Home Artists Posts Import Register
Patreon importer is back online! Tell your friends ✅

Content

What's up, Tomatinos.

I was just attempting to go through a lot of the comments on our $10 tier announcement post, but thought it might be better to address some of the feedback here.

First of all, I noticed a sentiment floating around that somehow $10 patrons' opinions will be "worth more to us" in some way. Let me just squash that right now. You are ALL our Patrons, no matter your contribution. I hope this post is indicative of that. 

As a side note, I noticed a lot of vitriol being spewed back and forth between people in the comments. I hope we can squash that shit, guys. We're all on the same boat here, we are all sons and daughters of Tomate (PBUH). We can hash shit out. Let me be clear, people expressing concerns over the $10 tier are not being "whiny" or "entitled" or any other pejorative you might want to fling. They're concerned and expressing it, and there is nothing wrong with that.

Some of you seemed to feel a bit cheated by the announcement of the $10 tier. That's disappointing to me, because the tier was designed with those feelings in mind. We didn't want to hide show content behind another paywall, that is what the Buffet is for, and always will be. 

The $10 dollar tier is a behind the scenes package. Quick videos from the road when we travel, cool pictures we take, an off the cuff food review at a restaurant we're eating at, a quick movie review shot in the parking lot right after we see it, a chat after FLASH FRIED. If those extras sound nice to you, then the Chef's Table is there. If not, the Buffet is always open, and always serving up the same steamy hot, flavorful content.

I'm not trying to discount your concerns, just explaining what our intent was in creating the 10$ tier. We're listening - to all of you - and I hope we can have a conversation that leads to some better understanding.

Leave me a comment here if you have any concerns, and I'll do my best to address them. Be sure to check back later, as I might not reply right away.

Thanks for listening, thanks for being our Patrons and thanks most of all for making what we do for a living possible. Our community has been strong from the very beginning, and I hope we can remain that way through communication.

Thanks for reading,

-Paul the Ball

Comments

Anonymous

I was donating 10 bucks before this tier just to show my extra support with no additional benefits!! Now what will I do?! Donate 11?!

justin Brown

I wanted a way to give more, you provided it with a thank you in addition. I get a ton of entertainment for 5$ and honestly 10$ isn't a burden to me. If you open up a 15$ or 20$ you'll have my support too. I want you guys to stay happy and well fed creators, you deserve to get every dime you can ask for and get.

Anonymous

Hey thanks for this message. You must realize that you will always get negative feedback when change happens. I will not be buying the $10 Tier, I don’t think most of us will. But for the ones who want to use it, I think it is a good offer. As long as you don’t give them Extra Main Content, I think this is fair. Thanks for everything Pidel

Anonymous

Ok well that cleared a lot up. I’m still gonna be a happy Patreon!

SuperDarthKelly

As long as this doesn't turn into a ridiculous 20 different tier patreon like a certain other podcast

Will Novak

Cheers Paul, I personally am happy with the $5 tier as it stands and don’t feel ‘cheated’ out of anything with the $10 tier at all. Maybe in future I might pledge $10 just to try it out but either way I’m happy with what we’re getting and am grateful for all the quality content ❤️

Anonymous

You guys offer far more bonus content at $5/month than basically any other creator I am aware of. Anyone complaining about you guys offering a higher tier with even MORE features is just a gluttonous pig and should worship at the roots of Senõr Tomate.

Anonymous

Interesting that I could tell it was Paul before I checked to see who wrote this

Anonymous

For those of us who want to "upgrade" so to speak from $5 to $10 a month, if we upgrade right away, will we still be charged $10 upfront considering we were just billed for this month or should we wait until next month to upgrade? Thanks

Anonymous

Senior Tomate is clearly an orange. :) Lol

Kafei

Thank you Senor Tomat

Austin Snyder

Never saw a problem with the chefs table. I personally am only willing to part with $5 every month. I debated even being a patron for dp. Dff definitely drew me in with pessimist productions $5 tier.

Anonymous

I don't have a problem with any of this, and I'm a bit stunned to discover there are some that do. Keep up the fine work, man.

DFFPodcast

I'm honestly not sure how this works. I believe that, if you upgrade, you will just be charged the additional $5 and be bumped up a tier. Maybe someone who upgraded can chime in and confirm?

