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Hey Folks,

By request: "How to make cycloidal gear tooth flycutters for clock and instrument projects."

Perfect for cutting both the wheels and pinions in the BSC project, and also entirely suitable for cutting the wheels (but not pinions) in any clock project you may wish to tackle.

 Save some dollars, and enjoy spending the cash on something more worthy!

The excel spreadsheet that I refer to in the video can be downloaded here: https://www.patreon.com/file?h=7965761&i=813598

Cheers,

Chris.


If you'd prefer to buy the commercial cutters for this project, you can now purchase them directly from PP Thornton at their website: http://ppthornton.com/

Required cutters for the BSC build are:

  • 1 x 0.85M Wheel Cutter
  • 1 x 0.85M 7 Leaf pinion Cutter
  • 1 x 0.85M 10 Leaf pinion Cutter
  • 1 x 0.85M 12 Leaf pinion Cutter

 

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Tools & Shop Products:

Solidworks 2013 Bible: http://amzn.to/2FObS1D

"Wheel & Pinion Cutting in Horology": http://amzn.to/2HI6ca9

"Gears and Gear Cutting", Ivan Law: http://amzn.to/2FKmaUI

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Files

Byzantine Sundial-Calendar - Part 2

Byzantine Sundial-Calendar - Part 2, by Clickspring. Making your own cutters is a valuable trick to have up your sleeve - So in this episode I go through the process in detail, and also provide a handy calculator that you can use to crunch the numbers. Download the calculator here: https://www.patreon.com/file?h=7965761&i=813598 If you'd prefer to buy the commercial cutters, you can now get them directly from PP Thornton at their website: http://ppthornton.com/ Required cutters for the BSC build are: 1 x 0.85M Wheel Cutter 1 x 0.85M 7 Leaf pinion Cutter 1 x 0.85M 10 Leaf pinion Cutter 1 x 0.85M 12 Leaf pinion Cutter ________________________________________________________ A very special thank you to Patrons: Mitchell Collins Sinking Valley Woodworks (http://www.sinkingvalleywoodworks.com) Daniel Cohen Larry Pardi Sean Kuyper Samuel Irons Dan Keen Florian Ragwitz Matthew Middleton ________________________________________________________ Abbreviated Transcript: 0:00:44 The easiest, and fastest way to get to the finish line, is by using a turned fly cutter like this, made from drill rod. They cut brilliantly, are cheap to make, and once you get the hang of it, you can knock them out in a matter of minutes, with no special tooling required. 01:28 OK, so now a word or two about the geometry of the modern horological cutters generally referred to as cycloidal gear cutters. The first thing to point out is that they are in fact not cycloidal. They use circular curves at the addendum to approximate a cycloid, and this is for us, a huge bonus. Because it makes their construction a lot simpler to replicate. 02:08 But as helpful as those sources are, nowhere have I seen the necessary data that links the cutter geometry, to what you need when you're standing in front of your lathe, ready to make a cutter. To the things that you can control, like the crosslide, carriage and topslide positions. 02:55 But as the module of the gear gets smaller, the button gets a bit impractical to both make and use. Far more convenient, is to grind the radius directly into a HSS blank, using a simple shop made gauge to confirm the radius. It's not as accurate as a turned button, but it's definitely accurate enough. 04:04 We can just turn the stock down until we measure that diameter, and we know we're there. The Z axis position is given by facing off the work, and locking off the carriage. Now of course it's not quite as simple as that in practice, so here's the approach that I take: I take up the backlash on the top slide, and zero the handwheel collar. 05:04 I work towards the zero position set on the cross slide a moment ago, making the cut by feeding out the with the top slide. This is probably the trickiest part of the job. Since I'm going past the cross slide zer indicator more than once on my way towards that final diameter D. It takes me a bit of time to get my eye in, to spot the actual zero point that identifies the minimum diameter. 06:23 With a wheel cutter the flank angle is quite shallow, so a rough check can be made to confirm the final tooth tip width. The section being measured is of course tapered which compromises the measurement, but I can see that I'm in the ballpark with the final dimension slightly oversized to allow for polishing and stoning. And with the turning complete, the cutting face can now be formed. The cutter is milled to a few hundredths less than the half diameter, again as an allowance for stoning. 07:27 And as a final step I think its a good idea to stamp in some identifying marks, so that it can be easily identified in future. The cutter is then hardened in the usual way, quenching in oil, and then very carefully tempered. With the tip taken to a pale straw color, by slowly running the colors up the shank from the blunt end. 07:53 I should point out that this step is critical. If the cutter remains brittle from the quench, it'll snap off on the first attempt to cut. With the heat treatment complete, the cutter can be polished and have its cutting edges sharpened. Which brings me to the first of a few limitations. First of all, its not a constant profile cutter, so the profile will change as its sharpened. 09:50 You can of course simply purchase the cutters for this project if you prefer, and I'll put a link in the description box to show you where you can get them. But it's there for you as an option, and also worth keeping in mind if you ever need to replace a single clock wheel one day, and don't want to shell out 70 quid for a single use cutter. References: "Gear Cutting in the lathe" Model Engineer Commenced June 1949, Duplex "Wheel And Pinion Cutting In Horology", J Malcolm Wild https://www.amazon.com/Wheel-Pinion-Cutting-Horology-Historical/dp/1861262450 "Gears and Gear Cutting", Ivan Law https://www.amazon.com/Gears-Gear-Cutting-Workshop-Practice/dp/0852429118 M-P Brochure Byzantine Sundial-Calendar - Part 2, by Clickspring.

