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Doctor Who S01E08 - Father's Day FULL REACTION (Patreon)

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Just James

Rose calls her dad a "regular Del Boy", a reference to the main character of the excellent and popular British sitcom Only Fools and Horses. Simon Pegg was originally cast as Pete Tyler but because of scheduling conflicts, he chose the role of the Editor in The Long Game. Russell T Davies' original idea for this episode was very different and would have involved Rose repeatedly observing her Fathers death in 1987 while the Doctor, in 2005, heard the chronicle of the Pete’s life from Jackie. Afraid that viewers would become numb to watching the father die again and again, Paul Cornell persuaded RTD that they should invert the plot by having Rose save her dad, creating a crisis in time. But wait… there’s more! In the original script, Pete died in 1987 after being struck by a lorry in the process of saving a five-year-old Rose when she stepped off the pavement. The adult Rose saved her younger self and when she did she triggered the Blin-o-vitch Limitation Effect, basically crossing your own timeline and making physical contact. Still in the original script The Doctor, Rose and Pete retreated to a nearby pub, where time was splintering. The building started to display architectures of different eras, while people from throughout history appeared. Warriors from the army of Boadicea (bow-duh-see-uh) attacked, while the Reavers started eliminating the patrons. When the Reavers created a duplicate of Pete, the Doctor lured it in front of the lorry, restoring the timeline. But although the real Pete survived, Rose discovered that, in this revised history, he had divorced her mother when she was a teenager, and was no longer a heroic figure in her childhood. In a later draft, Rose's presence at Pete's traffic accident was dropped and Boadicea's warriors were replaced with Neanderthals. Aaaaand finally In the original edit Pete was to going to take a swig of wine before sacrificing himself, but this was removed because the correlation between alcohol and bravery was not thought to be a positive message, a little clever editing later and Pete Tyler dies a hero. Love this episode because I remember talking about it at work the next day it had elements of Back to the Future (which I adore) but a British version. Shan and Tony if you went back in time and found yourself meeting your teenage parents both Mother and Father, would you get along?

Tony
>>142598073

Oddly enough, I found an old picture of my dad at some point a while back after he had passed away. If I'd slick my hair back and instead of having a full beard I'd only have a bit of a mustache going on. There's ZERO. way you'd be able to tell if it was me or him. We'd look IDENTICAL. So if I'd go back in time, I think the interaction between me and him would be weird but I suppose it'd really help convince him I'm related. After that I think things would be cool. And it'd be nice to be able to talk to him again. As for my mum, even though I miss her too since she's also passed away. Given I look identical to my dad. If I'd find myself in the past, I'd avoid that interaction at ALL. cost. There's NO. way I'm ending up in a Marty McFly situation. HARD. PASS.

Kazz (Charmed4lifekaren)

For personal reasons i always find this episode so hard to watch, I imagine being in Rose's shoes and know that if i could i would save my Dad. How hard i find it to watch is apart of what makes this episode so well done, and while despite everything I do like it.

jimmy2k4o .

Yet in world war 3 when the doctor threateneds the aliens with whiskey. And the aliens call his bluff that he won’t ignite it killing himself and rose. In a moment of comical fear the doctor passes the whiskey to Harriet jones, for her to correct him that you pass to the left first, I.e rose. And the doctor duly obliges. Also We’ve seen the doctor drink on occasion too. Not for courage or solace but just because he does.

Stargazer1682

I really enjoy this episode, especially the ending. There's good pathos in the way that,Jackie and Pete know who Rose is, Pete knows what he's doing and gets to say goodbye to Rose; and Rose gets to make ever so slight change to history by being there for her dad. It's also interesting that it's no longer a hit and run. I imagine in the original history that might have weighed on the driver, and now there's resolution and who knows what sort of life he went on to have as a result. The Doctor mentioned that, had the Tardis fully materialized and he could patch up the so-called wound, everyone would forget what happened and time would continue on as normal, with Pete still alive. I think the effect is still the same, even if they achieved it differently. Pete's death closed the wound in time, and the attack at the Church never happened. It was a moment taken out of time, the walls of history were breaking down; hence the issue with the phones and the radio and the car that was meant to hit Pete on a one-block loop, disappearing at one end and reappearing at the other. Pete ran out and died, which stitched it back together. The people never went missing (as proof of the Doctor's return) and the stuff inside the church never technically happened. That Pete came from the Church to run into the street may be remembered, but they probably don't remember him showing up at the church, because all of that happened in the moment that never happened.

