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“Get your boners ready!” - Steve, on Xavier and Wolverine looking like their cartoon counterparts in more recent MCU films

On this month’s patrons-only We ❤️ Movies episode, we’re chatting about a truly fantastic comic book motion picture, James Mangold’s Logan! Could Marvel go back to the comic book panel flip intro instead of using images from their films? It’s correct in saying that Hugh Jackman’s Wolverine is the best comic character performance of all time, right? Is Logan working for some kind of limousines-only Uber service? How great is Boyd Holbrook— in this movie, but also like, just in everything? And how clutch is all the violence and profanity in this film? PLUS: Fair warning, there’s some brief talk about New York geography— brief!

Logan stars Hugh Jackman, Patrick Stewart, Dafne Keen, Boyd Holbrook, Stephen Merchant, Elizabeth Rodriguez, Eriq La Salle, Elise Neal, Quincy Fouse, and Richard E. Grant as Dr. Rice; directed by James Mangold.

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Ed Harris

Will have to slightly disagree on this one. I like large parts of the film but overall, its a little oppressive in terms of tone. Granted, not the biggest Mangold fan out there. If nothing else, the tone fits the character better than the last Indiana Jones film did.

Lono's Oboe

I am 10 minutes into the episode and I remembered Boyd Holbrook is in this movie. Anticipating the impression

Dominic Kovell

Personally it's my favorite comic book movie, but it's definitely not upbeat, so it's not for everyone. What's more your style?

Milan

Will there be a spotted dick joke? About to find out. My favorite “comic book movie”, although, not even sure that’s the most accurate description of this one. Whatever, very stoked.

Comrade Trash Panda

I like Logan and think it's a good movie however, I've always been bemused by the praise it's received. Not that the praise is undeserved it's just if I want to watch a movie like this I'll just go to the classic films it's a simulacra of (westerns). The endless rehashing/recreating/remaking and recuperating output of the super hero genre ran out of nostalgic 80s/90s comic book IP and now the super hero movies are attempting to pull non-comic culture into its gnashing machine jaws. Why watch a revisionist western called Logan when I can just watch the movie it's aping: Unforgiven?

Mark Ibarra

My only disappointment with Logan is that Fox finally used the X-Men to their fullest cinematic extent...just before getting mashed into Disney's big ol meatball.

Matt

Cabin currently running around the northern Canadian wilderness in the big dumb Weapon X helmet

Tony King

I love this movie. Yes you could say "why not just watch a western", but I say, "why not watch a western with Wolverine in it!". I think this is my favourite comic book movie. It has all the action of an X-Men movie, but with tons of added emotion.

Adam Ray

Stephen is correct. Jackson and Spacey have a convi about Shane in The Negotiator.

jribs

My new theory is that they were going to do X2 but Cabin was unavailable and that episode has been in the works for 8 years. Clearly, the whole gang would need to be there for it.

Matt

*extremely bad Patrick Stewart voice* "Come to Taco Bell for the Charles Xavier Quesalupa. We knew you'd be coming"

Eren Keskin

A grampie with Alzheimer's has the power to kill an entire race of people. Who does Xavier think he is? Biden? BA DUM TSS! Fuck Trump too, that anus face. Prisonfart.com

Greg Hulett

I think the idea for Oklahoma City in the movie is that it’s sort of a Neo-Vegas. We have a loads and loads and loads of tribal casinos here in the state, but not many inside the bigger cities proper(OKC and Tulsa). Usually they’re right outside city limits or smaller towns. So, that being said I think it was just an imagined future where our Casinos took over as a major industry.

Tom

Merchant was also in the brilliant show Extras which is a must watch for anyone who wants to see pervert Patrick Stewart.

Tom

A great British pud. Not quite as good as a treacle sponge though.

Chris Rose

That's always been my thinking too, where it's reflecting America's shitty future where vice is the only industry left because our environment and infrastructure have basically collapsed and everyone's trying to stave off despair. Also, Vegas is probably 200 degrees at this point

Daniel Mayer

I think I'd only heard of Shane because there was some reference in the cartoon Hey Arnold, only they changed it to Wayne for some reason.

Dustin Despres

Prayers for Cabin and swift release from Alkali Lake containment 🙏

Nuña Bisness

When Laura turned Logan’s cross into an X, tears dude.

Matt Watterson

I read somewhere that they had only coated X-23’s claws with adamantium and not her whole skeleton so she would still grow.

Rhio2k

Not gonna lie, when I found out how old Charles Xavier was in the 90's, I was like "Holy crap...this dude has a stroke, he'll take out like 80% of the world's population!!"

