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Published:
2017-11-09 15:45:05
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2021-01

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Did you think this episode was pushing a message too much?

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Anonymous

It was but the rest of the episode was so funny i didn't really care.

WhateverIFeelLike

I'm kinda in the middle on this I thought it was too much at certain points but overall it was a good episode.

Andrew Courtney

I liked the message I get why they went that direction. I’m sure there will be hardcore fans that hated it. I thought it was a great mix of message and humor and a bit of self discovery for Caitlin. Also Drunk Barry is my favorite Barry, did you hear He’s The Flash!!

Anonymous

It pushed it a bit, felt they were addressing it way too much instead the audience viewing, and interpreting it themselves

Derek H

It was so in-your-face and kind of took me out of the episode. I️ loved the Killer Frost stuff, but having the other women announce “#feminism” and how strong they were every time they did something was a bit ridiculous.

Dylan Carpenter

I honestly didn’t feel like they pushed too much, but at the same time the episode overall felt like it ended up weaker than others this season in order to accommodate that story.

Anonymous

It's just they could have a better story to convey the message rather than just...spitting stuff out and get in stupid situation for no logical reason.

Anonymous

They pushed it in a fine amount but it was how they pushed it. They tried too hard to make you understand what they were pushing.

Lonahora

I'll say Yes, though I can't put my finger on it despite it bugging me since the previous episode... Perhaps drinking is bad?

Anonymous

I don’t have a problem with a show occasionally having a feminist message, this one was just poorly done. They spent the whole episode trying make these women look empowered, only to have them make incredibly dumb decisions at the end. Why did they just let both metas go? Amunet is a crime lord, who knows their names and wants to kill them, and they just let her walk away. Why? They could have at least thrown her in the pipeline! The whole point of this season so far is to find the bus metas. Yet they just let The Weeper run away, knowing that he was going to be hunted down again and needed help. An episode focusing on feminism should make me gain more respect for the female characters, not make me think they are the dumbest characters on the show.

Anonymous
>>8221164

RE: dumb decisions. You have to remember that this show solidly established the characters as having single digit IQs in the first season. I'll trade multiple fempower episodes for writing out whatever air- or water-borne substance is making the denizens of Central City so darn stupid...

Weston Johnson

The feminist thing was a bit forced but I honestly don't think it took anything away from the episode itself. It was so freaking hilarious

Flashback007

I didn't even notice it was a special episode until it was mentioned in the reaction. I think they established enough that the guys were unavailable and went in to save Caitlin

Anonymous

I liked the episode ok over all. However they should have let the story flow organically to highlight they're strong women. Opposed to literally saying #feminism. If a story is told correctly you'll understand the theme is feministic without blatantly saying it every scene.

Anonymous

Yes because this is called the flash and we get enough of girl power in supergirl so I think it was a little like I dont think we even saw flash speed at all

Anonymous

Meh let the girls have their episode. It was fine! Although I would of liked more of drunk Barry!!!! #imtheflash

John Davis

My biggest gripe with this episode is the fact that in order to have the girls group up and be "strong independent women," they had to completely remove ALL of the guys from the equation. The point of having strong female characters is to have them prove their worth alongside the men, not in the absence of them. Also, more drunk Barry please.

Seany McBuckets

Feminism has become a parody of its self. I’m all for man and woman being treated equally but feminists today at rallies, and on social media, just push that women are better than men and don’t need a man. Which destroys the whole idea of us working together. It’s really sad honestly that the Flash would take that route too.

Stoned Volus

For me it was less to do with how much it was pushed and more to do with the quality of writing, which was subpar. As a femenisit it was embarrassing and cringe-worthy, and broke the cardinal rule of "show, don't tell."

Seany McBuckets

Side note: Has Barry not seen the kind of parties Oliver and Tommy used to throw? Thats the guy I'm inviting to my bachelor party!

Anonymous

They pushed it too much, hearing #anything pissed me off but the fact that they kept saying it so damn much was just cartoonish. The "male gaze" bs was just daft too, men and women sexualise each other, fact of nature, why try to change it? Especially with her dancing in a strip club and the whole "did you order a stripper gag" before the most laughable meta human fight ive ever seen takes place, contradicting her male gaze spiel. However I could forgive all that, ALL Of it, if it weren't for that Doctor Who comment at the start, the fandom is mostly okay with th gender change, but I'm convinced that most of the shit people who weren't so keen got, the "you're misogynistic" "you just hate women" crowd, was coming from people like Ceciles daughter who've never seen the bloody show in their life! How can you be a fa. Of Whitteckers doctor yet!? Capaldis still in the role, she's had no screen time!

Anonymous

I think the message would have been slightly better received if they didn't say feminism and girl power as much as they did

Anonymous

Other than the #Feminism lines I thought it was well written episode. #I'mtheFlash! XD

Anonymous

The episode was fine but the feminism stuff was too much. I get what they were trying to do, they should have been more subtle about it.

Skeletor

Well half your cast is women characters in flash anyways so a girls night episode is a bit too much. The bigger issues is this season of Flash has been a bit Goofy or least Barry has been.

