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The Flash 4x10 POLL! (Patreon)

Published:
2018-01-18 17:53:10
Imported:
2021-01

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What do you think will ultimately cause The Thinkers downfall?

Comments

Anonymous

His over confidence will be his downfall like every other villain.

Anonymous

He is too cocky and his wife will help team flash

Rubi Moon

I think Clifford will eventually go too far for his wife to handle which will cause her to double cross him and end in his defeat.

Anonymous

Now that they've saved his deteriorating body I think Marlize will slowly come to realize that her husband has become twisted and will cause his downfall.

Anonymous

I believe Marlize will not be able to see pass his ability to jump into other bodies. If he does it again or even if he stays in the same body he has now, her having to constantly be in love with the physical appearance of other men might take a toll on her. She might start to question how far they're going and with him having the ability to read minds, it will create discord. He might decide to push her away and pursue the goal with or without her, yata yata yata, she'll aid Team Flash in bringing him down.

Anonymous

I think that devoe will win. It would be a change of pace that is unexpected and it would be a good way to make characters grow

Anonymous

I just want to know if I can still write his name in my deathnote or what? Ryuk probably wouldn't know...

Anonymous

"This is where we built the cerebral inhibitor to use against DeVoe." Savitar's words.

Anonymous

Marlize is definitely NOT sipping that enlightenment Kool~Aid. She will help with cerebral inhibitor mentioned by Barry~tar in season 3 finale.

Anonymous

maybe devoe will end up gaining too much power from potentially switching bodies again for another power and marlize will lose faith in him since he will have another new face

Anonymous

I think in the end barry and harry will be the one to out think the thinker by the way the actor who is playing the new devoe did amazing

Skeletor

Im ready for this season to be over really. I know people like the new different type of Villain deal but this season just doesnt have what first two season did that i loved about the series. Flash has become Boring

Anonymous

I assume it'll be Marlize because this season is about love and marriage

Gezno

Gotta quote Sherlock on this one. "Love is a chemical defect found on the losing side." The Thinker has probably knows there's a chance she'll betray him, but he wants to bury that thought as deep as he can. He'll probably end up in denial until the very end, when it'll be too late.

Anonymous

As much as I truly believe in Marlize and Devoe's love for each other, I don't think they have a healthy relationship. They are obviously not equal partners. She just follows him and trusts his motives. I think she will eventually realize that his motives aren't as noble as she thinks and that it's more about satisfying his vanity than anything else.

Anonymous

In this episode, despite what Marlize said, we see some signs that she's not 100% onboard with the plan, and the new body thing. My bet is that she WON'T do something that would be critical for their plan and that gives the leverage Team Flash needs, to win.

Christophe Kanaa

There's a theme all this season about Barry feeling bad for all the lies he does with team flash. It was exposed in episode 4 with Dibny and that story.

Anonymous

Aaron, the criminal standard for conviction is "beyond a reasonable doubt." Pointing out that a competent CSI wouldn't be so stupid about a crime scene could create a reasonable doubt. But then team Barry HAS been demonstrably stupid over the seasons so maybe the jury, like the audience, wouldn't buy it.

Anonymous

I get the feeling his wife will turn on him, you could sort of see she didn’t look fully okay with the switch of bodies and prob with him killing his old body, during the scene in DeVoes lair.

Anonymous

Couldn't Bary just create a time Remnant, who would sit out his sentence in Iron Heights (Or at least until they prove that Barry is Innocent), while the Real Bary would be outside fighting crime as the flash and trying to stop the thinker? I get that Barry doesn't want to run but just sitting in a cell and leaving everything to the Team doesn't really seem heroic.

I Am Groot

Why not all three?

Savitar

Saying could mess up the timeline

Ian Vega

Aaron, with what Eric was saying about how Barry could have brought forth that he's also csi and wouldn't have left the crime scene in such a sloppy manner, he has a very good point. Yes, it wouldn't be fact, but when it comes to the jury, it does present reasonable doubt. If there is the slightest chance presented that the accused didn't commit the crime, they cannot all agree on the defendant being guilty. So, what Eric was saying gas very real merit. You just don't wanna be wrong, as you are countless times XP

Anonymous

First option. It really annoyed me that Iris didn't use her reporter instinct to covertly record her conversation with Marlize. Honestly, it's the oldest trick in the book!