Rhio2k

Yup. Because she was CREATED in the X-Factor program, and god...it would have been a horrific sideshow she'd become if her bones were coated at 11 or 12. Also, since only her claws are coated, her healing factor is like 2 - 3 times faster than Logan's...and she will never suffer adamantium poisoning.

Chris Rose

Tease for another comic-book WLM + an August release for the new one has me believing you'll be covering my beloved The Crow! A movie I watched a couple months ago and it HOLDS UP

John Edwards

I'm always a sucker for films like Logan that manage to turn high concepts into grounded drama. While it's true that you can get a similar sort of experience watching a quality Western, the inclusion of the fantastical elements, when properly balanced, creates contrasting flavors that I think enhances the experience. Something like Xavier's dementia disrupting Logan's reality in a tangibly physical way is the sort of reification of abstract ideas that I love visiting these worlds for.

Felipe Sobreiro

Beware (in case you're planning to watch it): SHANE has one of the worst Disgusting Shit Boys in movie history

Greg Vann

Laura doesn't have a full metal skeleton just the claws implanted in her feet and hands. She can grow just fine

Dennis C

I just want to say about Sauron, he is in one of my favorite comic book panels of all-time https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fjrzv05vzg9621.jpg%3Fauto%3Dwebp%26s%3D73d8c46799c76e608be9d94c65ffdf5e90f1dcab

Damon LeCornu

Indeed, Stephen's comics knowledge is formidable...

I.C. Weiner

I was trying to figure out what August release is comic book related, and I think you nailed it.

Jonathan Lyons

They actually address how Charles actually lost his fortune in Old Man Logan. He forgot he put all of it in the banana stand.

Luke Gordnier

I also like dial of dynasty quite a bit and Copland.

Patrick Franz

For some reason 'Road to Perdition' popped in my head, but with that adult looking remake coming out soon I think you nailed it with the CROW

Matthew Lloyd

In the film and x-men evolution they only coat Lauras claws in adamantium.

Paul

I like Dafne Keen in The Acolyte. So cute and cuddly-looking as a Jedi. 😍

Jon Wika

I always thought X24 looks like Liev Schreiber's Sabertooth.

Coomanfu

It’s the Negotiator that was talking about Shane, we memory holed it because Kevin Spacey is the protagonist.

Matthew Lloyd

My theory is is that the altered corn syrup that essentially prevented new mutant births and other stuff also caused wolverines healing degeneration and Xaviers brain degeneration.

Jaime Lee Ezell

Just did an actual spit take with the sudden Fozzie impression! Bravo!!

Lance Flexington

R.I.P. Dr. Benton, just trying to retire growing corn and terrorized by racist assholes in the not too distant future

Les Whinen

Yea fuck reddit. I pay to make terrible comments.

James

Yes but it’s worth it to see a great appearance by Jack Palance

The Knee-Jerk Reactor

If you guys get a chance, Boyd Holbrook was in this fun time travel film called In The Shadow of the Moon. Check it out.

Wesley

There's no Irishmen or Captain Marvel de ageing technique for X24, everything from the neck up is CGI replacement and the actor is Jackman's stunt double.

Craig

“I’ve seen everything. I’ve seen it all.”

Dennis Stack

Idk what I love more, the collective Patrick Stewart impression or their Gerard Butler! 😂

wehatemovies

Well, I'd just say, if I want to watch Unforgiven, I'll watch Unforgiven, or any other Western for that matter, if I feel like watching a Western. If I want to watch a new spin on something and also wanna feel those comic book vibes, then yeah, Logan is gonna get put on. I think it's okay to watch "neo" iterations of things. I certainly wouldn't discount all the great Neo-noir that's been made over the last 50 years and just put on something from the '40s. I think there's room for both ends in my viewing habits. - Andrew

wehatemovies

We just wanted to talk about Logan. It was long on the schedule before Chris couldn't make it. - Andrew

wehatemovies

I honestly think about, "But it doesn't matter... because I've already seen everything" at least once a month. - Andrew

shaka

I believe the “Shane” conversation happens in A Low Down Dirty Shame

shaka

I believe the “Shane” conversation happens in A Low Down Dirty Shame. I think Jada’s character was obsessed with it

David Allen

I’d love to show Logan to my girlfriend because I think she’d really enjoy it, but she has a real disdain for superhero movies. Would it work for her with no context? Is there a bare minimum of X-Men or previous Wolverine movies she could catch up on?

Ian Baird

Chalk another one blown away by Steve's Fozzie Bear impression! Frank Oz-level performance there, Steve!

Zerox

Love this movie and love listening to you guys talk about it. Patrick Stewart impressions will Never get old.

