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Intel 2024 Hopes & Dreams (Telegrams For Dieshrink) (Patreon)

Published:
2021-04-08 21:04:01
Edited:
2021-04-08 21:04:39
Imported:
2021-12

Content

Hot off the heels of Tom's latest Xe DG2 leak (with whispers of Lunar Lake), we want to keep the conversation going.  Tom & Dan obviously can't tell you most things, but we can probably hint at more than a few things:

-What products from Intel are you most hoping succeeds?

-What reservations or expectations for Intel (good or bad) do you have?

-What questions do you have for Tom & Dan about upcoming Intel products?

-In general what do you want from competition & innovation over the next few years?


Be concise, use good grammar, and be as thoughtful in your questions as possible.  You only have ~2 hours to get us questions for this one!


Video Referenced: https://youtu.be/84IV8VmQoY4

Comments

Anonymous

Since the last Broken Silicon about SFF PC's just got released. Do you think that Intel will make their gpus be competitive not simply in performance but also make a point of making their gpus smaller?

Tellos

I really hope Intels Graphics card idea becomes good, my biggest fear is continued lack of availability. Do you think Intel joining the Graphics card market will do for the shortage if it happens?

The Immortal Cameraman

I hope DG2 is successful. We need Intel to knock some heads in the GPU duopoly

Kevin Wise

If the estimated release time for Xe DG2 will be in 2022, how effective you you think this launch will be considering Hopper and RDNA3 will probably be launched during that year as well?

Anonymous

I hope value or price/performance will get MUCH better in the coming years. Efficiency should also improve, because it limits what can be done practically.

Anonymous

My Hope's and dreams are that Intel will be competetive with their nodes again, that supply will improve and that competitive pricing returns. How serious is Intel at opening up their fabs? Do they have any potential customers lined up?

Anonymous

With APUs from AMD and Intel being much better nowadays than they were before, do you think there will be, or even needs to be, a market for the lower end of GPUs? I'm talking like 1050 range when it came out. Imagination has good graphics tech, scaling out their powerVR IP to beyond just the iPhone, but the desktop market might be sized out for them if Intel can get their processors in shape.

Anonymous

1) Could you see Intel attempting their own version of Gsync/FreeSync? 2) Would having a whole generation of Radeon and Intel mid-range and above gpus (RDNA 2/ Xe) possess over 12GB of VRAM be enough for developers to actually start pushing textures in games over the 10 GB threshold in a far more common manner? Or is Nvidia underequipping their graphics card's VRAM enough of a bottleneck for game developers to continue constraining their game textures? If game developers continue being limited by VRAM in Nvidia gpus, then unless you want to keep a card as your primary for over 3 years, im wondering if 16 GB of VRAM is overcompensating, and 12 GB is the actual sweet spot.

Mia

1) Have you heard anything about the quality of DG2 drivers on Linux? It sounds like these drivers must be a significant departure from the integrated GPU ones. Intel has had fantastic Linux support, second only to maybe AMD. 2) What do you think Intel's medium-term plans are on the GPU side? You are saying they could enter very strong on the midrange side and possibly undercutting nvidia and AMD. Do you think with the next generation they'll shoot higher? If their first real attempt is already competing in the midrange, it seems if they keep up the pace they could do very well in the high end in the future.

Anonymous

Do you agree with people who say that if Intel enters the graphics market, that will knock out either AMD or Nvidia and there will always be only two competitors?

QuickJumper

Hi Tom I want to ask 2 questions. First one will new process node like 10nm give Intel that much boost in performance given that it probably won't clock nearly as well as refined 14nm node. Second question is. In terms of packaging and chiplet technologies. Who will most probably be more advanced technologically AMD or Intel, or maybe even Nvidia.

Anonymous
>>57354019

Here's hoping there's no shortage by q4 2021, or q1 2022

MelodicWarrior

Hi Tom and Dan. First off just wanted to say I like the 6700XT in the background *wink*. Now for the real question, is there any evidence to suggest that Intel's drivers and features are going to have some solid support from game devs out the gate or at least a short time afterwards?

Anonymous

Hey Tom and Dan, with Alder Lake possible coming out late this year do you think it's possible that AMD will refresh the Ryzen 5000 series to edge out Intel from retaking the crown, which in turn will cause Intel to slash prices of Alder Lake almost immediately after or before launch. $600 for 8+8 cores and 24 threads is a good price but $550 will be a better price

Anonymous

With Intel committing to a return to their former tick tock strategy of alternating between new process then new architecture, do you think they will change their fab strategy to be more similar to TSMC? Smaller increases in density but more regular, incremental improvements. Moving from 14nm took them ages as they insisted on a full node improvement instead of half steps. My hopes for Intel: A successful and very efficient uArch with mixed big.Little designs. New innovations and packaging like 3D stacking, on package memory and heterogeneous processors with mix and match tiles/accelerators. My expectations: Honestly, none at this point. I'm not even going to guess how successful the upcoming launches will be.

B. Fish

I'm primarily a mobile/apu user so my concerns with intel primarily revolve around that use case. Recent intel products in the mobile space have been underwhelming and the rembrandt/dragon crest generations should bring a big uptick in graphics performance. Can intel compete in power efficiency & graphics performance in these packages?

Chase

Hi Tom and Dan, do you have any specifics about what is coming after meteor lake as far as bold new technologies go? Minor bumps to IPC by expanding cache size and improving branch prediction are cool and all, but what sorts of _revolutionary_ changes are you hearing whispers of? I consider 3D stacking, as we've seen it used in something like Lakefield, to be more evolutionary than revolutionary.

Anonymous

Will Intel have to consider if it also has to start creating products that aren't married to x86? Would they want to either license ARM or work on RISC-V for example?

