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THE SUS PRISON??!! | Mushoku Tensei Episode 14 | New Anime Fan! | REACTION (Patreon)

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THINGS TAKE A STRANGE TURN!!!

Here is the FULL PATREON EXCLUSIVE reaction to Mushoku Tensei Episode 14!!

Enjoy!!

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azope

You only watch good or great isekai a lot of isekai are less good and you still have a lot of good isekai to seen becaus a least one good isekai is out by year but in same time 4 to 8 average isekai is out too and even if it average people start to have a overdose of it

Emilis2023

I'm sure someone already said it, but just in case not... In the previous episode Roxy was told the mages name was Ruijerd, not Rudy. They had kind of set that up prior to that when someone at the dock called him the wrong name. He's been working hard to spread Ruijerd's reputation as a good guy and it's got people mixed up and not knowing his name.

_TKD_

What you need to understand here is that Rudeus isn't all powerful, he has a lot of mana, and he knows some high tier magic, but he's very inexperienced in combat and he's terrible at close combat altogether. He isn't confident that he can go into a battle where there is a strong opponent with hostages, and come out with all the hostages, whatever allies he has, and himself alive.

Some0neElse

imo this punishment should have triggered some ptsd in Rudy as thats essentially what was done to him in his previous life - stripped naked in public and tied

REY
>>117676031

Exactly he has potential, but his actual battle strength is not as insane yet

Reennji

I would prefer High School DxD not to win. It's at least three seasons long, and its main highlight is the Ecchi genre. There are many other series for Patreon like: Goblin Slayer Elfen Lied Bocchi the Rock! Vivy Shokugeki no Souma* Even if you want something Ecchi but shorter, it could be: Monster Musume Prison School Edited: I made a mistake with Shokugeki no Souma, it could fall into the ecchi category, but it has many seasons.

Hashiram

I mean, the Isekai which you watched are the best and most popular isekai out of HUNDREDS of Isekai which all came out right after Sword art Online. And A LOT are really similar with just a small tropes changed, while also going full dive into stereotypes. As someone who watches anime for nearly 2 decades i just sigh whenever a BRANDNEW totally not copied and not ripped off Isekai comes out. Basically Konosuba and Eminence in Shadow are Literally parodies of Isekai which is WHY they are so popular (especially amongst anime veterans) and i especially loved Eminence. I do think that you watched it a little too soon, but glad you enjoyed it anyways. Cant wait to see your Rezero reactions.

BornOfOsiris

You cannot forget to watch Eris the Goblin Slayer OVA after S1. It is necessary canon and is referenced in S2

Hinokaga

The dudes cool rudi has always been the problem lol

BornOfOsiris
>>117676031

And he really doesnt want to die again. He likes this world and would rather sit on the sidelines than risk his life. Currently at least

Joku Jussi

The reason for isekai hate is that 90-99% of the isekai genre is half-baked shit shows. We are feeding you the best 1-10%. There's about 2-5 new isekai shows every season and they usually just last one season and never continue because they are just bad. But as a isekai junkie I watch almost every show and I can tell all of the above is true. That being said. Mushoku tensei is the top 1 in my list because it's so raw, well animated, world building is great and it actually continued after season 1.

haru

In regards to people hating on isekai, you have to understand that people so far have recommended you the GOOD isekai. For every good/unique isekai, there are 10 that are bland/cookie cutter that are low quality. People are just burnt out on the genre, so when they see a new one coming out they just assume it will be bad. A good isekai is the exception, not the rule at this point.

Krusigx

Rudy has been going around saying he is Rudijerd to spred the good word of superds. so Roxy didint say Rudy but Rudijerd, thats the reason she didint go look for him.

Taiga

The thing is, the Isekais you've watched/you're watching, are like the Cherry on top of the Cake. Maybe there's one or two more good isekais, but the rest isn't worth watching - they're mostly for the times when you have nothing to do in your free time. But after watching the good isekais, you'd better change your Patreon anime slot to some other genres.

Kamil Butala

Overlord is prety damn dark and fckd up stuff happens there but it still has comedy in it

Matt

There are 3 Sword styles in this world- North God, Water God and Sword God style. There are 7 ranks for each of them - Beginner, Intermediate, Advanced, Saint, King, Emperor, God. Gallus is Saint ranked in North God Style. Ghislaine is a Sword King so she is King ranked in Sword God style, so Gallus is a rank below her in a different technique. Rudy for instance is a Saint tier Water Mage, but is not good in combat situations. Mages in this world do not match up well with Swordsmen in close quarters combat, which is why Paul wanted Rudy to learn the sword so badly.

