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Charmed Reboot S01E01 - Pilot FULL REACTION (Patreon)

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HuntingSwan

It was fucking terrible, let's be real. The SJW rape culture man hating theme was so offensive to me. The original Charmed was feminist yeah, but it respected men and didn't trash them to shit. Plus the acting was like 10000 times better and the leads actually had charisma and were likeable. I liked Charmed back in the day, it was comfort TV. This wasn't comforting, it grated.

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>>16323893

There were some issues I had with it that as I was editing didn't occur to me. Things such as like - all the males are untrustworthy? Why must people push their political views down others throats. Why were they going on and on about consent... like basic things people should already know and not have to be plastered over walls.

Paul Gibson

OK I will give this one a miss then after reading that

homoerotic 80s volleyball scene personified

I respect your opinion, but I disagree when it comes to the feminism. I don’t think it was heavy handed at all. Consent is important to talk about because if we don’t educate ourselves then people will never be rightfully punished for committing rape, it’s always about the man’s future not the woman’s already ruined life, so I think it was great that they talked about it, and the sad truth is that we have to go on and on about consent because men and women who rape don’t seem to understand it even though it is so simple. It was also nice to see that Mel protested against a sexual predator (and of course vanquished him) and then at the end when they called out that one guy, doing the exact same thing to him as he had done to women previously (such as Mel early in the ep), that was awesome to watch. I honestly think this is the type of show we need right now because no other show dares talk about feminism the way this show is doing it so far.

HuntingSwan
>>16326436

I think you're missing the context of the episode. Mel protested against an ALLEGED sexual predator, plastering posters all over campus, essentially slandering him. He was acquitted by a court because the accuser was unable to testify. Rape trials often do come down to 'victim' testimony as the main source of evidence. And we MUST have evidence. We cannot just blindly and by default believe every rape accusation by every woman. I thought it was disgusting that the male character who said it was a 'he said, she said' was made out to be such a bad person. 'He said, she said' is not a good way to convict someone and if you found yourself falsely accused of something you'd be so thankful that courts have a higher standard than that.

homoerotic 80s volleyball scene personified
>>16326436

He very much sexually harassed Maisie at the start of the episode, so calling him an "alleged" sexual predator is really only wishful thinking. The reason the guy who said it was a 'he said she said' thing was made out to be a bad person is because he's saying that what a man says is more credible than what a woman says, and that is obviously highly problematic.

HuntingSwan
>>16326436

Yes, it happened on this occasion that the accusation was true and correct. That doesn't excuse the disregard shown by Mel for the due process of law and the 'innocent until proven guilty' mandate. I won't argue the exact definition of sexual harassment in this comment section as I don't see it going anywhere. However I don't think saying 'nice blouse' confirms someone as a sexual predator. Was it creepy and awkward? Yes. If it continued then Maisie would be well within her rights to have a conversation and ask him to stop. But it was an isolated comment. I'm shocked that you're trying to assert that the male student said a 'man is more credible than a woman'. I watched it back just now, he said nothing of the sort! He said that the professor had a trial was acquitted and that the sole evidence of the accusation was a 'he said, she said'. He argued his point in a free exchange of ideas and what did he get? A punch in the face! That's the person you're celebrating? Someone who when confronted with a counter opinion she can't accept resorts to violence? His last line to her was uncalled for, I'll concede, but she still had NO RIGHT to physically assault him. Especially when she's running all over the place complaining about someone she thinks broke the law and assaulted someone. I mean the hypocrisy is galling.

homoerotic 80s volleyball scene personified
>>16326436

I don't think you understand what I meant, he insinuated that what a man says is more credibly, he didn't actually say it. And I never said punching him was okay, I didn't mind it, but that's only because it's a show, but I understand why she did it though, that comment he made about her mother dying was disgusting, but yes, that does not make what she did okay, in any way, shape, or form.