Anonymous

Hey Tom and Dan, do you think that the DIY computer market has seen significant growth during the last 2 years? Do you think this new size is here to stay, at least for a while? Are you aware of some market research with actual numbers in this field? Thanks in advance and keep up the great work!

Anonymous

Hi Tom and Dan, What have you heard regarding the US Gov's CHIPs program and investments in silicon and how that will affect Intel. Related (though beyond intel) what % would you give a scenario where we have CPU/GPU chip over capacity in 5 years (on the logic that we're at all time high demand and that will spur investment in expensive fabs by companies or perhaps by governments concerned about distant supplylines.) On a side note, Bloomberg's Odd Lots has done some nice work on chips recently. Would be a neat collab with traditional journalism. Keep up the great work.

Anonymous

Intel's dGPU entrance is exciting, but due to the current market and how Xe would still be on TSMC, it is hard for me to get excited until demand is low enough for competition to exist. I am excited for Intel to show up in the CPU market because I am not happy about Zen 3 prices, and I want to see a new addition to the $200 range. The one problem with a theoretical "Alder Lake budget gaming beast" is new platform and/or DDR5 prices.

Anonymous

Hi Tom and Dan, I just want to see intel shed some of its hubris. They're a Chip Maker, not MacAfee etc. etc. I want them to try, really push the boundaries again, not just keep milking 14 NM and resting on their laurels. The 11th gen is such a slap in the face and it should never have existed, but it does exist because intel hasn't actually cared about its chips for years. It's just a marketing machine that's just now run out of steam. I want to see them doing good again, see them be first with new pcie gens again, bringing unseen performance.

Anonymous

Hi Tom and Mr Fish slayer, oh I meant Dan :D. Here's just a few of my hopes for intel; 1)That they can provide something next level crazy with lunar lake. As an owner of an i5 8250u and an r5 3600, I would love for there to be something truly groundbreaking that just gives a night and day difference in performance/efficiency once I look for an upgrade on eBay . Maybe one day we could see intel release an ARM processor with full x86 compatibility and killer efficiency, enabling legacy support as there is supposedly this industry trend currently towards ARM. 2)Here's hoping at least someone at intel has planned out mega chiplet APUs so to speak, as frankly, they're overdue at this point. The ability to pair let's say a 6+8 core CPU tile with a 256EU GPU tile on intel 7nm is something that could easily take large portions of low end discrete marketshare from Nvida/AMD overnight as these things wouldn't need to come with coolers or PCBs, allowing them to price them fairly high, but still make financial sense for consumers. 3)That this play at the foundry business is successful and can compete solidly against TSMC once they get running in 2024/25, providing cheaper, yielding wafers for the industry. Eventually, in decades time, I could almost see intel splitting into two companies (like HP and HPE), where one group does chip desgin and system integration and the other is the foundry. I wonder who you think could be likely customers for IFS? I personally see AMD out of the picture, with the Xilinx acquisition showing they'll be more buddy buddy with TSMC, as noted from your rx6490 vid. Though Qualcomm, MSFT, Google and heck even Nvidia all seem fair game to me. Also if anyone were to be able to leave the inner circle of TSMC for dual sourcing and pull it off, it really would be apple. Have fun killing more fish

Jake_ Dude_23

Well, obviously I want a 10GHz dual core to be able to play Crisis as intended. Duh! 🙄 But in all seriousness, I just want Intel to make a product that forces prices down in the GPU space and maximizing competition. And when it comes to CPUs, I just want both AMD and Intel to keep up competition... I don’t want either company to fall behind again and causing stagnation. Thanks for the great content, you’ve made this last year of lockdown much easier than it otherwise would have been! 😁

MyLittlePwny

I'm looking forward to Ice Lake X or granite rapids or whatever the next HEDT platform is called. Wanna see more competition in that sphere. I've been hearing rumors of a potential new intel HEDT platform before the end of the year. Have you heard anything about this?

MajestNick

I'd love to see intel back with good CPUs with integrated graphics on the lower end. I think this is the future of smaller form factors, not to mention that lower end is a way into peoples good graces. (I'm thinking of first gen Ryzen being best at the lower end, even though they were competitive again at the top end) Do you think this is how Intel will target the market or will they go for halo products like HEDT first? (This might be influenced by the server market)

Anonymous

I wrote a question a little while ago where I asked you why we couldn't have more competition in the GPU/CPU space. You and Dan concluded that maybe 8 was too many but 4 or 5 would be good. Well, I definitely think that adding Intel into the GPU mix will be a great start. I was worried that Intel wouldn't have something to compete, but if the leaks are as accurate as you claim, then I think we are only going to see good things happen. I admit I'm a little skeptical of Xe's stability, especially in gaming because there's just simply no support yet. I think next generation will be worth considering, but they are off to a good start. My hope is that Intel keeps up the pressure so that AMD and NVIDIA have to respond, and we see at least a $50 reduction next generation across the board.

Anonymous

For the next 3 years I am not extremely excited about Intel, but after than will be extremely exciting time. I want to see really strong APUs from Intel and AMD.

Anonymous

My hopes are that Intel can innovate with their architecture and make APU's with excellent graphics to push AMD. Hopefully their graphics card can push GPU prices down for Nvidia and AMD.

Beech Horn

The big.LITTLE style design in Alder Lake and beyond has a lot of potential for low latency/fast polling device support on some always-on little cores, letting the big ones sleep or handle main processing tasks. Do you think Windows will be in a position to utilise these advantages with Intel’s newer designs any time soon?

Beech Horn

Is Xe easier to scale using mGPU technology? Could we see a return of multiple asymmetric graphics cards per system, especially as a way of upgrading?