Martin Dvořák
>>117676321

food wars isn't really short either with 4 seasons (not counting the fifth, that was kinda meh)

Martin Dvořák
>>117676624

I prefer slime honestly, I like the spin on the reincarnated char being weak, as rimuru is very op from the get-go

Some0neElse
>>117676953

most of the dark and disturbing stuff from Overlord is surprisingly left out of the anime and are at most suggested. The LN however gets very brutal at times describing what each of the characters are doing

Binbou

Luke, people hate isekai because its the easiest to write and easiest to turn into crap. Theres like 5-10 isekai every season, and you've only seen 5 like you say, which have been cherry picked by audience to get you to watch the ones that are good. There are some *trash* isekai out there, and most are very mid, and have the same near identical plots. It's like the most cookie cutter anime you can make. And I watch most of them because I just watch most anime as it is.

Arctic

for serious Isekai look to Re:zero and Overlord. Both have a darker tone with less cheeky. I cant wait for FMAB to conclude and Re:zero to start. You'll love it.

Anonymous

I would love to say the opposite Luke, but what you are seeing are the best isekai, 90% of them are repetitive and of poor quality. Until now you are seeing the best there is, you have few good isekai left (Re zero, Gate, SAO (first season), Long horizon, isekai ojisan, Drifters and Overlord. The others have a very below average.

BRUNO Marques

You have made some very accurate points about wats happening with Rudy and some of the characters. You just don't know the bigger picture. Yet. In term so of sword fighting, there are 3 major schools. Sword - instant kill, Water - perfect defence, and North - adaptability and versatility. Saints are a step above advanced swordsmen and have learnt the schools signature skill. Then you have Kings > Emperors > God ranks. King/Emperor ranks are sometimes interchangeable in terms of pure power depending on the school/type/individual match up. Eris is not saint level.

Coping McCoperson

North Saint is one level below King, Ghislaine is a sword king which is a different discipline but he is not too much lower than Ghislaine level by that

Reennji
>>117676321

I know, but it's much more than just ecchi. But you're right, it has many seasons.

Sean Mcguinness

Yeah, there are some great Isekai to be sure but a 99% of the genre is total cash-grab same-old trope filled garbage, so in general the genre gets a bad rap. It's a bit like the rom-com of the anime world, some amazing gems in the genre to be sure, but there is also a lot of same-old horseshit!

brotato 96

I get why one would expect rudeus to have a character development arc and become the hero who saves the day. That's the theme of most stories out there. But Mushoku tensei is different. You see that rudeus is not the hero of this world, neither is he trying to be one. He is just trying to experience a life that he completely wasted before. What we are watching is a story from his perspective. I think that somewhere inside rudeus did want to fight, but right now he is not yet ready, he could not gather enough courage and was convincing himself to back out. Somehow the situation made him fight anyway. Its just like his previous life where he was comfortable being a shut in instead of facing the world again. We still have to see him grow a lot more.

Keith Merrington

Rudy's hesitation is completely understandable. He was held prisoner by these people and he's now expected to risk his life to save them? No sane person would do so without some hesitation. Rudy is a realistic MC in this world, not some overpowered hero type.

Gai Valentine

The reason people shit on the Isekai genre is because it’s very over saturated with bland and generic trash that’s no different from the 20 others that come out along side it every season. Luckily your audience has curated some of the best that the genre has to offer for you.

Grant Beaudette

The key is to not have been inundated with isekai (most of them generic and boring) for the past 10 years.

Luke

I'm gonna dissapoint you right now... rudy is never gonna rise to the occasion

J van Weerden

If you are looking for a more serious isekai I would recommend the rising of the shield hero. It starts of incredibly serious and imo one of the best isekai's but admittedly, season 2 has a large drop off in quality (both animation as story) which makes most people regard it as average isekai trash. Unfortunately they have a solid argument there regarding season 2