Signe (Seena) Stewart

My favourite part of this episode was Robert Pine. Aka dad of Chris Pine/capt. Kirk. As the professor... I was really not impressed. Like you, OG Charmed holds a special place in my heart. I was 13 when it first aired and have a vivid memory of being on summer holiday and freaking out because i didn't know how to watch the 4th episode of charmed while we were gone. No such thing as setting up a vcr days in advance. Turned out they had a tv room and i shot evil eyes at anyone eyeing the remote 😂 I lost touch with it when I started college in 2003, but those early seasons are sacred to me And this just fell flat for me... I'll give it a few more episodes, then decide if I'm done. Orbing is essential! How can there be a whitelighter without the bluish-white light?! 🤔 And i agree. I need the whoosh of the freeze.

Signe (Seena) Stewart

Oh yeah, and they did force feed the whole feminist angle A. Lot. Too much. The original was about female empowerment and never had to be so explicit about it... Oh, and copper ex is no Andy! No way! She's just so... bland...

Kirsty-Louise Leslie

I usually watch your SPN reactions but haven't commented yet. I just had to with this though as how you describe Charmed is exactly how it is with me too, I was 8 when I started watching it and though now I completely see its flaws, it also holds a special place in my heart and will probably remain a favourite of mine despite said flaws. Not sure if you know since you aren't caught up with SPN but the CW turned down a SPN spin off in favour of the Charmed reboot which also probably adds to my bitterness. Yeah, it may be called Charmed but it is no Charmed. I thought it was pretty bad.

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>>16329066

I completely understand, I think a Supernatural spinoff would have been great - idk what it would be about but i can imagine if the writers were the same it'd be better than this

Tammy L. Faulkner

I've been watching Charmed since 1998, it won me over just after my mom passed away... Its still my #1 show to this day and nothing can replace it... and as a fan I believe its real dumb how ppl wanna find one thing wrong with THIS episode and judge the entire show over it. I watched it and liked it. I will be watching the next episode and perhaps the ones after that. Not every episode is going to be wrapped around the same subject. I even have my favorite sister... She may not be Piper, but she's got my attention.

CaptainNice

"feminist angle"? is that the right term? Whatever it is... CW is clearly showing its political leanings/agenda. Arrowverse is a softer version. I think Disney is heading in the same general direction (but with more skill). Sigh...

KiwiJello

I won't say it was great, but first episodes often aren't. I think this has potential if it stops leaning on politics and finds it's footing in the characters themselves. All the girls are likeable. I also liked the fact that the White Lighter was older and there doesn't seem to be leading to one of the girls getting with him. I think that was done and they need to take this in new directions. They can have strong females without weakening men. In fact, making the men strong only makes the women look stronger because ultimately, the women are going to kick our collective asses. I am going to give this a go. It's not the old Charmed, and I am good with that. I am looking at this like it's own thing. A new show that just seems a little familiar (and no, I don't mean the cat) ;)

Kirsty-Louise Leslie
>>16329066

I'm going to give it a try and watching along with you knowing how you feel about the original Charmed will definitely help. They have attempted two spin offs now and both haven't worked out. I can't say much more than that because of spoilers but I will be interested in your thoughts for sure when you see future episodes.

CaptainNice

OK. Here’s my Controversial opinion. “Limited Hangout” is the political term. The Charmed reboot is an example of the mindset that Rose McGowan has been complaining about. The people getting media time hating on men don’t want to hear from Rose. An investigation of her allegations would lead to some very powerful media people going to jail for a very long time. I think the bad guys will loss in the long run.

NewStealth
>>16323893

I liked the episode, but I only liked it because it was intriguing me that it's a Charmed reboot and I was also comparing it in my mind to the original. In all honesty the "feminism" of it made me feel uncomfortable. I remember the original show's feminism, I enjoyed that, and I enjoy the feminism in Buffy, and I think I can pin-point what the difference is. In the original Charmed (and in Buffy) there are some sleaze-bags who'd make comments, the main characters would then react and just call out those particular sleaze-bags on what they said, or call them what they were, but in this episode one of the main characters was not reacting with accusations but initiating them. And the whole them shooting down the "he said she said" thing bothered me, because it's true, it is word against word in many situations where there's no evidence, and if you automatically believe a girl who accuses a guy of sexual assault, just cause she's a girl and said she was assaulted, that's incredibly wrong! Please correct me anyone if I'm missing anything.