Anonymous

I'm glad to have been here from the start. I have been a $5 Patron since day one, and I upgraded to $10 just because I enjoy all your content, and the fact that I was incentivized to donate more made it an easy choice. I love the fan community, and hope people don't become tribalistic over the teirs. We're all family here, let's just bounce to the rhythm of life.

Anonymous

After you guys briefly mentioned the new 10$ tear in the Cobain video, my initial reaction was something like “great now I have to pay more for the same content I’m receiving now or some extra content that would have normally be given 5$ Patreons will now only be given to the $10 Paterson’s” So I was a little salty, but I’m glad to hear the that’s now the case. Thanks Paul

Anonymous

May Señor Tomat bring peace and good will to his tomatinos, and a knowing in your heart that no matter how much you contribute, the rhythm of life pulses equally through you all. Now fill your bellies from the prodigious banquet of sweet nectar.

Anonymous

I believe the answer you're looking for is you should donate to each tier.

DFFPodcast

No worries man. If anyone understands salt, it's me. Glad we could clear the air.

Austin Snyder

I mean. If you read the email, it was clear enough.

Anonymous

My only issue is my own inability to afford the $10 teir.

Anonymous

I don’t have an issue with creating a new tier. It sounds fun, I might consider upping my donation. I went back and forth reading it in Paul’s voice and senor tomat’s.

Anonymous

Thanks for the clarification man.

Austin Snyder

Praise the tomate! (Praise the sun salute)

Jeffrey Searcy

DFF is firing on all cinder blocks! Thanks for the great content guys.

Anonymous

When it comes to every other group of content creators, Pessimist Productions is always ahead of the curb! ~ BongHitz4Jesus

Anonymous

Can you add a $1,000,000 tier that makes my opinion more important than the rest of the buffet goers? I want my potato salad and these PLEBS won't stop me >:)

Anonymous

Paul perhaps a highdeology? Maybe on the rest of that philosophical shit u were doing? -Cynical bastard

Anonymous

Nothing seemed to need clarifying to me, Paul, but thanks for reaching out. The biggest sentiment that I saw, and agreed with was just where the show was originally promoted as just one tier, and that's now changed. Not an issue on any big level for me, things change, but that was what I gathered was the big issue--more just criticizing on principle. I'm a bit of a tight spot financially right now, and BTS stuff doesn't do too much for me, so I'll be sticking at $5, and have no issue with adding new tiers as long as us $5 gang don't lose anything in the process (within reason obviously... again, things change, and we get that!). We get a lot of fantastic content from you guys, and it's worth every penny to me, which is why you're basically my last remaining Patreon pledge (outside of another for a friend). Keep doing what you're doing--loving the show!

DFFPodcast

I appreciate the comment, and I agree. Many people just seemed disappointed that we complicated things a bit after pushing the "one tier" so hard. I can't blame them, even though we did say things might change. I hope to ease some of that by being direct. Thanks again!

Anonymous

Give up the goods, fat man

Anonymous

Done with what

ShoreMcLoving

I'm worried about the amount of content that 10 dollar Patrons would get. It sounds like double the price for not that much more. I'm going to wait and see.

Anonymous

To me it just seems like a tier for people who want to give more. I don't understand the butthurt. jesus fuck people

Anonymous

For a lot of us here, it isn't all about the money. What made this Patreon unique was the inclusion of every single patron in every single event. I can go to any other Patreon and find examples of how they create more "exclusive" packages to feed subscribers. The truth is, you, T.J, and Scotty are incredible entertainers and we would all pay more if we could just so we felt "included". But a lot of us can't do that and now we do feel excluded. I am a first time patron-- I've never given money to another creator online, but this Patreon changed my mind. I am afraid that with this new sense of exclusion, I, along with others, just won't feel the benefits of being a part of the DFF family. It's emotional and maybe silly of us to demand that you guys have a Patreon unlike others, but that's what we expect-- we expect more from you guys than we do from Ben or the DP Patreon you were once a part of. You guys will only continue to gain subscribers and patrons if you continue to keep things honest and upfront. I have personally shared this podcast with multiple people (sending friends and family various clips). I wish this Chef's Table would disappear because I think it will only cause division and a strong sense of exclusion....For those of us here that can and would like to pay more, I'd suggest making a direct donation link so that people can make one-time donations along with their monthly Patreon pledge. Selling merchandise might also be a good option. The reason this is important is that Youtube isn't forever-- and the cohesion of this Patreon could be the thing that carries you all onto a new platform. Creating division here is simply not in the best interest of you all and your work, which we love.

