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Jarrod'sTech - Tiger Lake, Cezanne, Laptop Design in 2021 - Telegrams for Guests (Patreon)

Published:
2021-05-26 17:02:13
Imported:
2021-12

Content

Broken Silicon's next guest will be Jarrod'sTech.  We plan to heavily discuss Tiger Lake, Cezanne, modern laptop design, and upcoming releases.


Jarrod's Channel:

https://www.youtube.com/c/JarrodsTech/featured


You have two days (till Friday Early Afternoon) to submit thoughts and questions for both of us!  Remember to be concise, use good grammar, and don't be shy!   We will get to as many of the well-written questions as we can during the recording.

Comments

KarbinCry

Most important question. Is it laptop, or notebook???

Anonymous

Do you think multi GPU and CPU dies will come to laptops? If so, at what point will it become realistic over one bigger die.

Anonymous

Hey Jarrod, love your videos. I have a question on your thoughts about RDNA in APUs. Do you think AMD may have made a mistake by not including RNDA into Renoir and specifically Cezanne by this point? Or do you think it's been okay to use updated iterations of Vega, albeit at much higher clocks than before but seemingly lower CU counts than expected. With RDNA at 8-12 CUs in Cezanne would have easily made fairly capable thin and light laptops when it comes to gaming.

Anonymous

Do you think eGPUs will ever become more than just an expensive novelty for enthusiasts?

Anonymous

Why are there not more Ryzen laptops with usb4 on them? I have noticed that if you want a good laptop with high bandwidth connectivity you are pretty much limited to an Intel system.

Anonymous

As a first gen blade 15 owner, laptop cpu temps seem to have hotter running temps (laptop @ ~80+ degrees) than desktop (below 80 in most builds). This always had me paranoid about the days of molten plastic hp and dells. Do you think the market having a much higher temperature standard in laptops contributes to lower product life in laptops? Ps this is geared toward the gamer crowd than general computer population.

Anonymous

Hello Tom and Jarrod, I don't have a question for this one just wanted to let you guys know I'm super excited for this one. I've been thinking about getting a tiger lake laptop like the rog m16 for the feature set as compared to the g15 but price and performance are going to guide my decision. Love your work Jarrod!

B. Fish

Hey Tom and Jarrod, love both channels, always appreciate Jarrod's metal tshirts. RIP Alexi Laiho. My question is for both of you and speculation on Rembrandt in laptops. With the speculation that Rembrandt could include 12 CU of RDNA 2, what kind of performance would you expect out of that? Are playable 1080p graphics with an integrated GPU coming this generation?

MelodicWarrior

Hi Tom and Jarrod! In your point of view, what has been like to see the progression Ryzen laptops have made since they debuted several years ago? In your opinion, has the cooling effectiveness of laptop improved or stagnated? I ask this because my personal experience with gaming laptops (and my PC gaming) started with the Asus ROG G750JS [uses i7-4700HQ]. It was one of the coolest designs at the time not exceeding temps above 92 under a full load. However when I recently tested a Ryzen 5600x on a new HP gaming model, I found under a title like Dirt 5 that the temps were pretty easy to keep near 86 and still get the performance required. I feel like the AMD systems have come much farther in their cooling and efficiency than their Intel counterparts in the last 4 years. At any rate, I love Tom's content and Yours as well Jarrod. P.S. - I am getting a special vinyl copy of August Burns Red's Leveler are you interested in it Jarrod?

Cleansweep

How do you feel about the quality of laptop cooling solutions and thermal interfaces? Has there been any improvement in the last two years. It seems like manufacturers still either block off airflow, apply mediocre/bad TIM, or both, depending on the design and target market.

Anonymous

Do you think there's room for thicc laptops? I see a lot of paper thin laptops that sound like jet engines once a single chrome tab opens up because there's so much focus on sleek design that has thermal and battery limitations. Am I alone in my love for FAA maximum batteries and enough volume for fans to function optimally?