Cat_Sidhe

This was simply a bad episode even ignoring all the pandering. They let an evil meta walk free, let a scared defenseless meta run away and get captured, Cisco had no energy this episode. The Flash didn't do ANYTHING in The Flash. Joe was totally fine this episode and I have no complaints there. I think Harry was the only positive part of the episode.

Cat_Sidhe
>>8221973

Exactly. The writing just wasn't good this episode.

Anthia Grant

The "#feminism" tag was annoying. But what bothered me more was when Iris kept reinforcing "We got this", I took it as they didn't need to rely on Barry and the others to come and save them. But then why did she call Barry 17 times to come and save them? From what I saw, Iris and Felicity got knocked down, they were both held at gun point and both relied on Caitlin to save them. It didn't seem like they had the situation handled very well. Also, letting the bad guy go was just foolish.

Anonymous

I enjoyed the episode overall, but was a little put off by the sudden feminism push that seemed to completely come out of nowhere. If there had been an unintentional comment or action by the guys to make the ladies feel like they weren’t being viewed as equals, I might have been more likely to see them taking the feminism path more. A better scenario would have been if Gypsy had been with the girls as Cisco’s girlfriend just trying to spend time and get along with his friends. With her personality, I could see her saying there was no need to get the extra help from the guys and just leading the charge dragging the rest along with her. Overall, just repeating the #feminism versus just showing it did the episode more harm than good.

I Am Groot

They should make women strong and independent by making them strong and independent, not saying they are strong and independent.

Anonymous

I am all for feminism but when you have the fastest man alive, Vibe and DC’s version of Mr. Fantastic, you find them to find a meta villian!!! Not some immature girls!! I hated it. The guys stuff was funny😄

Anonymous

So... they could track some rare metal in central city but not Barry’s phone to reach him? Nice. Very well thought out.

Boomchicawawa Bay

Actions speak louder then words, just like the feeling of empowerment during Wonder Woman's movie .

Ryan Witalison

I don't see what the fuss is about, it wasn't really all that serious

Darth Skhorrn

In trying to go back to the Season 1 Vibe, they're taking two steps back to overcompensate for the tone of last season. Real feminism doesn't have to be forced, and I get this sinking feeling this show is approaching Arrow-Season-4 levels. It hasn't yet, but my Spider-Sense is tingling.

Anonymous

The episode was good, but they pushed the feminism a bit much, having it more subtle would have been better. Still drunk Barry was the best.

Anonymous

What they were pushing was bad writing....

Anonymous

These females will not be apart of my new world.

Sauna-Man

I think they pushed it too much. Show, don't tell is the golden rule right? It doesn't bother me that much though, I enjoy this show more than I did last season.

Anonymous

If you want to have a message like feminism, you have to be subtle about it. F*** that #Feminism bullshit. This episode could have worked really well if the scenarios were written a little better, make it to where the girls actually had the situation under control for the most part. Then at the end have the two sides retell what happened. Barry: So how was your night with the girls? Iris: Oh, we took down an underground meta-drug den. What about you? Barry: Uuuuuuuuh... Dipny got punched by a stripper and we got arrested...

Cat_Sidhe
>>8224715

DeVoe just gained access to one of the metas thanks to the girls not going after him to make sure he's safe. So yeah... I think this was intended to be serious and it just came off as poor writing all over the place.

Kris

its weird that people hate the episode because of the #Feminism stuff. but it didn't take away anything from the episode for me but it was cringe worthy.

Randy Neal

Not at all. I think the hate for this episode has more to do with people thinking it's cool to not like Iris and Felicity and they were teamed up tonight.

Anonymous

I consider myself as a feminist and what it means is Equality, especially in good writing and action... I don't hate the characters but the message of #Feminism really minimized the main point that the show was probably trying to get at... I feel they could have taken a another route for expressing this message.

Anonymous

i liked the episode but i dont like how they made killer frost weak for this episode just to make it seem like the other girls were doing something.

Chris Royer

As a feminist myself, I do have to say it felt a bit like this episode was going "You get it? Guys? Do you get it?" and really rubbing it in our faces. Like, sometimes less is more and if they were a bit more subtle I feel like it may have left a stronger impact. That and generally I hate the "girl" episode of a show because it feels like it does the opposite of what the intended message is 90% of the time, especially since it's also always a female villain that the female heroes fight against. It was a good episode but just a bit too on the nose, I feel.

Anonymous

i love the fact that you guys just kept getting excited over the prospect of male strippers appearing. #feminism

Seany McBuckets

Trying to say any gender is better without the other and doesn't need one another doesn't pertain to anyone

StevenBrown

I do agree that the girls needed to have back-up. Keller Frost in not wanting to kill, allowed herself to be hurt. And temptation was in play which Killer Frost could have lived up to her name. Plastic man, or Elongated man, or what ever he wants to call himself. After blowing a bullet out of his nose, I have no doubt could have handled the problem just fine. But because of what the men went through, it would have had to happen the next day.