Anonymous

Everything sounds fair to me.

Anonymous

I'm not a fan of you creating a new tier but I don't oppose it. It's your show so you can monotize it and run it how you please

Anonymous

Thank you for this post.

Rat squatch

Honestly its just worrying that you guys pushed so hard the 1 tier concept than just announce a new tier it just seems like what's to stop you from suddenly changing your minds from deciding to cut the 5 dollar tier?

Daniel Melle

I would be willing to pay for this upgrade, under one condition... TJ Scotty and you have to admit that you made a mistake, it happens to all of us. If the three of you would just come out and admit that senior tomato is in fact an orange. Thanks guys

Anonymous

Instantly upgraded to 10$ but only because I have been nothing but satisfied with my 5$ contribution. The only concern I have is that the 10$ tier will not be worth the extra 5$. I know it's just BTS but it can still be good stuff. If it's not I can always reduce my contribution however I hope that all this controversy has not scared you guys off making certain ideas you may have had for 10$ patrons. Maybe make certain more polished content for 10$ that the 5$ patrons might enjoy available after a certain amount of time so as not to make 5$ patrons left out if you guys happen to release something interesting. Just a suggestion.

Anonymous

well how much do you like these guys show, and would you give more so they can continue comfortably , i will eventually

Jimmyslimd1ck

I find nothing wrong with the $10 tier being for BTS. And not the main content. Its more for ppl that like the BTS stuff. Which is what I like so I'm excited to see what it brings.

Anonymous

Dissapointing

Anonymous

I wish it didn't require such a long comment, but every sentence of this describes my thoughts perfectly as well.

Anonymous

You're a class act, Paul.

Anonymous

If you feel "excluded" because of a patreon tier I suggest seeking out professional help, or maybe just getting into a fight because your a real pussy.

Anonymous

Well written post, but let's be honest - This is your income and you want to see what you can get. Okay, fine. I can't really hate you for that. I think it's just important to achknowlege that, however much more you might make, it comes with the cost of some of us feeling real bummed about it. After all these years, I'm not afraid to declare myself one of your biggest fans, and my broke ass liked the feeling of getting every last drop of content, especially the live stuff. I also think that those who have more to give would already do so through one of the other methods.

Anonymous

This is the "vitriol" Paul was talking about. If you don't have an argument, what are you doing?

Anonymous

Hey the tier seems fine to me. Five bucks for all the regular stuff, ten bucks for some behind the scenes goodies. I mean, honestly, even if I were to interpret this as exclusionary, there's already so much content coming from you guys that even being "excluded" still entitles me to a shitload of stuff.

Anonymous

I’m a poor man, who is a fan of DFF. Personally, I do feel left out from the content that I was promised I would get as a 2 month old $5 Patreon. But now is not the case. I’ll continue to support you guys, with little money that I have. But if I get one whiff that that my content I paid for is affected, I will have leave. Good bye more content I can’t afford. Much love to all you guys do and keeping us all entertained

Canadian Attack Moose

Don’t fret guys. In the end any content you guys produce is appreciated and we’re all happy to have you lot around. There may be some grumbling or some frustration but I think clearer heads will prevail.

Anonymous

Tbf it comes off to me more like a 'hey if you wanna support us more, here's some fluff to push you enough to pull the trigger' rather than something they think is just as valuable as 12 hours minimum of exclusive DFF content a month.

Anonymous

Thanks for taking the time to address patron's concerns over this. I really want to see this podcast succeed in ways that (OTHER PODCAST) would never have been able to, and I'd reiterate my point I made in other posts about complicating what was advertised as a "simple patreon", but you guys clearly already read that shit, which as a certain oran-, I mean, tomato would say: "REFRESHING!"