nik

So people who say Oshi no ko is not an Isekai is because Isekai literally translates to "In Another World." So, basically a lot of Isekai can have people dying and reincarnating into another world but that's not the only method. Basically, Reincarnation can be an Isekai but an Isekai doesn't need to be Reincarnation. Cuz an Isekai is just the main character going to another world. Whether that's by teleporting or summoning or reincarnating or any method at all. Also there's a lot of darker Isekais which if you're interested, you can get into. Stuff like Overlord and Re:Zero are hella dark but Re:Zero has a good way of balancing light heartiness and hella dark scenes fabulously. Overlord is mostly dark but they have some comedic scenes and such. Pretty nice balance for Overlord too. Honestly, there's not a lot of actually good Isekai anime, most of it is terrible, but the Isekai genre is very promising, so when an actual good author decides to do an Isekai, it has the potential of being very good. Isekais similar to Re:Zero are examples of the Isekai genre being treated very well.

Vladilena Milize

Re;Zero is a rather serious Isekai

Link

In case you didn't pick up on it the two beast people near the end was on their backs saying they'll accept their punishment because animals showing submission roll over to display their sensitive belly.

Frentzy

lucky luke :'(. he doesn't understand that every 3 months we get 5-6 isekai shows with characters that have 1D personality. (For example a girl that is present for 50% of the show that all she wants and say is 'carrots', and there is zero character development in those 5-6 shows for any characters, including the MC) He only gets to watch the cool isekai q_q, not the painful to watch power point slide fighting animation ones.

Crunchy Potato

So far, you've only watched the good isekais. Every season, we get about 10 forgettable cash grabs in an already overly saturated market. Not that isekais are bad, it's just that they're the easiest for studios to produce without much thought of writing and quality since there are so many people that consume them. So excited for re: zero tho. When anyone says "dark isekai," it's always the one that comes to mind.

Frentzy
>>117681275

there is about 20-30 cash grabs, and 4-6 are isekai out of those. Every season has around 50 shows, Which I bet you watch around "15' then select 2-4 out of those 15, ignoring the rest 35. If u watch those 35 then you might add more to your '10' number.

Ricko Andrew

Isekai literally mean another world, so Oshi no Ko isn't isekai

Gabriel Pires
>>117677861

Overlord is less cheeky? Albedo is probably cheekier than any Mushoku Tensei character (except for Elinalise), she'd bang Ains every day if she could

FullHeart

Saint is crazy strong btw - morality aside, Rudy was probably making a smart decision to not fight. The rankings are Elementary > Intermediate > Advanced > Saint > King > Emperor > God, and most people dont get past "Advanced". Rudy's dad who is considered a really strong fighter for instance is considered "advanced" in all sword styles, and could probably go for saint if he wasnt so lazy. Ghislaine is King ranked and those are EXTREMELY rare. But yeah the fact that even with backup Rudy got a dagger in his leg before beating the guy, he was somewhat lucky.

Muligan Shinzuo

Isekai is a nice concept but most shows dont use the potential. It mostly desolves into OP character ,with some harem of cute girls, going to rescue the world. In terms of serious Isekai, Re:Zero is one of the more dark isekais but only if you take a bit of time to understand what the main char has to go through. Similar in this isekai with rudi, you wish he would rise to the ocation. He is a normal dude that you just want to go murdering without a care in the world or fight whoever but he is scared and uncomfortable with the idea of hurting others. You have to understand that if you engage in a fight it can end in your own death as well and he is not overpowered like other MCs.

Suraj ayinde

Rudy is a support type, there's nothing he could've done it that situation, when everyone rushed in, he would've hurt them too, they've also never worked together and had no time to strategist a plan against this enemy, they also didn't know the strength level of the enemy too and underestimated him. Rudy is also not the type to risk his life for matters that doesn't concern him, unless if it brings his great benefit or puts his mind at ease (not wanting to feel responsible for what happened knowing he could've changed it).

Reennji

All the Isekai you've watched are different because we've recommended them to you, but when you've been watching Isekai for more than 10 years, season after season, one copying the other, with plots that seem like they were created by a 16-year-old, you end up getting tired. To give you an idea, Japanese publishers stopped receiving Isekai novels because of the sheer number of similar stories and the reception from the audience. This will be reflected in anime in a couple of years, and when it does, the number of Isekai released each year will decrease considerably, since most of them are adaptations of light novels.

Leonard

Listen.Rudy likes to blend in and not cause trouble. He has a very hard time with killing people and wants to avoid confrontation. Would most people draw a pistol on a criminal with an AR and a hostage?