Anonymous

I feel it was pushed a little to hard but it didn’t stop me from liking the episode. In the words of the wild dog “I’m a feminist like that”

Boyd Outlaw

i didnt feel that way , im just happy this ep pretty funny

Anonymous

I love Feminism and I'm all for empowering women. But when you force the message so much and do it all in one episode, instead of carrying out the theme of it throughout the show, it only tells me that they were trying to check off a box on their agenda because feminism is a trending issue. Where as a show like Game of Thrones does it well but letting the characters actions tell us the audience that this a theme about empowering women. Like Dany and her advisor lady talking about how all men must die and Dany responds with "Yes. But we are not men." It just flows better there and when we start seeing the transitions from Kings to Queens for the majority of the families, it's obvious the show runners are making a point about how women are badass, but they don't shove it in our face by constantly saying it to the camera. I also think it doesn't help when they kept saying "Hashtag" because, again it feels like the show is just trying to jump at something trendy for points rather than tell a good story.

awktopus

The way to be a feminist show is to portray strong women with agency and depth of character, and to not act like that's special, or make a big deal out of it. The moment writers feel they have to tell an audience that their female character is strong, they show that, really, they haven't written a strong female character at all. If the writers do their job correctly, the audience shouldn't have to be told that a female character is strong. It should be obvious by the way she acts and talks. You know, like a normal human being would. I love The Flash, and I loved seeing Caitlyn/Frost, Iris, Felicity, and Cecile being badasses this episode. But I really didn't love seeing them talk about it, because they acted like one dimensional characters written solely to make the point that they aren't one dimensional. It was jarring, and difficult to watch.

Phoebe

The problem is the #Girlpower feeling..... it cheapens what feminism is...what they did wasn't anything to do with feminism... Feminism is equal rights and respect under the law and in society...Feminism isn't putting on a mini skirt to fight crime.

Rubi Moon

As a female myself, I feel it is important to have episodes that focus on the female characters, but not in a way that makes it awkward to watch. It was really awakward when it was clear it was only written for feminism. You don’t see the male characters yelling #ManPower or something. They can make an episode like this for respect of the female characters without blatantly pushing an agenda. In a way it took away from the episode because I felt it was no longer about the great female characters but more about pushing a political agenda. I feel like if shows do this, then they need to use Wonder Woman as an example and just treat the characters like their own character instead of making it about a specific gender or demographic. Wonder Woman worked because it just promoted a strong well developed character who happened to be female. It wasn’t made unrealistically either as Wonder Woman is a powerful superhero with god like powers. Only one of those female characters in the Flash has powers and can’t even control it. It’s honestly moronic to go up against a metahuman without ANY backup or plan when none of them have powers. I

Cody Enos

It wasn't too much for me, but it was definitely obvious.

Anonymous

It wasn't too much, but it was still enough to push the " this shit again" button, I don't need to see it hear it, plus we have Supergirl that does the cringy over girl situations. It's ok guys if you dislike the episode, what made up for it was the drunk Barry. My point is this episode was a nuisance and nonessential.

Anonymous

To much, saying #feminism that much is just over the top, if you want to empower woman then write good female characters with good stories

CavemanSteve

We still live in a society where men don’t get that no means no, where men don’t believe in boundaries, and where men still need sexual harassment refresher courses. They obviously still don’t get it. So yeah, maybe it needs to be shoved down our throats so that men will one day respect women and not objectify them.

Mimi M

They could have done it without the #feminism. It could have been more subtle but It wasn't too much. I had fun watching the episode.

Doby Greg

The actions were fine but the constant #femenism made it cringey. They made the situations feel akward and didn't seems to fit the characters. I'm also not sure the writers know what they wanted to do with Jonnie. There could have been something interesting if she liked stripping which means doing something she love even if other don't approve but the writing on that was poor and inconsequential.

Anonymous

I say no because the message wasn't written very well. Flash tried really hard this episode but completely missed the mark of female empowerment given the decisions the girls made. Having those few extra lines like Eric said would have easily fixed this. #feminism was also thrown around very loosely. Really sad that the only good feminist talks were between Joanie and Joe, not even one of the main female cast members had that... Arrow's gun control episode was written well, despite what you believe, and both sides had strong points. Supergirl also targets politically charged subjects but they are always done well (best on CW imo). Flash kind of missed it for me.

Anonymous

feminist episode indeed

G0d_Ginrai

So how is this for a crazy set of coincidences? 1st. Last week's episode of 'The Flash' featured a reference to 'Doctor Who.' 2nd. Last week's episode of 'Legends of Tomorrow' had the Legends dealing with a 'Vampire' all whilst Rory spent a good portion of the episode reading Bram Stoker's 'Dracula.' 3rd. And to round it all off, last week's 'Doctor Who' Blind Wave Reaction (for those not on Early Access via Patreon) had the Crew watching an episode where The Doctor took on an Alien who drained people's blood in a hospital ran by a Hospital Director named 'Mr. B. Stoker'.

Anonymous

It was corny how often they said feminism but I thought it was pretty realistic at the same time...like if they were real they would've just handled it like they did.