Anonymous

Is any content that was previously a 5$ perk being moved to 10$ or is it just new stuff in the 10$ teir?

Anonymous

Honestly i think the $10 tier is perfect, although i have used streamlabs and superchats before i rarely do that because on my phone i have to leave the show and normally i have no way of knowing if it even went through, and because more and more of the people i used to watch on youtube seem to be disappearing i think its important to support the content you want to continue to see. People always say to vote with your wallet when it comes to not buying something out of protest of that thing but i think its also important to remember that you can vote with your wallet by buying things you do want as well and for me i think $10 is a fair amount to pay for the entertainment i receive.

Bigness

You guys work hard to get us great content. It's all good.

Anonymous

These people whining about the new reward tier with absolutely inane reasons are the most assasnine, idiotic scumfucks I've ever witnessed. 'True fans' indeed. Because of the new rewards and to spite these bumbling fags I'm upping my pledge to the $10. Fight me motherfuckers

Anonymous

I'm ok with it either way. Although, I do see the appeal of only having one $5 tier it's more enticing to know that you'll receive everything you all have to offer for one low price. Again, don't care either way. Keep up the great work you guys and thanks for listening and tolerating the tism.

Anonymous

People complain about everything, it's pathetic.

Anonymous

Paul is more composed with these goons, if it were TJ he would tell all these whiners to fuck off and not hit their ass on the way out

DFFPodcast

The $5 tier wasn't touched and won't be. If anything, there are plans to ADD to it as time goes on. The $5 tier is a pretty ridiculous deal, and we aim to keep it that way.

Anonymous

I don't mind this new patreon tier at all, but hey guys, there's something you should do so that the 5 dollar tier doesn't feel devaluated.

Anonymous

And that something is... don't upload the patreon shows to youtube wholecloth instead of an actual preview like you (I hope) intended. Whoever goofed up... you had one job! ONE JOB!

Anonymous

I haven’t decided yet, but I frankly like the idea of giving a little extra each month if I choose to my fav show. Tomatinos are all under the one same everlasting glow of Tomat regardless of tieros!

Anonymous

I only mind because now I feel obligated to give more. I can't stand the thought of missing out on any content that includes TJ and that's my fault honestly.

Anonymous

I think the initial reaction is negative not because people don't think you are worth it, as much as it seems like everything is becoming more expensive and everyone wants more money. Now you guys aren't actually raising the price of what we are already getting, but in a world where most people are under paid and over worked at jobs they hate, having even a suggestion of a price increase - just the spark of the thought- does bring about feelings of frustration, so I hope you guys don't feel too discouraged by the backlash. I guess my worry is there will be less of the free content I enjoy like the live streams you guys often do. Honestly, how could you deliver more than what you already do? Discord doesn't appeal to me, I will most likely never be awake for after show live streams - but I am still thinking about upgrading. My biggest question about the upgrade is - will there be cooking videos? <3

Edvard Lundgren

I dont think any reasonable person is annoyed at the fact that they can choose to pay more to recieve additional content. I think the reasonable people are worried that content will be moved from the $5 tier to the $10 tier. Not now, not next month, but maybe a half year or year down the line.

Anonymous

I upgraded to the $10 tier as soon as I saw the new tier on here. You already get really good value for money with the $5 tier and for an extra $5 you can get more content. I do have one concern though. While I support the adding of this tier because it just adds extra on top of what you are getting already. I don't want to see this patreon end up like the DP patreon with 30 different tiers. I like the simplicity of this patreon and that you don't have to look through 30 tiers to find the rewards you want. Anyway thanks for all the content and praise be to Señor Tomat.

Anonymous

I'm not here to complain about the new tier. If you want to fuck up your own marketing of 5 buck simplicity, have at it. I can pull out at any time I want, as I have done for DP. I just wanted to call bullshit on a claim you handwaved away: "First of all, I noticed a sentiment floating around that somehow $10 patrons' opinions will be "worth more to us" in some way. Let me just squash that right now. You are ALL our Patrons, no matter your contribution." Easy to say in a damage control post, but fact's a fact, the following still exists: "A special Role on the official DFF Discord, for starters. That Role will give you access to Live chats with the guys! After each Wednesday Episode of FLASH FRIED, TJ, Scotty and Paul will chill with all of you, answer your burning questions, take your feedback and show suggestions" Wow, they not only get to chat with the guys off the air but give their feedback and suggestions without the pesky 5 buck people around? If you want to squash this sentiment, reassess this perk. Otherwise this sentiment isn't going away no matter how much you claim all patron opinions are equal.