Cédric Michaud

27:11 Fitz-senpai, Ariel and Luke! I mean the Luke in Mushoku Tensei.

Pandawan

20:40 - Rudy really underestimates himself sometimes. I feel like Rudy is hesitant to take an action sometimes because when he did in his previous life he got bullied (if that situation was the starter, dont remember completely) and think because of that he got PTSD and mental block which causes him to overthink his opponent's power, but thats just what I think and it doesn't apply in every sitution he is in.

KeanuofRivia

Keep in mind Luke that we're only recommending the GOOD Isekai to you. Isekai is currently the most over saturated genre in anime and as such there is A LOT of garbage. Also original ideas r getting hard to come by as overdone as it is so there's a lot of really dumb gimmicks in them.

azope
>>117676624

To be fair most of the bad isekai anime have avererage or good ln as origine

syaimaral

I think how Rudeus acted is how most people would act under pressure. Rudeus is strong...but slow. He is a mage and not a close quarter fighter. Even though he has had some sword/physical training, he is like novice level. By the time, he fires off a magic shot, he would have been cut down. It's like that dilemma if a physical buff strong dude slaps your girl's ass in front of you, what do you do? You know that guy can kick your ass and potentially kill you. You know you got to say something and protect your girl. That mental dilemma in your head causes inaction. Another scenario is if you got robbed and they have weapons/more people/physically stronger and you have people to protect like either yourself or family. The point is will you go into a fight knowing you will lose unless you are forced to do so? That is what I see Rudeus fighting against. The isekai thing. It's a sub genre. Throughout anime history there are very apparent sub genres that dominated certain periods. When I first started watching anime, we had the super strong confident protagonists. Then it 180 to weak pathetic protagonists. Now we switched back to the strong protagonists. Rudeus is a bit in between. If there is an over saturation of something and it becomes popular, the "cool" thing is to hate on it.

Drakemark

As I mentioned at YT , you should watch Grimgar of Fantasy and ash. It's So raw, more "realistic in a way

GTB

Just to say that ep 13-14-15 are a bit of a low point. They're good, we learn some interesting things, but they're a little less intense, a little less thematically heavy. It's always good to have variations of pace in a narrative to breathe a little (this is the case here at Doldia)....especially when you know what's coming next. Ep 16 is a heavy one. About the Isekais...be aware that you're watching the best ones. There are a TON of Isekai and many, MANY are very similar, and not good at all.

Sebastian Stróż
>>117688494

As much as I love Grimgar... Just thinking about all the comment "slow=bad" just makes me unexcited about it ;/

Macatony

You have to keep in mind that Rudy has lived an entire life being bullied and feeling unconfident. Mushoku Tensei isn't an action story but its a drama. You can wish for action, but in the end, what's important is the journey Rudy takes to get back his confidence and become a different person, not having to live with regrets.

Chailles

For context on the strength, the North Saint is pretty strong (North referring to a style of fighting devised by someone knows as the North God). Eris is Advanced, 1 tier below Saint. Ghislaine is King, 1 tier above Saint. Ruijerd, I think is like probably 1 tier above Ghislaine maybe. Or like 0.5 tiers. Stronger, but not overwhelmingly stronger. Just as an estimate.

Ultraporing

Here Luke, u ask and you shall receive: "I'm Standing on a Million Lives Makes It All Seem Like a Game" try this isekai on for size. it takes a dark turn, real quick and think it was pretty serious. Non Isekai but also a classic with some movies too: "Gantz" is about a group of ppl hunting and trying to kill dangerous "visitors" for points. With the goal to survive and buy freedom when they collected enough points. Its set in modern day. Tends to be pretty gory. But has a unique concept and great anime/movies. Rated 18+ afaik and Wikipedia lists the genres as: Action, Psychological horror, Psychological thriller, Science fiction.

JOSHUA A STERRETT

On the subject of isekai, I'll remind you that you've only really been exposed to recommendations, which include some of the best of the genre. However, at least a half dozen isekai have been put out every year for the last few years (sometimes several dozen). Most of them are much lower quality, and most of them are extremely formulaic. That said, people are too quick to dismiss isekai as a whole. After all, there are plenty of gems. The complaints about the isekai genre are legitimate, but there are exceptions to every rule. Try watching "In Another World With My Smartphone" (actually, please don't for your sake) and you'll see what everyone's talking about.

