Zen 4. That would save die space and allow the use of cheaper DDR5 memory. This assumes that the cost and performance of chiplet interconnect technologies improves enough to make this viable by the time the card is released. If that works then that also means that an APU with the same I/O chiplet, same GPU chiplet combined with a Zen 4 CPU chiplet should also be viable.

Anonymous

Just want to comment that the people comparing this to the 580 have usually failed to acknowledge that 2022 is not 2017, both in market conditions and the overall state of the world, not to mention the disturbingly undiscussed high rates of inflation seen the last year. Not to be a downer, but if people are this upset about GPU availability, just wait for the shitstorm(s) caused by the looming climate crisis. Historically there has never been a guarantee of continuous progress, that is a very recent and possibly temporary thing.

Anonymous

Thinking about this topic some more I think I agree with your idea of RX 6490 - either backported RDNA/RDNA2 or just keep manufacturing Polaris. From the info you’ve provided we know that the second option is not feasible because GDDR5 availability is an issue, and Global Foundries is booked for years, though to be fair a lot of the capacity is booked by AMD.

Anonymous

I think it is good for the market at least in my situation. Someone like me can buy the card for maybe €250 and then sell my gtx970 for €200. This mean’s I pay €50 to up/side grade to a product that isn’t around the corner from losing support from nvidia. I have a pci-e 4.0 slot because I upgraded my mobo just before the Ampere/RDNA 2 launch so performance will be okay. But what about people on pci-e 3.0? Well some lucky sod will have an easier time buying a 970 if they so wish because I am selling mine. 6500xt isn’t great but it still better than what I have and I don’t have to worry about my card failing any more.

Anonymous

I dabble a bit in flipping used Gaming PCs and doing custom builds in my local market for a side hustle. The RX 6500xt is a perfect card for my low end builds and flips even considering it's lack of encode/decode and limited PCI. Nearly all of the questions I get about performance in games revolves around online shooters. Between a $200 and $250 cost to purchase I'd love to stop hounding FB and CL for used cards that are always a hit or miss gamble. Consistent, reliable performance at that price would be great if AMD can hold the market.

Anonymous

Was putting 4x pcie intelligent? I'm not sure how much cost difference or anything but if it was intended as an anti mining measure id like to point out that gpu mining runs cards run at 1x. It seems to me that a x16 interface would have made this card totally viable and 4gb of vram means miners are significantly less interested (I sure didn't bother)

Anonymous

I believe in Dr. Su, I’m not sure what information her decisions are based on but I think the 6500xt will sell in large volumes and be profitable for AMD. It can play Fortnite at ultra settings at 144hz, that’s all it needed to do to fill the gap and satisfy the severely underserved low end market before crypto crashes and the competition decides that segment is worth catering to. What are you expecting from the 7500xt?

Sarcastro

Tom, Some of the features which were not included seem to be included for content creation? Are cards like the 1650, 5500 and now 6500xt used in content creation? For the low-end, it would seem reasonable to not include these features if it kept cost down. The other feature which seems it could jettisoned for now is ray tracing. While RT may be a thing in a few more generations (I think the frame rate hit should be 15% or less for serious consideration of using RT) that seems to be a completely useless feature at this end of the stack. Think of even a 4gb 5600xt like card with 6nm architecture, next gen NAVI, the x16 interface with CU's, Stream processors, texture units scaled up with the cost of those pretty much useless ray accelerators?

Anonymous

With the prises we have on gfx cards it's impossible to upgrade or buy newer games. I have 3700x and my system will be stuck here as long I can't buy a decent gfx card. I think this will bring the whole industri on a downturn. Why by new hardware? Why buy new games? Why look tech tubers on yt?

Christopher Mullins

7500 xt just needs 8x pcie 96bit 6gb 24mb inf cache and 30% more flops. It would crush the 6500 xt. I would purchase 2 of them today.