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The West Wing, Season 3, Episode 16 (Patreon)

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2023-11-15 14:08:51
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Dead Irish Writers

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The West Wing, Season 3, Episode 16

Dead Irish Writers

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Jack

It's interesting, I've always interpreted the LJM double-meaning differently to you. It's possible that the distinction he was trying to convey was the one you inferred: that he was distinguishing between his personal opinion and that of his "boss" (the British government); but I've always inferred from the exact wording he uses again and again ("Brendan McGann cannot come to the White House") that he means that literally, and is drawing a distinction between talking to McGann ("you must talk to him") and hosting him at the White House, with all the symbolism that entails. My interpretation of their conclusion was that the Brits don't mind the US government negotiating with McGann, perhaps even publicly, but don't want to see him honoured.

Jack

As a Brit I would also like to add some history and commentary to the whole Irish thing. Honestly, as LJM said, Ireland is our original sin. We were in the wrong for 99% of the things which happened; admittedly this got a little blurrier in the last few decades of the 20th century, when the UK wasn't actively persecuting Ireland anymore but was subject to terrorist attacks, but if you look back for about 900 years before that it's nothing but British/English persecution of the Irish. There was a lot of direct abuse (for example Oliver Cromwell's conquest of Ireland killed somewhere between 15% and 50% of the native population, plus 50,000 sent to America as indentured labourers - you're welcome), but to me the craziest story is of the "Great Famine" (or "Irish Potato Famine"). Basically the Great Famine was exactly that: several years of crop failure resulting in the death by starvation of 1 million people and the emigration of at least another million. Ireland's population was reduced by around 25%, and the population is *still lower now than it was at the start of the famine in 1845*!! Even Britain's population in 1841 was only 18 million people, about double Ireland's, so Ireland losing 2 million was absolutely vast at the time. It would be the equivalent of the USA losing around 80 million people today. But that's not even the worst of it. The worst is that throughout the ~7 year famine, while 1 million people died in Ireland, every year huge amounts of food *continued to be exported from Ireland to Britain* (which was not in famine). So yeah, anyway, you can see why they were a little cross with us.

Youtalkingtome
>>122821326

I didn't even think of it that way. He does say it repeatedly and in a way that was very strange. That went right over my head.

Youtalkingtome
>>122825335

I don't know a lot about of Irish history. However I do know a little, if it wasn't for the potato famine my family wouldn't have came to America. Obviously no country is perfect, America is guilty of plenty. These are complicated issues and i'm glad this show is addressing so many. They don't shy away and I think it creates an important conversation.