AngelGxbriel
>>117684008

This was actually the first time I noticed it and I've watched it so many times

Paul

Gyes and the guard were exposing their bellies in submission since they had wronged Rudy(like a dog rolling over). Keep in mind the beast kin have a lot of behavioral and cultural traits tied to the beast part of them. Such as the strongest amongst the pack leads and mates are usually chosen through combat and such.

AngelGxbriel

Oh trust me, if you keep watching isekai, eventually you'll see a pattern, but for now the ones you've seen are all unique, hence why we recommend them as they are the good ones

KawaPedros

Its not about it being isekai. Most isekai are trash, with boring and flat plot. The ones you were recommended and you saw so far are one of the best, probably 1% of all isekai out there. Mushoku Tensei is, as you said, a multi-dimensional rollercoster - there is action, comedy, horniness as well as some dark moments. It also have a proper character development (and most important - not rushed). It has interesting world, in which main character lives, but it is not build around him (as in some modern isekais).

Hitsters
>>117681844

I wouldn't necesserally agree. I may be in the same world (on Earth, at the same time), but he did arrive in another world he shouldn't have stepped on (being his Idol's family and arriving in show biz). Imo, it could count as an isekai.

Berto Strada

I haven't seen anyone suggest The World's Finest Assassin Gets Reincarnated in Another World as an Aristocrat. That was a really good isekai that goes in my top 5 isekai's.

wildhunt1973

I happen to like weird Isekai. While Overlord is truly one of my favorites, my favorite favorite is probably "Skeleton Knight In Another World." It's just so funny, and the OP is the BOMB.

David Stowe

Boy oh boy I can't wait until you finally delve into re:zero

David Stowe

Oh, also, you gotta watch Ya Boy Konming. Reverse isekai with old Chinese historical crossed with modern day pop music.

David.Perez Perez

I don't understand why people hate isekai as well. There are multiple anime about school life and other genre that have similar patterns and tropes as well. Why is it just isekai that gets trashed on?

Izayoi Sakamaki

I actually really like isekai but it is true that they are really repetitive. Especially since there are around 10 new isekai every season. For you every isekai might be unique because we want you to react to anime that we like and not to something that wouldn't be interesting like "Isekai Cheat Magician". That anime is a good example for an isekai with no unique elements.

Jonathan Kinney

I'd recommend to add Kakegurui (a little sus so maybe a good patreon show), Akagi and/or Kaiji to your list of shows to react to. These three are all based on high stakes gambling and are all about mind games, cheating, and crazy tactics/skill. I think you'd enjoy all three! Rudeus's comment about rock paper scissors and crossing steel beams was actually a reference to games that take place in Kaiji.

Sai
>>117676438

I hope you don't count Sword Art Online as Isekai... VRMMO with a full-dive headset while laying in a bed,

Zero2Antihero

For a serious isekai without heavy cheekiness or "my OP skill," you'll need to start looking at shows from 15+ years ago. Stuff like .hack (although .hack itself can be confusing). Mushoku Tensei is an exception for caring about its fantasy world or side characters at all. Even this story was originally published in 2012, so it's nearly a decade older than most other isekai currently being adapted.

Kot Bajun

You want Rudy to “rise to the occasion”, eh? Well… the more you know. This guy died in his previous life trying to save people from a car accident. Remember that? Also, not to spoil it, but you’ll see what happens…

Anonymous

Rudy does not want to fight a north saint in close range is reasonable. Rudy is a mage which generally is not good at close quarters combat but a larger scale group battle or war. Generaly mage is more like powerful artillery that needs protection than a front line fighter.

Techesh

Wait Wait wait, hold up! I have never noticed before that Fitz (and the princess) was present at the execution!!!!!! I swear I notice new details every time I watch this anime!

ArtKi

Ref anime fans hating Isekai. You say you've liked all the Isekai you've seen. But you've seen a carefully curated selection of OUTSTANDING Isekai. (and the best one, Re:Zero, is coming up!) Your fans and patrons are taking good care of you. Every season another 5-15 Isekai series come out and the vast majority of them are crap. REALLY BAD GENERIC REPETITIVE UNINSPIRED CRAP. So, yeah. A lot of anime fans roll their eyes every time they notice a new Isekai series. Oh, you haven't seen a serious, DARK Isekai huh? HA HA HA HA HA HA HA. You Are Not Ready For What's Coming Up!