Anonymous

I mean. I think a lot of the backlash is just because of how heavily you guys jerked yourselves off about having only one perk. "It's a simple monetization plan you guys! We've got one perk! Just one perk! None of the ads, or other crazy bullshit from our last show." I don't know, I'm paraphrasing. Haha. It's just a little like, oh fuck. They leaned so heavily on the simplicity of it and now they're adding complexity. Those were my thoughts. But that's not something to get angry over. It's your show. You can do whatever you want. A big factor was that you guys didn't like how much bullshit and time wasting there was shilling stuff on DP. If you can do a DFF without sucking off your reviews and vlogs for twenty minutes, then you aren't hypocrites. And even if you are, nobody cares about it. Like, whatevs. I don't mind some shilling for other perks. I'm surprised you didn't make multiple perks sooner. There's a whole untapped market of people who want to give you guys more money. The five dollar only perk thing was a good hook, it got us all in the door. But now you've got a catalogue of great content that we're all enjoying. Now you can really milk us! I think if people are whining about not having equal treatment from you, then they're just kind of falsely entitled. I mean, this is your show. Are you really going to change something because enough people paying you money are telling you to? You guys are experienced. You know what works and what doesn't. We aren't paying for influence here, we're paying for a quality show from people who know what they're doing and don't need their hands held. Our voices should be heard, and considered, but not taken seriously because we gave any amount of money, whether it's ten or five. And that seems to be a precedent you've set. I don't know why some fans would think that their inane bullshit could affect the show in any way. I hope it doesn't. If the quality of your show deteriorates, I'll tell you, but don't go taking ideas from me because I pay you. If I knew what the hell I was doing, I'd have my own show with 3,000 people giving me 5 dollars a month.

DFFPodcast

I was going to respond to this, but saw you're only a $5 patron. Consider upgrading if you want a real answer. /s

Anonymous

Paul is being reasonable about it because he understands that some of the patrons are skeptical about the changes, not everyone will pony up any amount of money to a show like you.

DFFPodcast

The buffet and the content in it are going NOWHERE. As I've said in other replies, we have plans to ADD things to the buffet, not subtract them.

Anonymous

I think the $10 tier is fair, nothing has been stripped from the $5 tier, it's just disappointing to see that the $5 only tier idea has been ditched. If the change wasn't fair I wouldn't be a patron, and I still think that the perks of the $5 tier are worth it because your show is entertaining to watch and it's worth every penny, but I like many others fear that this will not be the only change, or that the lower tier will begin to become the shit tier and have it's perks stripped, or that some exclusive DFF shows will go to the patrons in higher tiers which defeats the purpose of the "full access to shows" motto that the $5 tier started out with. Again I will always be a patron until a change like this comes around because it's worth it, but I really hope that I'm proven wrong about this prediction.

Anonymous

This is reasonable. When the 10$ tier was announced, I was a bit skeptical, specifically I was worried there would be more DFF content locked behind it which I really couldn't afford. But then I looked at what the rewards were and shrugged and said to myself "Ah, that's all chill. Just extras for people who want them, no biggie." So I'm cool, and I would hope the other fans are too. No reason to get worked up over this.

Anonymous

When I first signed up to be a patron I wanted to give 10 bucks per month so whatever also since I work a lot I cant be there for the live shows so I like being able to discuss with you guys on a discord chat makes me feel more in the know

DFFPodcast

The buffet is the lifeblood of this show. The content that is there will always be there. If anything, more will be added.

Anonymous

Not a criticism, just wanted to say that I enjoy the content you guys put out and I'm happy to see some cool extra features, for people that want to support DFF.

Anonymous

I don't mind this as long as none of the $5 tier content isn't moved to $10.