Brandon Wiesner

I agree this is probably the best episode so far but like you, I am not a Whovian. I'm sure a lot of the hardcore fans are into the lore and Easter eggs in the previous episodes. This one though has more of a universal appeal, because it's more relatable. Losing a loved one and wanting to go back in time to change it, probably everyone that has been through that has that wish. The Doctor was being hard on Rose because he had to teach her not to mess with time for personal gain. He was right. She finally saw the error of her ways. That's 2 different shows in the same week that dealt with the death of a main character's dad and they were both really emotional.

Charlie Matthews

This is also one of my favourite episodes from this season, because it deals with a more personal story for Rose and shows a interesting creature, a dragon/gargolye hybrid with a mouth where the stomach is. I thought that one of them getting the Doctor was scary when I saw this a kid, but now I see that it actually makes the story work better for 2 reasons. One: It shows that not even he is powerful to stop the Reapers. Two: It confirms that the only way to save the day is for Pete to die. Poor guy.

jimmy2k4o .

My understanding is rose and the doctor remember everything because as time travellers their perception of linear time is off. They remember things changing and changing back. So from the doctor and rose’s pov the church and reveres all happened. Pete not getting hit by the car, created a branched time line that was turned into a quarantine lock by the revers to protect the rest of time. For the other People there their memories jumped from Pete being saved to Pete’s death. Since Pete’s death is the only thing that broke the quarantine. And allowed time to process nobody remembers it apart from doctor, rose, Jackie (from a distance) and some post hypnotic suggestion she planted in Micky.

James

Yes, this is my favorite episode so far too. If more episodes are like this, it will really turn me around. The only episodes I liked were the pilot, the Daleks, and this episode. Other than the farting aliens, the rest of the episodes were just meh to decent. I really love when time travel stories pull at the heartstrings. Wishing to bring back someone you loved is always interesting. It might be a very common storyline, but it works every time. The cheesiness, from what I gathered, is ingrained in the franchise. It just wouldn’t be Doctor Who without the weird, silly, and wacky stuff that happens. That’s just what I’ve seen online. I know less than you about the show, so I don’t know if this is a common opinion.

Retro Tom

when I 1st watched this episode I thought it was dull & boring. When rewatching it later I came to really appreciate the emotion in it. I think maybe the first time I focused too hard on the dragon things & overlooked the actors giving a good performance

Jeremy Burch

I've liked episodes before, the Dalek episode and the Charles Dickens episode, but those episodes weren't good enough that I really thought I would definitely continue on to another season. For me with this show, I really didn't think I would like it, honestly, for petty reasons that had nothing to do with the show really, I kind of hated Doctor Who. I live in Canada and I was watching season 2 of Roswell, I couldn't watch it on WB, so I watched it on a Canadian channel, called Space at the time, but during season 2, new episodes of Roswell would be randomly replaced by Doctor Who reruns of the original series, I ended up missing like half of season 2 of Roswell and kind of ended up hating Doctor Who. I found a video store that rented out series as well as movies and saw a show called Primeval was there, I love dinosaurs so I wanted to rent the series, but someone bought it first, so I chose a different series first, Hustle, which I loved, than Robin Hood, amongst other shows and I started to like British Television quite a bit. When Primeval came back in I wanted to rent it, but found out it was only the second half of the season, so I randomly decided to rent Doctor Who instead, I thought I would hate it, but I didn't have much else I felt like watching as I waited for Primeval to get back. I found Doctor Who to be less terrible than I thought it would be, other than the farting Slitheen episodes, but this episode was the first one, where I thought the acting and emotion, the story(other than the dragon looking things) was great and I actually started thinking maybe I could really like this show, if they did more episodes like this.

SWTobito

Y'know, for all the big space-time weirdness, this' the stuff that DW always gets me with. These very personal stories, which end up often being very emotional, are DW at its best. Even with the occasional wonky alien design. Like, I love the Daleks, and episode 6 was a brilliant introduction to them, but if I were given a choice between that episode and this one, I'd probably choose this one, just because of the emotional impact it has.

jimmy2k4o .
>>142616746

Done. My apologies. Didn’t think it was a plot revelation just an in world explanation of how these global alien attacks just get ignored. Some forget Some deny Some simply slept through it lol

catwhowalksbyhimself

I have read that the monsters are officially called the Reapers and were inspired by the Grimm Reaper. They are supposed to vaguely resemble the image of the Grimm Reaper, with their claws and tails resembling scythes, and their bodies resembling black robes, but still looking like a creature and not a person. Originally they were supposed to look more like your classic Grimm Reaper, but they looked too similar to the Repeating Memes from "The End of the World" so they were redesigned to look more like creatures. There's also an error in the phone message they keep hearing. Bell's real words were "Watson come here, I want you" and that was what the script and the first version of the audio had. The original actor was using a fake Scottish accent, and they re-recorded it with a real Scottish actor. Somehow it got changed to "Watson come here, I need you."