ArtKi
>>117699964

I look forward to 90 seconds (or more) of open mouth silence as the credits roll on that certain episode.

ArtKi
>>117680703

I loved Shield Hero and can barely remember anything that happened in s2.

Crunchy Potato
>>117681275

Bro, I don't calculate everything I watch every year. I just pulled "10" outta my ass.

ShonTheRabbit

are ya gonna react to the OVA episode that came out after season 1? it fits in between some of the upcoming episodes of season 1 chronologicaly, sadly i cant recal the numbers of the episodes when it happens but if u mention it in a reaction someone might be able to tell you exactly

The Luminary

I feel like one of the main reasons he doesnt just make the first move and tends to just think about things rather than straight up fighting is bc in a 1 on 1 in close combat sword beats magic, if he made the first move he could have either hurt the beast girl, or got himself killed. Mages kinda serve a backline supportive role

Tommy Jensen

If you want your dark isekai, check out Re:Zero. But I also know it's in your future watch list, so looking forward to see what you say about that one.

BanTheUndead

I think its a realistic character that he keeps failing to make hard decisions, in his past life he stopped making any decisions and in this one he's like 12 and afraid that he can't compete strength wise, he's powerful for his age but he isn't POWERFUL by any means.

Felipe
>>117710442

Re:zero doesn't even come close in quality to mushoku. It does have a unique psychological aspect to it, but the world is very shallow with some cool monster designs, but that is it and I have a feeling he is not going to like the main character if he thinks rudeus takes a long time to get stronger. Overlord is going to be the real champion here for sure.

FraaD

Be patience Luke about Rudy ,did you forget what life before Rudy come to this world ,It is not easy to change someone's habits/characteristics that have been done for more than 20 years in the previous life Enjoy Rudy's character development slowly but surely

DOCTORMAN

To answer your question on what Rudy was writing on the wall of the cell they are basically the Japanese version of tally marks so yeh he was just counting days

Keith Merrington
>>117680897

Re:Zero - The initial summoning bit is rather silly, and it's a shame the MC gets so whiny and self pitying at times. Overall though it's my second favorite isekai (first being MT of course).

Keith Merrington
>>117710442

Oh boy - Emelia vs Rem? Rem every time! Emilia is such a 2D non-entity throughout most of the story.

Keith Merrington
>>117710918

Episodes 16 and 17 should be watched consecutively. The OVA overlaps with E16 but IMO is best watched after E17 (so as not to spoil the flow of 16->17, but not so long after that, that the context of the OVA is forgotten).

Keith Merrington

For the remaining 5 weeks of MT, I recommend the following... E15 + E16 E17 + OVA E18 + E19 E20 + E21 (Turning point 2) E22 + E23 This puts the OVA (which has important info for season 2) close to where it takes place, without interfering with the important flow from E16->E17. It also puts Turning point 2 in a position that gives the viewer a good while to absorb it.

Aliziel
>>117710918

The Ova should take place in the next 2 episodes.. it wont spoil any of the 2 so he could just watch it before, after or in between those two episodes.. it happen as soon as they reach the next town stop after beast village and scout the town separately.

Aliziel

can you please watch the first OVA along with episode 15 on Friday? its actually canon its just that it follows Eris' own adventure so they made it an OVA its titled "Eris no Goblin Toubatsu" or "Eris the Goblin Slayer"

Keith Merrington
>>117721451

The OVA starts part way through E16. If Luke watches it with E15 then he won't know where Eris is. Better to wait until after E17.

JQ

I love you watching this but no dub makes it hard for me. Love to watch your videos while running :(

Chrono 1002 (edited)

