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Hey hey Turbo Patrons!

We're here with the WILD WHIPLASH OF DANDADAN!

This show has A LOT going for it!

Incredible visuals.

Wild super fun sense of humor.

Spooky Sci-fi vibes.

A CRUSHINGLY AWESOME BANGER of an OP.

...... and a really problematic framing of SA scenario to a child?

Oh, DanDaDan, we thought you'd be better than all that.

We've shot Ep 2 and we dig the hell out of it, but we have a long conversation about how to do go fan-service, it's ramifications, and why this show fails as such and unfortunately so, as with so many other indicators, should have a better head on it's shoulders.

Yeah yeah yeah, you can say "....welp Anime gon' Anime." But we basically reject that as a stance and even if a show we REALLY ENJOY THUS FAR has a scene like that, we're gonna pick it apart.

Anyways, A LOT to love about this episode and we're stoked to continue!

 

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xoxo,

The Watchers in the Bar

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Smash Bran'Discootch

Yeah picking apart THAT scene is absolutely valid. It's always a weird situation when you're like, "Stylistically this anime is amazing. But was that necessary?" (you meaning the general you, not you specifically)

Corey

As a manga reader there seems to be a thing where he likes to rip okarun, momo and other characters clothes off, although it doesn't feel super often it is still happening. The current arc we are on in the present they have their clothes off 🙄 Also guarantee this season has clothes coming off again if im remembering correctly from the manga

Corey

Specifically on the misuse of themes with SA I don't think that ever happens again but someone can correct me if im wrong. I want to give the creator the benefit of the doubt that they just didn't handle that scene the best.

SeanTankTop

it's fine to bring in those scenarios with these two characters, but it's for sure something we're side eyeing the fuck out of...

Arvie

Yea I agree, I see the shows intent to like draw the analogy with the ex-boyfriend and have her beat those rapist aliens as a stand in for the rapey attitudes of the guy etc. But I can't say they handled it well, it feels like an unneccessary scene that adds nothing but some shots of a kids breasts for the most part which I can't say I'm a fan of. I do think the show and manga are better than that scene generally and that was an early "mistake" where the mangaka was trying stuff out and getting it wrong. So in the long run I don't hold it against it but it is unfortunate that we have to start off on this.

Corey

Yeah, like there are story reasons for it, but feels like the mangaka didn't know how to handle it the best. I actually stopped reading it originally because of this first chapter and then i was told that stuff goes away so eventually continued to read and was happy i did. Its such a good manga and it seems like he didn't make that mistake again.

VinnyAhhh

FYI this isn't a "Netflix Anime" (as in, Netflix is a distributor but wasn't involved in the production) it's also being streamed on Crunchyroll and Hulu so it makes more sense that its being released week-to-week instead of all at once.

space colon

There’s a lot of manga that have a great premise but I can’t read/watch because of this kinda shit I like the idea of a boy and girl each facing unique sexual trauma and overcoming it together to grow up. If something like that was handled with nuance and discretion and maturity it could be very moving, feel like there’s even a world where you could include some of the alien and ghost stuff. Just don’t wanna see children forcibly stripped and sexualised… plz listen Japan 🥲

Kiki Varas

This is random but I noticed you guys were watching the English dub. I would recommend to check out the original Japanese version with sub. But I understand if you can’t, I watched both the sub and the dub but I think the sub voice acting is better.

SeanTankTop

we're going back to the sub. also, because our subtitles don't match the actual ones.

Zack

It makes a lot more sense when you read Fire Punch, which the author was an assistant for.

Smash Bran'Discootch

Mushoku Tensei was suuuuuuuper difficult for me to get through. Like...the story and the character arcs are worth it but...goddammit, you know?

Jacob

It’s funny you said you heard the series was similar in humor to chainsaw man. The creator was an assistant to the creator of chainsaw man.

espresso_shot

Yeah, I agree with your thoughts on that scene. It felt so oddly aggressive compared to the rest of the show that it halted the 'fun-weird-zany' vibes that the earlier scenes built up. The way the character was restrained and clothed would probably/maybe be okay on its own (aliens take off clothes to operate/experiment on people or whatever, I can buy that), but having that mixed with the mind-control and forceful grabbing just killed the vibes. It just felt super unnecessary and didn't add anything to the character.

Tim Chaos

Glad you guys are checking it out! Also, agreed 100% on the discussion. Morgan’s right, anime loooves to do the thing where it’s like, “this guy is leering at a girl! What a pervert! Anyway here’s the close up-shot of that girl”. Also, Sean mirrored my thoughts on the scene with Turbo Granny: it works because it’s silly and we don’t see her like unzipping his pants and stuff, but the scene with the aliens feels too real with the guys forcing her legs open and ripping her clothes off. Fan service is such a weird concept. At best it’s jarring and at worst it actively detracts from what the anime is trying to do. I wonder how much of it is the author just being a perv and how much is them trying to appeal to the anime meta or whatever? Not an excuse of course but I could easily imagine editors demanding more tiddies for the readers n such, especially since it’s disproportionately prevalent in the first episode of shows

Zack

Something to keep in mind is that, while they still rip her clothes off in the manga they don't spend nearly as much time inspecting all the different angles of her body in it. Like when she gains her powers it doesn't focus on her stomach and panties at all. I think for the animation they need to find ways to fill the space between frames and they don't always know what to do. Another thing I heard was that the author was having difficulty in getting a shounen with a girl mc accepted, so maybe some concessions were made to make it more marketable.

Lurkingposter

Yep, everyone hates that scene.

Carlos De la Luz

I wanna give fire punch a chance again eventually but man those first 2 chapters (especially ch 2) were too much for me at the time.

jin's scream in dionysus

Glad you had this discussion! I hate the stance that a LOT of anime fans take by dismissing it and going well its anime! When i watched the early release of this in cinema it really shocked me as i didnt expect it and i had to leave to take a breather honestly. I did go bsck in to watch it but it did really put me off. Fun show and premise otherwise but unfortunately with the shonen genre they love to insert crap like this and brush it off which is why as i got older i started getting less and less into it

Keith Redacted

I am SO Happy the people on here are agreeing with your criticisms and are not just die hard anime fans who excuse everything. Just goes to show this a really good anime to get such cool fans into it.