Darth Kal-El (Cory Weston)

I think Marlize could turn. I also could see that maybe Devoe is not actually fully evil and that there is some bigger evil/threat that Devoe sees coming and is trying to stop. And that Barry's new power in this epsiode he will use to help Devoe think by slowing down everything. But I am probably wrong. I also think that the 'This House Is Bitchin' is going to somehow be the way to defeat Devoe or if my prediction is right the bigger threat. Also Eric the prosecutor was on the show Human Target. As Human Target. And the speedforce thing of Barry in Jail Grant said 4 years ago that was not an alternate Earth or timeline. That it was the future.

Christophe Kanaa
>>9559640

No he isn't wrong either, they choose one root, that other one can"t work because the fact are directly contesting that. Aaron s right, using the CSI thing won"t do anything at all. They choose the character, which was better because atleast they have one person who can attest of Barry's character

Christophe Kanaa
>>9559471

No time remnant is a no go, it's what caused Black flash and Savitar. Barry already fucked the timeline so many times he can't do that again, that would cause issue with the speedforce again

Anonymous

The phrase "this house is bitching" will cause the Thinker's downfall

Anonymous

I think Marlize will realize that he is not the DaVoe she fell in love with.

Anonymous

jall 3, the flash will make devoe do something that inturn will make marlize not do something because she relises that devoe is evil

Anonymous

I think maybe Barry's going to realize that he can actually think faster than the thinker (comics he can think in attoseconds) and the show works with that. Also, about Barry sharing his speed with Iris, I thought it was always implied that he could do that. Like I think it was a comic explanation as to the reason why people's bodies don't break when Barry catches them with superspeed.

Bigfoot

I think its dependent on if she can really see past his new appearance and still see her husband. Because it will just constantly cause her pain otherwise which will lead her to making a huge mistake which DeVoe probably wouldn't see coming because she's probably his blind spot

Anonymous

I do not know how they'll do it, or if it's even still valid after they defeated Savitar. But when Savitar was at STAR Labs at the end of last season, he said something about coming up with a cerebral inhibitor to use against Devoe. Marlize might come to her senses and help them create it, or they might come up with it themselves.

Dylan Carpenter

I think there will come a point where Marlize will realize that her husband has gone too far in his desire to do good. She will probably be the one variable that he cannot control.

Anthia Grant

I think Marlize will be The Thinker's downfall. It's really obvious that she's not comfortable with Devoe's plan of switching bodies. Her husband is physically dead. Even though his mind has taken over Dominic's body, the man she's with is not the same man she fell in love with and married. On a side note, Barry pulling Iris into his speed was awesome. My thinking was wouldn't it be epic if they had sex in the middle of the courtroom and no one would know because it would be a second for everyone else but it would be let's say 20 mins for Barry and Iris? Can't that be a thing???

Ryan Witalison

I think Barry has already given them the key to defeating Devoe, Evil Barry gave them a clue last season and Barry's writings and Speed force babble could very well have instructions to beat The Thinker, the team just has to decode it all.

Anonymous

There should be an other option since in the last episode eobard tharwn is gonna run in and phase his hand through the thinkers chest and say something like "we are even now flash" in his cool voice

Anonymous
>>9565440

God damnit Ethan...now I'm gonna be disspointed in anything they do, that is not Thawne sticking his hand through Devoe..that would be really cool..

Anonymous

Hubris, plain and simple.

Able

I’M COMING TO ERICS DEFENCE. Eric was totally right about his argument that Cecile could have done more and the missed arguments she could have made in Barry’s defence. The biggest one is - the timeline of the crime. Barry has an alibi, he was at a Christmas party at Joes house for most of the night. This is easily verified through key witnesses and that they possibly would have taken lots of photos on their phones at the party which are stamped with gps and date/time data. Barry was at his apartment for only a few minutes. Did Devoe show up within that small window of time and get murdered? Possibly. But then how did the police get there so fast? An anonymous tip? How could they have known if it was an impulsive crime of passion that happened then and there? A noise complaint from a neighbour wouldn’t have gotten the police captain to show up. Okay, so maybe Barry faked his alibi and had Devoe captured for a few hours before he killed him: which leads directly into Eric’s argument that as a trained CSI with many years of experience, Barry would have had time and reason to hide the body and clear any evidence. But Barry couldn’t have had Devoe for long because he wasn’t reported missing and by his wife’s own testimony apparently went to Barry’s apartment willingly and alone at a specific time. There is no established timeline for this crime, which leaves enough room for reasonable doubt and lends credence to the possibility that Barry was framed. They don’t have to prove innoncence, just reasonable doubt.