Anonymous

Lets make a thought experiment and I would love to know why this is a bad idea or why it does not exist: The ASUS G14 was pretty well received, partly because it delivered new levels of performance to this kind of form factor. AMD has proven that it can deliver high performance custom silicon. If I would be one of the large, lifestyle focused OEMs like Dell or ASUS, I would order the following from AMD: An 8 core low power CPU with a RX470-level iGPU and HBM on package. I would deactivate the two cores that use the most power by default in the bios. I would reduce the port selection to a minimum (HDMI, USB-C-PD, USB-A) and place it on the back. I would NOT include any fans in the design. All points above result in a lot of saved space (no dGPU, no RAM, no fans, less ports). Now I would use the free space by filling it entirely with widely spaced copper fins. Additionally I would offer a combination of cooling pad (with two 120mm fans) and USB-C-PD (100W) docking station. This would make for a super slim, sub-1.5kg, 13-15 inch, always quiet, 1080p gaming machine. The only thing thing it could not do would be gaming on the go ... but who does that? For longer trips you would need to bring the docking station for gaming, but I don't think that would be a big problem form many. Why does this not exist? Efficiency since Polaris has doubled and a 6-core ULV-CPU from AMD fits in any power or cooling envelope imaginable. Whoever builds this would set the standard for thin and lights and dominate the news. (I think.)

Anonymous
>>60630875

Or let me ask this differently: Why did no-one care about the Intel Core i7-8809G? (14nm quad-core + 14nm 24CU Vega + 4GB HBM, all within 100W) Where is the 7/10nm version? Will Xe finally deliver?

Anonymous

Do you think the advent of USB4 will make eGPUs available for use on laptops with AMD CPU? If so, will this allow companies like Razer, who have invested heavily in eGPUs and the Thunderbolt ecosystem, to branch out and use AMD CPUs in some of their laptops? Could this be the reason why we are hearing rumors that Razer, one of the last major Intel holdouts, could finally be making the move to use AMD CPUs in some of their products?

Anonymous

Hi Tom and Jarrod! I've recently been super interested in thin-and-light performance laptops with 50-class cards like the Flow X13 and Razer Blade Stealth. I was wondering what you think of the industry moving towards packing more power into smaller designs. I'm also curious about the performance or usability point at which you'd personally be able to justify a smaller performance laptop over a larger, more traditional gaming laptop.

Anonymous

Hi Tom and Jarrod, recent fan that hates fans. Do you think fanless designs will come to other laptops than the MacBook Air? And if so, which cpu's do you think will be used for those models and when do you think we can get a hold of them?

qhfreddy

With Tiger Lake and Cezanne it feels like we are stuck in an awkward inbetween where if you want the best CPU performance you need to go with AMDs Zen 3 cores, but if you want good I/O you need to go with Tiger Lake... What do you think are the must haves (aside from availability) that would make Cezanne the unquestionable winner in the high end laptop space?

Anonymous

Not too long ago Tom had a small-form-factor case designer on who mentioned he hated the question, "why SFF over a laptop". I think the counter question is "why sacrifice performance and value for mobility when you don't have to?" Why do $5000 "gaming" laptops exist? You're going to have to plug the thing in anyway and a comparable desktop will be far less expensive... That's not to say all laptops are useless, but I really get the feeling that most people who want a powerful laptop would better benefit from SFF. Aside from that, why don't laptop-specific standards exist? I would love to pick a laptop case, monitor, components and change them out just as I do for a desktop.

Anonymous

Hey guys! I'm currently in the market for a new laptop with 15" or more for software development and college. Would you recommend getting something like Razer Blade 15 Advanced or Dell XPS 15 with 10th Gen Intel on Sale or should i wait for 11th Gen? I even thought of getting a new MacBook with 15" when it comes out with an ARM Chip. I'm not really going to use the Laptop for a lot of gaming, therefore I got a PS5. But it would still be nice to be able to play some upcoming Xbox/PC exclusive games on the Laptop. The laptop designs I'm interrested in unfortunately don't exist with AMD CPUs, or do you have any ideas? Thanks you two and keep on the great work!

The Immortal Cameraman

To what extent do you think FSR would affect the laptop space, particularly all-AMD laptops?

Type2501

With 3d stacking on die DRAM Lisa Su just showed in keynote. Which type of product do you guys think, would benefit the most from this tech? Is it 1. Very High core count cpu that need a lot of $ to feed the cores. Or 2. Apu in thin and light loptop that eliminate gtx1650 class dGPU?