Kyle Godown

I know you guys absolutely do not care about a near 40- year old man's X-Men rankings. But I just watched 13 f'in movies so here you go! X2 Days of Future Past Logan X-Men 2000 Deadpool First Class Deadpool 2 The Wolverine Apocalypse Last Stand Wolverine Origins Dark Phoenix New Mutants

Scmods

Great movie, great episode, great time. Looking forward to the X-Men 2000 episode later this month.

ProcHoliday

He's also pretty amazing in the game Portal 2 as Wheatley...along with JK Simmons as Cave Johnson.

Taco6N 13

Absolutely. I struggle to even call this a superhero movie. Really the only context you need is what Wolverine and Prof X's powers are summed up in a single sentence.

Pete

Anybody else watch Logan along with this? Works pretty well.

Michael Mora

It’s definitely THE NEGOTIATOR that has the SHANE scene. Here is the clip when they talk specifically about the ending of Shane: https://youtu.be/7BmsmfBK4nQ?si=uCd6DF4XS7IACb60 The SHANE conversation then plays a role in the ending of THE NEGOTIATOR: https://youtu.be/MZhNDpll2Vg?si=xqpwneRQfD8ylv5M

wehatemovies

I'd flop Logan and Days of Future Past, I've got no idea where those Deadpool movies would go, and I haven't seen New Mutants, but I think otherwise this is pretty much my order! - Andrew

jribs

The only approved use of AI should be to remove Ricky Gervais from Extras. The scene when Merchant is doing blow in the bathroom stall but his head can peak over the top because he’s like 7 feet tall is so good.

Meghan McGehee

I just had covid and did the X Men rewatch. Start to finish. This was an amazing movie.

Dave Funk

Great ep! WLM August is The Crow. Bet.

Smaug

Are you similarly bemused by the praise Star Wars receives? Why not just watch the westerns and samurai flicks it's aping?

Smaug

Stephen Merchant, also great and hilarious as Wheatley in Portal 2

Comrade Trash Panda

My bemusement primarily comes from the utilization of the aesthetics of a revisionist western for Logan. There's been a lot of ink spilled when discussing the sub-genre of revisionist westerns and I don't think it's necessary to write a novel about it here, but to simplify: the genre is foundationally interested in subverting genre expectations in order to illicit a critique from the audience of their (the audience) relation to both genre and our own history and principally to question how western films have papered over or obscured our collective past. This however doesn't work for Logan so the aping is just that; lifting of an aesthetic only as the critique doesn't apply to the super hero genre and can't transfer over. I feel the need to re-iterate that I really like Logan, I just don't think it "works" for lack of a better word and that's why the praise bemuses me. Not that I think people should be hating it, just that it's so odd to me to apply revisionist western genre conventions to super heros as the underlying critique doesn't fit.

DMAC

Damn dude, those top 3, while I agree with them. Really you could flip that order any which way and you wouldn't be wrong either.

DMAC

Now I'm wondering what the fellas best-worst of the subreddit is?

Nathan Lemire

Black and white? Mister, I was born for it!

Michael Daniels

Stewart deserved at least an Oscar nomination for this role. He really crushed it.

IAR

Yes! One of the few video games ever written to be funny that was actually funny. Hilarious game with several great performances, although Merchant really stands out. That game’s also surprisingly deep and deals well with pathos. Big recommend for anyone who’s never played it. It’s a true classic.

Shamus R McClelland

I need validation, the Reapers all have robot hands because the mutant kids were looping them off right?

Will See

Hell yeah

Jason

I would imagine Eric would suggest it's a fringe benefit for joining to give them extreme gooning abilities.

Nicholas Young

What are y’all’s favorite dad-mad moments in film? Without using Hugh Jackman

Joe

i'm guessing they're gonna do the crow next month

Kureigu

Girlfriend wanted to watch Logan last night, Patrick Stewart is so good in it.

Shaenon Garrity + Jeff Wells

The idea that Marvel comics exist in the Marvel universe as licensed adaptations of actual superhero adventures is a surprisingly old bit of lore; in one of the early Kirby/Lee comics, Doctor Doom visits the Marvel offices to strong-arm them into giving away the FF's location. There was a fun She-Hulk run in the 2000s where she used the comics as evidence in legal cases. Anyway, I always loved that goofy concept and I love the way it's used in Logan.

Connor Lukee

Honestly I thought the clone wolverine was abit weak, would've preferred if they used Daken but that being said it would've been a pain to make it work but if they did god it would've been beautiful

Tanner

"Pica- Uh, Captain- ..... No." Had me dying for some reason.