Comments

Gordon Burns

Amazing video Chris, as usual. I could watch your stuff all day.

Bráulio Silva

Science is a beautiful thing! =) Chris, thank you very much for sharing your work with the rest of us.

Scott Clausen

Another thing of beauty, Chris. Makes me wish I had the tools to do this type of fun.

Dean Thompson

Marvelous discussion of the process Chris. It is going to take a couple of viewings to fully absorb all of the information that you have packed into it.

Anonymous

It is unreal how good these are. Thank you for citing sources and actually using real math. It's like watching a well written academic paper.

clickspring

Cheers Dean, I really hope this one saves a few bucks for those here that can make use of it

Luke Pettit

Is it any wonder you're making your own 1 GBP = 1.67141 AUD lol Wouldn't the Swiss also have these kinds of tools or does everyone source from the Poms. ;-D

Paul Busby

Holy crap, that is a good video. The cost of cutters has been on my list of excuses to not trying to make gears on the lathe, don't want to spend all that money and ruin it on the first try. I finally see how you get an angle with the dial indicator. I have looked at the references you cited and they made little sense to me. Your explanation makes it all very understandable. Is there a home shop solution to make a cutter that would work for steal pinions? How did you make the radius gauge for the lathe cutter, I'm thinking just drilling a hole and cutting in half but is that accurate enough when dealing with hundredth of a milimeter? Could you have made the cutter on your small Sherline as currently this is all I have? Lastly it was nice to hear pounds £ being used. Just truly amazing work. If I am allowed one complaint, I could have watched more of it :)

clickspring

So pleased to hear that Paul! There are a few multi tooth cutter designs that I am keen to try out for cutting steel pinions, I will work it into a future project at some point. Generally the stock used for pinions is the source of the problem - its a real pain to work because of its higher carbon content (required for the heat treating). Even cutting pinions with top grade HSS cutters gives me the willies - its such an unattractive combination of a large cutting edge, poor chip clearance, and tough material that any cutter will struggle and need close management, no matter what its made of. Yes spot on for the radius gauge - just drill a hole and then file or mill off one side. Definitely accurate enough, the addendum of a clock wheel tooth is surprisingly forgiving. Yes the Sherline would be perfect - in fact I very nearly did all of the shooting for this video on the Sherline, but it tends to be harder to get good lighting on it where I use it, so I went with the SC4 instead. The Sherline is superbly accurate for small stuff like this. I will show more of the cutters being used in the next episode, when I cut all of the wheels and pinions for the project. Cheers mate :)

Anonymous

I know absolutely nothing about metal working; however, I just happened across your YouTube videos about a year ago and was hooked. Your patience (at least in the videos :-)), your calmness when describing your processes and quality of workmanship is mesmerizing. Love your work. Cheers!

Mat Gadd

Pounds, dollars, bucks, quid… Where _are_ you?! 😂

Anonymous

This videos are always the best things I watch on youtube. Keep it up Chris, you are a true butt-kicker!

clickspring

Thank you Anthony, terrific to have your support mate, much appreciated :)

Anonymous

I have only one complaint- there are not enough videos. How about a weekly release? We would expect the same quality of course :)

clickspring

Ha ha! Yes would love to be putting out more videos, currently working very long days to increase the frequency as much as possible. Its just such a time consuming process. Honestly I had no idea how much time YT'ers put in until I started doing this. Cheers mate :)

Anonymous

Brilliant ! Very enjoyable...thanks.

