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Episode #732: Wall Street (W❤️M) (Patreon)

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“To this day, as of right now, as the words are coming out of my mouth… I have no clue how the stock market works!” - Andrew

On this month’s patron-selected We ❤️ Movies episode, we’re chatting about the absolutely fantastic cautionary tale, yes, folks, a cautionary tale, Oliver Stone’s Wall Street! How incredible is Michael Douglas in this movie? Does it get any better than that Talking Heads needle drop? How terribly miscast was Darryl Hannah in this? And how ugly is her character’s interior decoration job on Bud’s apartment? Was Gekko’s Hamptons beach house the same house from Weekend at Bernie’s? How many dummies watched this movie wrong and went on to get their MBAs? And how does Charlie do going toe-to-toe with dear, old Dad in their scenes together? PLUS: Did every rich idiot in the late-80s have a robot butler in their house?

Wall Street stars Charlie Sheen, Michael Douglas, Darryl Hannah, Martin Sheen, John C. McGinley, Hal Holbrook, James Karen, Josh Mostel, Sean Young, James Spader, Saul Rubinek, and Terence Stamp as Sir Larry Wildman; directed by Oliver Stone.

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Original cover art by Felipe Sobreiro.

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Tim O'Connor

I haven't seen this movie before. I can't wait to hear about when they buy out the stock market in NIGHT VISION.

Geoff Gershon

One of my all time favorites....might be THE most quotable movie of the '80's!

DMAC

My knowledge of the stock market strictly comes from Trading Places. The only commodity is frozen orange juice concentrate.

DMAC
>>134243385

They are only trading stocks with Cummy Twenties

Nate Brennaman

Stone's most recent is Snowden from 2016

Jason

I like this film because we learn backstory as to why the money never sleeps

Paul

🗣️Blue Horseshoe Loves Anacott Steel.

CharlesGrodin'sToupee

The "I loved you in Wall Street" gag in Hot Shots: Part Deux gets me every time.

Adam Lewis

When capital and the need for capital love one another very much....

Busiris

"The point is, ladies and gentleman, that WLM, for lack of a better word, is good. WLM is right, WLM works."

Kevin Matthews

Love it. The kind of conversation about a film that makes me want to immediately revisit the film, which I will be doing ASAP. And I might even cave in to watch the belated sequel too.

Tristan

A good underShean movie.

Mike Kling

The sequel is worth a watch

Mark Ibarra

Good call on Charlie being better at comedy than drama. As a dramatic actor, he's a competent, handsome, nepo baby. When he's funny, he can steal scenes outright.

RJ Cunningham

“I loved you in Wall Street!”

RJ Cunningham

In regards to the comparison to WOWS. I think Douglas outperforms Leo, because people to this day get enthralled by him in this movie. This time around I realized that his type of charisma, combined with a script that doesn’t make him cartoonishly evil, but a true devil in disguise. People want to be Leo in Wolf because of the partying. People actually believe that they believe in what Gordon Gecko is saying. I also push back on people claiming they find Gecko’s speech so nefarious, because it’s not written that way. It’s written in a populist vein that validly pushes you into rationalizing Gecko as absolutely correct for America. That’s superb writing and acting. Better than Winter and Leo in Wolf. I know Leo wasn’t playing the same paternal role, but the comparison between the two movies will exist forever so comparing their leads and the audience reaction is valid.

Mark Ibarra
>>134285016

Scorsese makes Leo's Belfort such a gray matter-of-fact protagonist that one can be lukewarm on his actions and his fate. Leo is a great actor and a movie star, but he's never been holy-shit-dynamic. Stone and Douglas embrace Gekko as a gleeful scumbag who isn't just exploiting the system because it's possible and lucrative, but because he enjoys the fuck out of being Gordon Gekko. And Douglas squeezes all the juice out.

Felipe Sobreiro

Steve, I think Eric deserves some points for guessing SALVADOR

jribs
>>134244176

I’ve seen that movie at least 15 times, that scene 50 times, and watched people explain it on YouTube. I still don’t get it ….

Kate Lampe

I'm so excited for this episode. For some inexplicable reason, this was my favourite movie when I was about 9. I think my dad thought it was a little odd that I rented it almost every week but he went with it lol. Such a great movie.

