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Ranked Choice Test (Patreon)

Published:
2018-04-08 21:18:38
Imported:
2023-05

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Hey guys, I'm toying around with another potential change to the voting system.  So far you've been filling out a form where you can check as many boxes as you want.  This has the positive side of negating the split-vote problem that arises in a system where people can only vote once and, for example, two Final Fantasy (or otherwise similar) games are nominated.  The downside however is that all votes are ranked equally, so your top choice is getting the same benefit as your 8th choice if  you choose to vote on so many things.

So here I propose the option of ranking your choices.  It gives you more control, promoting your top choices more, but it's also a bit overwhelming.  Let's see whether you can all make sense of this form to begin with, then at the bottom you can vote on whether you think this is an improvement or not.  Please feel free to discuss your thoughts in the comment section here.

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Ranked Choice Test

This is a test for a potential voting system. The goal is to allow people to rank their choices instead of giving everything an equal value, increasing the accuracy of the results. Select the bubble for "1" for your top choice, then continue in descending order according to favor.

Comments

Anonymous

I think it's a good improvement, makes a lot of sense in the sense of ranking. The only thing I don't like about it is that it's slower than the previous system especially on mobile.

Anonymous

I like the concept. I think there still needs to be a number that means 'not interested', so I'd prefer 0-10 with 10 as the highest and then the highest score wins. I think without a 0 option it's too easy to accidentally click on an option and it doesn't seem like you can unclick once you've picked something - you have to pick something in that row once you've made a selection per row. I'm not sure how easy it is to set up different voting schemes though.

Gustav Sulingga Wahrberg

I think it works fine, but the issue of not being able to unselect an option would be annoying. If you accidentally select a score for a game you don't care of at all you can't not vote for it unless you reload the poll.

Gustav Sulingga Wahrberg
>>11411016

If you can put a column with "not interested" and be able to select as many as you want on only that column, that would be great. Also wouldn't it make more sense to have it backwards, the highest number being the most weight towards the final score. Then you could put zeros for games you're not interested in. Doesn't really matter but anyways...

blalo'u

I feel like this is a much better system for gauging what people *really* want. I feel like there's a lot of people who want X game "oh my god yes now" and then also look at Y classic game and go "Eh, sure, why not." With the current system there's no real way to express your order of wishes, but games that will always garner a "sure why not" reaction from a wide swath of people are kind of destined to win. At least this way we get a way to influence the poll that isn't a binary yes/no.

GooGhoul

I noticed the option: I see this change as an improvement. I see this change as a mistake. But if your confused or dislike this change you wouldn't make as far as this so it's baised in favour of people saying it's an improvement.

GooGhoul

Huh, apparently I can submit my response with only 2nd , 3rd and 5th place selected. That shouldn't be allowed right?

SebastianSB
>>11411676

I clearly state in the description that you don't need to rank every game. If someone wants to intentionally gimp their votes by not using the number one slot that's their own bizarre choice.

Anonymous

Watch Zelda still win anyway

Anonymous

I don't know about how this would change the results - as, as others have stated, it depends on how you count the votes - but I find it harder to use. If you rate something and didn't want to, you cannot unselect it and if you want to change your order, you need to change everything because of the "one selection per column" policy. If would find a notation system (multiple same ranks allowed) more user-friendly than a voting system, but I don't know if it wouldn't be abusable or anything…

Anonymous

I really like this voting system called “Majority judgment”: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majority_judgment" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majority_judgment</a>. It has the advantage of allowing lot of nuance in preferences, and tries to discourage strategic voting. This means that everyone could vote for what they really like accordingly. Also, it would fit nicely on mobile, as you could use a drop down to display the choices, instead of rows of radio buttons. (Also, it could make for a cool animation when you reveal the winner, because you stack the choices in a 100% scale, then draw a line at the median to determine the winner ^^)

Anonymous
>>11413071

I took the time to replicate your example above to show an example of what it would look like, for those that are interested: <a href="https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSej8gkx5sn4d3ze3w6sbau-JsfWQLMiDzebma77AdKYZV9UAw/viewform" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSej8gkx5sn4d3ze3w6sbau-JsfWQLMiDzebma77AdKYZV9UAw/viewform</a>

Anonymous

I like the system but I couldn't figure out how you are going to pick the winner other than visually some have higher spikes.

SebastianSB
>>11416450

On the backend I have access to significantly better data than trying to look at some bars.

Nikki

The idea is sensible, but I know at least for myself that such ranked choices can feel overwhelming fast. I'd try to limit it to two or three ranks, and it should be possible to just check none (as before).

Calliope Rannis
>>11410967

You can just not click on a thing if you are not interested, and if you do misclick on an option, just set it to 14 or something where your misclick will have the lowest possible impact.

Calliope Rannis
>>11412630

The exact problem with allowing multiple same-rank votes is people abusing the most extreme options to game the system, so yeah it would be an issue.

GooGhoul

You urgently need to randomise the order of the choices if you use this system. Ranked choice has a strong order effect of ballot position, since lots of people will just fill out the ranks in the same order as listed giving the top spot a big advantage.

Anonymous
>>11411865

I don’t know. I’m not sure I really want to watch Keith fiddle around with the motion controls of Skyward Sword. lol

Anonymous
>>11410967

If you're implying that games you're not interested in should all be the worst score, it still makes sense to me that scoring rankings should still be reversed so that not choosing an option would count as a score of 0 instead of 14. So that way, top choice is the highest total number and lowest scored means it wasn't chosen or it got low scores unless specifically not selecting an option automatically makes it a 14 or whatever the worst score is in the poll. I'd prefer a scheme where I know not selecting an option will count as the 'lowest score', and I think it'd be easier to deal with interpreting the data.