Anonymous

U are one hell of a machinist & video editor. I wish I had the resources & knowledge that u possess. I can't wait to see what u do next, and I wish I could get one of those Skelton clocks because that was a thing of beauty and engineering. Cheers

Anonymous

As always I love your work and you've inspired me to begin my journey into metal work. I would like to concentrate on building hand tools for woodworking and movements for clocks. So I need some advice on purchasing a small bench lathe. I do plan on doing majority of the work by hand as I do in woodworking, it's a traditional approach I don't wish to depart from. I would prefer to work with an antique foot powered metal working lathe but I'm sure they are too difficult to find and would be very expensive. So what lathe do you recommend ? What tools will I need? Where can I find brass and O1 stool steel? I live on the Gold Coast so it would be nice to save on shipping to pick them up myself but if not anywhere in Oz would be ok.

clickspring

Hey Salko, I have an article here that will help you select a lathe: <a href="http://www.clickspringprojects.com/blog/which-lathe-should-i-buy" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">http://www.clickspringprojects.com/blog/which-lathe-should-i-buy</a> For materials, my fave sources are as follows: Brass from either <a href="http://www.georgeweston.com.au" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">http://www.georgeweston.com.au</a> or <a href="http://www.georgewhite.com.au" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">http://www.georgewhite.com.au</a> depending on price and availability. Drill rod (O1 in rod form) from <a href="http://www.blackwoods.com.au" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">http://www.blackwoods.com.au</a> Gage plate from <a href="http://www.hales.com.au" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">http://www.hales.com.au</a> EN8 medium carbon steel, pivot steel, suspension spring steel etc from <a href="http://www.clockmaking-brass.co.uk/" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">http://www.clockmaking-brass.co.uk/</a> Mainspring steel from <a href="http://m-p.co.uk/" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">http://m-p.co.uk/</a> Aluminium, Mild steel, brass offcuts, bronze offcuts etc all sourced from local machine shops - I drop past the ones I know well from time to time and just buy as I see something I like. Hope that helps!

Anonymous

Your a legend Chris, I just got back home and saw these links thanks mate.

Mike Michelizzi

Thanks for all your hard work on the videos and especially for the cutter spreadsheet! I may not ever get around to cutting my own gears, but it's nice to have the resources available. Cheers! Mike

Anonymous

Awesome Chris! A few questions (probably too many)(but...) I am an editor / animator by day and wanna be maker by night. I have built my CNC (kit, with many personal mods) and have that world working pretty well, but have been eyeballing lathes ever since. It's pretty much your fault, but I thank you for it. Knowing what a beginner will go through and want to start building, is a 7 x 14 enough to get going and have enough room to learn and grow. I see many which I could get into for under 1K (US). While this might not be a lot to some, it's an ask for me. So I want to make sure. I know you speed some of the work up as it would take far too long to present at full length, but in other videos you have taken a cut at normal speed, then sped up the video. This is helpful for getting an idea of feed. Could I ask you to mention what use for RPMs. Or... is it relative to the given situation (machine / material) and wouldn't translate? As an editor, I am curious 1. what camera are you shooting with and software you are editing with. 2. How many hours of footage do you usually start with? 3. Do you edit first, then write your VO, or do you start with the VO and then edit to that? The metal work and the instruction are top notch, but in addition, you do an excellent job in the presentation. I know how much time set up and shooting can take, and machining isn't necessarily fast either way. So... yeah. Thanks.