NewStealth
>>16323893

If a girl (or anyone) says they were sexually assaulted by someone, it should be an automatic straight-to-counselling card, they should always be believed that something happened that affected them. But it should not be an automatic sentence for the accused!!! Unless there's actually sufficient evidence. People out there do go around falsely accusing.

Nancy Nicolai

I have to say I didn't want to like this reboot but I did and it made recall the original first episode of Charmed and as I recall that wasn't all that woke or awesome either actually it was a little like this one only a little more lite in my opinion but as time and seasons passed that Charmed got better so may this one!?🙆🔮👢🌿🔬❤

NewStealth
>>16323893

However for me it's also not a deal-breaker just yet, and I want to give more episodes a try. It might just be this episode that was heavy on that. It was mostly the one main character who was pushing that theme, not so much the others, and also the episode did highlight that she in particular is suffering from anger issues. So I guess let's see ey :P

Lostmyshoe22

I loved Charmed. I watched it when it first aired and rewatched many, many times. It does have a lot of flaws but I am defintely happy to overlook them as I love the show. I love that Misha Collins was in an episode although even though it was fairly cringe-worthy. I was in agreement with everything you said about the reboot. It had a lot of positives and negatives. I do want to give it a fair shake and hope that it improves so I am glad you are giving it a full season. I am excited to watch it with you.

NewStealth
>>16326436

I don't think he insinuated that at all in my opinion. When he said "it's a 'he said she said' situation" I literally just took it as being word against word, both voices being equal, both also contradicting, and therefore a conclusion being unable to be reached. I've heard "he said he said" and "she said she said" and "she said he said" before and that's what they also mean. If you think by that that he was meaning the female word is less than the male word then, I'm sorry but I don't know where you got that from. I do understand your point that he made a comment earlier in the episode - "nice blouse" - which made him come across as a bit, low-key predatory, and therefore that perhaps adds incriminating context to what he says later in the episode. But I also don't think it changes the meaning of the argument he puts forward later in the episode, he still meant it was word against word - which it was and is in many cases. If someone says they were sexually assaulted by someone else, the person should automatically be believed that something had some kind of an impact on them and they should receive help and support, but that shouldn't automatically mean the accused is sentenced, judged, believed to be a predator. I don't actually agree that these kinds of things can be simple. Some situations are indeed really messy. In the UK there was recently an incident (an accusation of assault - not of the sexual kind though), on reality TV, where there was an accusation made by a professional actress who's previously suffered from mental health battles, however the cameras were rolling and caught the 'incident' (which was absolutely nothing), and if you only had the actress' break-down performance of what had supposedly taken place, you would think he'd seriously punched and assaulted her to intimidate and inflict pain on her. And, long-story-short, if it hadn't been captured, the guy's life and career would have been completely destroyed, he was already in fact emotionally destroyed by the experience because he had no idea that the nation was on his side and saw what happened, he cried his eyes out on TV trying to defend himself (when he didn't need to, because everyone saw what happened), and because it was captured on cameras, the woman's life was destroyed instead because the whole nation saw what she tried and almost succeeded in doing. So yeh... this stuff isn't always simple or straight-forward. There are people with mental illnesses out there, also people who would just like to falsely accuse others who they have a vendetta against. If there's not sufficient evidence then nothing should happen to the accused.

Nichole Hutchison
>>16326436

Yeah people outside of the UK should hear about what Roxanne Pallett tried to do, maybe then people won’t be so quick to say all women should be believed.

raymond julien

'Show, don't tell', is the best technique for story telling (and educating people). This was a little 'Telly', whereas the original was more 'Showy', and fun to boot.

Paul Gibson
>>16326436

He said, she said is an expression for hearsay not in anyway implying a man's opinion is more important.

Michael Miller

I will give it a chance, but I was not real impressed with the pilot. I thought the acting was wooden and the story and dialogue felt forced. i am not opposed to politics in my shows and i am very liberal but this was very heavy handed.

Ron Fehr

I feel like I'm missing parts of the story, but that's probably because I never watched much of the original series. Not enough to understand everything anyway. I may have to start watching both.