Anonymous

You call people fags and you want to fight hahahahaha big words for a longhaired pussy ass bitch like yourself. How about you settle down

BangoMike

I'm glad you wrote this clarification. I found the first announcement was very poorly written and not clear at all. It wasn't clear that for example "food and movie reviews" were just "behind-the-scenes" shit and weren't whole new shows. This is much more clear now.

Anonymous

As long as I'm getting my buffet with all the same goodies, I'm good. I'll probably be moving to the $10 tier anyway at some point. I'm cancelling my Netflix soon (it's $14 at this point) because I BARELY watch it. I'd prefer to watch you guys instead.

Anonymous

i think it's quite interesting that you're showing off more of your daily lives for an extra 5$, can't wait to see if it's worth it.

Anonymous

Fine with announcements as long as it doesn't turn into drunken peasants patreon bs

Anonymous

So now you cost damn near as much or as much as you tube red, Netflix, Hulu, Amazon. I like you guys but I think at this point it’s just greedy. An extra $5 to listen to Scotty say dude and bash TJ is not worth it. (In my opinion of course)

Anonymous

I don't have anything to say that hasn't already been said. I would just like to be blessed by Reverend Paul the Ball of the Church of Tomate.

Anonymous

Not salty enough

Dimanor3

Nothing important, just wantin ta say sumfin, hi Paul, and TJ assuming Paul got too lazy to continue and handed the torch over to TJ.

Anonymous

You guys do whatever the hell you want as long as the content is worth it. I would be proud to upgrade my pledge and to join the new aristocracy. All those complaining just need to stop being a bunch of whinny bitches and learn the rules of acquisition.

Anonymous

The perk would be interesting to me if it had something music review related. Something where you guys sit down after listening to an album and talk about the ups and the downs

Anonymous

Just don't spread yourselves too thin guys. It will be really sad to see your regular content suffer because you created too many weird perks. Remember monetizing your life takes a lot out of you.

Anthony Harmon

Honestly not interested in the behind the scenes content but for those complaining I would say that you’re getting the same deal you’ve always gotten and just an additional offer, so whining is pretty much pointless. To the DFF crew, I’d simply say don’t overwork yourselves

Anonymous

I hunger.

Anonymous

I think people are a little upset including myself a little for one simple reason. Before, my $5 got me everything, all of your content and it was great. Now, my $5 get's me like 80% of your content or whatever the percentage is so it just doesn't feel as rewarding I guess. I'm still going to stay $5 because I like the content but I don't get why you threw a curve ball in your monetization plan when it seemed to be working extremely well, you guys were making bank(and still are I suppose), don't get too greedy and don't fix what isn't broken.

Anonymous

We get great content in the 5$ band, the 10$ band offered truly optional extras, not needed to enjoy the 5$ content. Everyone wins as far as i see it, those who want those little extras can get it, and DFF gets a bit more $$$$.

Anonymous

You're not losing access to 20% of the content you had access to before. They are producing more content for this. If you want the extra content, pay up, if you are happy with the amount of content you get now that is not going to change. Honestly they post so much I can't keep up with it.

Anonymous

Love the content Mr. The Ball. Not at all put off by the chef's table.

Anonymous

I think it’s great to have the option of some extras if you’re a really huge fan of the show, but it’s also quite nice to just have the buffet and chill out with some good content, keep doing what you do guys! Long time fan from Norway

Anonymous

I would love to see more Cinema For Cynics where Paul and Chauncey just give a short review of a movie. I'm very happy with what I got ,but I just love those and wondering if you are going to do those again? PS..I love the DS9 series. Thankya

Anonymous

Chow down mother fuckers

Anonymous

I really respect Paul for taking the time to address and be (imo overly) gracious to field the opinions of what I consider to be dumb stances some are taking. I really hope they open the next show with the video proof from their early DFF episode that says their tier system was subject to change. As if they should be threatened by a mass exodus with something that is both optional, and is their right anyway... Entitled generation lol

Anonymous

Please don't turn the show into another DrunkenPeasants monetized labyrinth. The reason this show is so awesome is because it's simple and cuts out all the bullshit. I fear that adding more tiers is going to lead to it becoming too complicated to keep up with, again.

Anonymous

I'm totally fine with the $10 tier. I don't see the issue.