clickspring

Hey Mike, selecting a lathe is a big step, I have written a little article here that might help: <a href="http://www.clickspringprojects.com/blog/which-lathe-should-i-buy" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">http://www.clickspringprojects.com/blog/which-lathe-should-i-buy</a> Speeds and feeds are something that you will very quickly learn by doing once you get your lathe. Start out with the charts, but before long you'll be able to eyeball chip color, and use your ears to tell if the cutter is happy, and adjust accordingly. And of course brass is a dream - it makes everyone look good at any speed!! I shoot with a Panasonic HC X920, and edit with Adobe Premiere. Footage qty varies with the task - It works out to be about 5 to 10 hours of plan/shoot/edit work per minute of screen time. I shoot what's being made, and usually I'm fortunate that there is more than one of each part required, which gives me one to plan the cuts and shots, and then 2,3,4 etc to actually shoot and get the extra angles and cutaway shots. If its only one part, then I take my time and really plan out the shot - I'm only going to get one chance!! To date I have mostly just shot the action and then written the VO, but the Antikythera and Sundial-Calendar projects are a lot more narrative driven, so I am finding that the dialogue for those must come first. Cheers mate :)

Anonymous

Many thanks Damien Miller for compiling that most useful list.

Anonymous

Sorry.

Anonymous

Sir I'm a!Coniston

Anonymous

Sir I am a machinist by trade and I pay to watch videos that you post. I have yet to see anything worth watching . I loved the clock making series on youtube. No worries but I would like to know when your gonna postry

Anonymous

Post videos worth watching

Iain Deas

as a non machinist who pays to watch these videos i thought it was very worthwhile...seeing as i didn't have the faintest clue how this was done several days ago i'd say it was worth the watch

clickspring

You've been here for 3 days and spent a single dollar James, probably best to quit now while you're not in too deep :)

Anonymous

This is such an amazing video..i have followed you through the clock making series along with all the accessories that went along with it and i am here for this special series.. I am a mechanical engineer and watching your series reminds me how awesome mechanical engineering is..thank you so much. I wish to be successful enough one day to do what you do...thank you for this amazing series and keep up this amazing work.. P.S i am waiting for the Antikythera mechanism series as well.. Please Start that series soon..Looking forward for that..:)

clickspring

Thank you mate, I appreciate your encouragement - I'm working on the next episode of the Antikythera project as I write, it should be up for $3 patrons in a few days and YT 7 days after that :)

Anonymous

Just chiming in to say I love it all sir! Thank you!

Anonymous

So great I was motivated to sign up for Patreon. Thanks!

Anonymous

Thanks Chris, I love chilling out and watching the machining. Great work and keep it up!

Anonymous

Also, where do you get your patience and how can I get some?

Anonymous

I love how Chris thinks that we are building our own "insert project name here" and tries to teach us how to do it. Come on man, we aren't nearly as talented or driven as you! I just watch and enjoy your skill!

Anonymous

hi Chris. i'm starting to get worried about you. hope that you are okey and i'm so exited for your next video :) god bless :)

clickspring

Hey Bergur, yes all good - You can expect a minimum of 2 weeks between videos, usually longer. Occasionally a bit of extra progress detail on twitter: twitter.com/clickspring1

Karl Mansson

This video is what got me here! Very nice approach. There is another way to do this that will give you a constant profile cutter. Approximate (or calculate) the diameter for the tooth profile and use a small endmill that corresponds to it. You can then clamp a square tool steel blank in a vise on a mill and use hand wheels or a DRO to get your spacing. The depth of cut on the sides will be half the tooth thickness and the axial cut will be the tooth height. The angle in which you set up your tool blank in the vise will be the cutter relief. Then it's just a matter of cleaning up your cuts and sharpening the bit flat on a stone! It can be sharpened over and over without losing it's shape. It takes a mill and an extensive set of endmills. But considering the price of a Thornton cutter you might be inclined to get a dedicated endmill for your project. Thanks for great videos!

Anonymous

Hi Chris, many thanks for sharing your knowledge on making fly cutters, and especially for making the tooth profile calculator available. Really appreciated!

Thomas Achilles

You still teaching at tafe or leave that job forever ago?

Lucus Landers

I love the Idea of making a few of these because I need to make a gear using a M0.2 cutter but I am having a hard time finding one. But do you think these will be effective at that size? I'm afraid it will be too delicate at this small size. Any thoughts? Thanks!

clickspring

Hey Lucas, yes I think M0.2 will be too fragile for this sort of cutter. Best to go for a more robust design. A very similar approach can be taken to make a full profile flycutter (or even a multi tooth cutter) and I will be covering that in a future project - If you can't wait, recommend this book for some terrific gear cutter techniques, and general gear knowledge: "Gears and Gear Cutting", Ivan Law: <a href="http://amzn.to/2FKmaUI" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">http://amzn.to/2FKmaUI</a> Cheers mate :)