DMAC
>>134244176

It's a poorly explained scene on why what they are doing works to ruin the Duke brothers. There needed to be a scene showing Aykroyd and Murphy buying Frozen OJ Concentrate (FOJC) before they get to the stock market. Here is the example that I have put together based on my understanding of the situation after having myself watch many videos on what exactly happened: I buy 100 shares of FOJC and let's say the price at the start of the day is $5. This is a contract to buy from me the right to sell FOJC at that price. So when trading opens and we see the report of the FOJC the price is $10, this being very high for anyone to buy, I start to sell my $5 contract shares. This saves you $5/share because you're buying from me versus buying at the newly set $10/share price. This also drives the share price down from it's $10/share to whatever it will take to get you to buy from the Market versus me. At the end of the day the Duke Bros broker has bought all my shares promising to pay me $5/share and since their price is only $1/share they are losing $4 on each share. Which yes, buy low sell high. The Duke Bros were counting on the report being the opposite of what was reported and being able to buy cheaper FOJC, controlling the majority of that market, driving up the shares via scarcity due to their volume of ownership. In a sense the Duke Bros were hoping for a bad report, the starting price of FOJC being $1/share, they buy it all up, the price goes up because other brokers want to also buy, and the Duke Bros then selling their shares at the higher share price point. Again, it seems confusing because it's a poorly explained scene on how it will work, and they the writers assume you have an understanding of the commodities market. Edit: apologies if my "have an understanding of the commodities market" comes off snooty or snoty.

Ryan Keyport

I mean...all rodgers has to do is retire and he'd be out of that contract. Nfl contracts aren't that hard to get out of. But god...please don't let that guy go into politics 😂😂

Ryan Keyport
>>134276183

I actually saw that before I ever saw this one. I agree..its a pretty solid watch

jribs

I was overjoyed and weirdly proud (?) when Andrew talked about the Jacob Burns Film Center being his *former* place of employment. I have listened to this podcast for about 8 years, and I have been a Patreon subscriber for about 6. The fact these guys were able to turn this into their full-time employment is astounding and a testament to the devotion they have given to entertaining us. The WHM gang is coming up on 14 years this December. I hope they give us 14 more.

Lono's Oboe

I really thought those breathing and vocal exercises were taught to Douglas because of the thing he got throat cancer from and not because he was smoking 40 a day...

RJ Cunningham

I found Chris Cabin so damn enthralling in this episode. He talked about a movie in the in-depth, mind of the director/writer stuff, etc. A lot of movies don’t really have anything to explore but Wall Street definitely does and Cabin spoke about a bunch of aspects I hadn’t considered before. The Dracula symbolism was staring me in the face and didn’t realize til Cabin made reference to it. I think best exemplified when he sells out the stock at the end, hangs up the phone and becomes a complete silhouette. There’s another scene in which I wonder how Cabin saw it, but during the scene in which Bud and Gordon meet, when Gordon finally takes his seat to begin formally addressing Bud (about 17:05) he 100% strikes the most seductive, “should we fuck” eyes I can remember. I almost feel as if the direction was “act as the sexy temptress, lighting the cigarettes and truly engaging with this man in a lustful way.” I think it ties into the whole the end of this Incubus/Dracula theme where Gecko wants to completely consume Bud. Power, money, and sex, and in his introductory pose he nails all three. I also feel like Daryl Hannah takes a potential interesting angle out of the story (her being Gecko’s tool) because her acting is so fucking bad. A competent actress there and there’s another legitimate element of being seduced into Gecko’s control. But with Daryl Hannah they turn into the silly bits of the movie you make fun of. Would have preferred Sean Young since she’s an actual actress. But I honestly would have preferred them never showing Gordon’s wife or kid. I think that would even further cement the lack of emotional connection to anything, just brief mentions of his wife and kid . Which for the other 99% of the world that’s their number one priority. And yes I know it’s probably closer to like 50% since a lot of people are shit but you get the idea

Tala Hobballah

Leo was playing himself at an 11 in WOWS. I think it's all the yachts and barely legal women.

RJ Cunningham
>>134351704

I had that thought as well. I think he could just retire and then that’s that with the Jets . Only issue would be if he tried to re-enter the NFL, that is after 8 pants-shittingly-insane years of being the Vice President of the US.

Kevin Lynch

Is there a director whose movies date as bad as Oliver Stone? His movies have a shelf-life of unpasteurized milk

Jorge Guerrero

I keep confusing this movie with "The Firm"

Joe Gunch

I keep hearing 'Bud Fox' as 'Butt Fucks'', and it's making this episode even better.

Knut Farstad

You wanna get FUCKED, Butler Bot? HUH?!

Watch_N_Rewatch

Excellent episode and watched Wall Street for the first time, it was really good! Thanks guys

Jeff Wanless

Not for nothing... the "who am i?" Part is pretty lame

Mark D Myers

Still haven't still happy.

Mark D Myers

Jeff ross was on a episode of Batman the brave and the bold as him self.

profondo robbo

FWIW Michael Douglas won an Oscar for producing One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest, which I honestly find weirder than him only having the one nom/win for acting.