WhateverIFeelLike

Probably a little of each. I think something will happen that causes Devoe to slip up his wife will over correct and team flash will take advantage. Either that or they will come up with the neural inhibitor like Savitar said the would.

Christophe Kanaa
>>9566115

But they would find the irregularity with his deplacement from point A to point B.....So it would reveal his identity as the flash

Christophe Kanaa

On the don't run subject : Brry could have cleaned but there are still traces you cleaned something, it's only a delay of the event......Barry didn't want to run he wanted to face things directly in the right way. Remember that Barry has issue with lying and breaking law as team flash and it was exposed in episode 4 with Dibny issue. Compared to other seasons he is not willing to use the flash power to solve everything (It was stated it that same episode with him and Iris talking about not be willing to do the chores at high speed). Also hiding a body is a crime too guys !!! So when they found out there would be even more odds against him.

Anonymous

I honestly think its none of these options. DeVoe MUST have thought of and prepared for everything he can comprehend, so his downfall MUST be something that he doesn't even know is a possibility right? I don't think team flash can pull something like that off and he has to know that his wife could mess up to. Like Eric said in the reaction, it might have something to do with the "Speedforce Madness."

Anonymous

I agreed with Eric, that they should have raised the issue, that as a CSI, Barry would know what evidence not to leave around - also how convenient that the moment he walks into his apartment, the cops show up?

StevenBrown

well, from what I understood from the flash talking to his former future self, "Man that sound's silly" he came up with a gadget to weeken the thinkers ability to form thought.

Anonymous

Yep remember when savitar mention that they came up with a cerebral inhibitor, yeah do that

Cilla W

Claiming to be CSI is not a good form of defense. It is just speculation that he could have done a better job of murder and disposing of the body, but he didn't. Unfortunately the evidence stacked against him. What my biggest gripe is....where is the wheelchair? No one seemed to care where the wheelchair of a man who can't walk go? I don't care if they claim Barry dragged him out of it and into his apartment...that wheelchair has to be somewhere.

Anonymous

As much as we don’t want another speedster villain, I think it will come down to a race between Barry’s Variable Decision making and DaVoe’s Odds Predictability

Anonymous

Savitar mentioned last season they stopped him with The Cerebral Inhibitor. But i have a feeling they'll subvert that, and they'll attempt to use it but it will fail. Moreover since Mrs Devoe is getting more screentime she'll have something to do with his downfall, and since this is the CW we're talking about, it will have something to do with her relationship drama

Anonymous

Furthermore, if Cecile just used the Chewbacca Defense, Barry would have been acquitted.

Anonymous

the prosecutor is john scott from FRINGE!! (eta: eric, you've seen some or all of that show, right?)

Laugh Data

As much as we want the cerebro- inhibitor, i'm sure their reason for not using it is the reminder that the Speed Force Bazooka didnt stop Savitar, who also knew things, even though another future Barry told them it would work. Speaking of future.. In the Young Justice series it took more than Barry, by himself, running circles around the exploding nuclear man to stop him and since Wally wasn't there and Impulse isn't there, a part of me thought Barry would create a time remnant to help him and that time remnant would have his face burned and become the Savitar we all know; shunned for several reasons while his friends try to get the REAL Barry out of prison. And if Jessica Parker Kennedy, the mystery girl from the wedding, really is a future speedster, it would have been cool if she ran in and became our Impulse.

Anonymous

I think Marlize will eventually see Clifford go to far, everything will be too much for her, and she will actually give Team Flash a breach to act. The way she feels about Clifford's new body may be a clue!

Anonymous

marlize doesnt like cliffords new body. she like dat old body. new body is a no no. thats why she will betray Clifford.