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2023-09-17 18:28:39 Personally I don't mind isekai as long as it's good, but the problem is that most people have seen dozens of the generic, trash ones, not just a few of the good ones. A lot of them follow the same pattern without adding anything worthwhile or deeper meaning to it. Because of that people get bored of them or even annoyed as they feel that so many other (better, more unique) anime could have come out, if not for those somehow still popular isekai ones. It reached a point where they don't know what else to do anymore so they reincarnate into even vending machines and hot springs or make the MC's main weapon a tree trunk just to make it even a little bit unique. The last two example are still only manga thankfully. Btw, It's even worse when it comes to manga, as there are hundreds of them not just dozens. Luke only watches the anime that a lot of people recommends - which means that they should be at least decent level - so you probably won't understand this until you start watching just random anime. If you really want to see a bad one, try something like "In Another World with My Smartphone". After that it will make sense.
2023-09-17 16:14:08 Personally I don't mind isekai as long as it's good, but the problem is that most people have seen dozens of the generic, trash ones, not just a few of the good ones. A lot of them follow the same pattern without adding anything worthwhile or deeper meaning to it. Because of that people get bored of them or even annoyed as they feel that so many other (better, more unique) anime could have come out, if not for those somehow still popular isekai ones. It reached a point where they don't know what else to do anymore so they reincarnate into even vending machines and hot springs or make the MC's main weapon a tree trunk just to make it even a little bit unique. The last two example are still only manga thankfully. Btw, It's even worse when it comes to manga, as there are hundreds of them not just dozens. Luke only watches the anime that a lot of people recommends - which means that they should be at least decent level - so you probably won't understand this until you start watching just random anime. If you really want to see a bad one, try something like "In Another World with My Smartphone", "Conception", "Kemono Michi: Rise Up", . After that it will make sense.

Personally I don't mind isekai as long as it's good, but the problem is that most people have seen dozens of the generic, trash ones, not just a few of the good ones. A lot of them follow the same pattern without adding anything worthwhile or deeper meaning to it. Because of that people get bored of them or even annoyed as they feel that so many other (better, more unique) anime could have come out, if not for those somehow still popular isekai ones. It reached a point where they don't know what else to do anymore so they reincarnate into even vending machines and hot springs or make the MC's main weapon a tree trunk just to make it even a little bit unique. The last two example are still only manga thankfully. Btw, It's even worse when it comes to manga, as there are hundreds of them not just dozens. Luke only watches the anime that a lot of people recommends - which means that they should be at least decent level - so you probably won't understand this until you start watching just random anime. If you really want to see a bad one, try something like "In Another World with My Smartphone", "Conception", "Kemono Michi: Rise Up", . After that it will make sense.

Ttsukasa

Love seeing you enjoy Rudeus's growth so much. It's the frustration you get when watching a kid grow up.

Orkidaisy

Please cut Rudy some slack. He's like 11 years old in this current body, and in his mind he is a bullied, broken man who is really scared of confrontation. On top of it he's not good with fights, and understandably he's scared of it (the pain, possibly dying...), which gets him paralyzed. Against a grown man who is used to fighting and is really good with a sword, he's at a serious disadvantage. He's growing leaps and pounds, but some things don't change that easily.

Ttsukasa
>>117699964

i'm SCREAMING AT THE SCREEN "RE:ZERO DUDE RE:ZERO" when he's like " I haven't seen any dark/ serious isekai" He is going to absolutely love it whenever that FINALLY HAPPENS. I hope I live long enough to see it :) lol

Orkidaisy

If you want a dark isekai, then please watch Grimgar: Ashes and Illusions. Brilliant anime, and it's really dark and brutal. It's good that you can see how much variance there is in isekai. The reason why other people trash it is because we get so many isekai shows that most of them end up using the same tropes over and over with only some slight variation. Some are better than others, but after watching well over 50 isekai shows (for some it's a lot more) you definitely see the patterns and get bored even if the shows is otherwise fine. You get recommended the absolute gems in the pack because nobody wants you to see the bad ones. Luckily there are still some absolutely amazing isekais to see (f.ex. the mentioned Grimgar).

Frentzy
>>117734529

he did cut slack to, that was his inner fan fantasy wanna see cool fights mentality

Orkidaisy
>>117734529

I hope that he would remember it in the future, too. It's not the first time he complains about Rudy's actions. Of course he can complain and I understand wanting to see cool things and Rudy to grow, I just hope that he'd remember to reflect on it a little bit more. This is not a power fantasy show.

Aliziel
>>117721451

We get flashbacks sometimes so I think if the ova starts halfway through ep16 he should be able to adjust just fine if he watches 15+OVA next week and 16+17 on the week after. So the events of 16 would still be fresh in his memory while watching 17.

Aliziel
>>117720893

Right there's an important flow from eps16-17 so don't you it's best to put together E15andOVA for nextweek then 16&17 the week after?

Guilherme Vergne

Saint level is strong af for everything, saint (anytype)mage, saint any swordstyle or saint anyrace. Just imagine that the limit for non-legend person is advanced, anything above that is legendary. That said, this dude is stronger than Paul, has about same technic as Eris but as an adult he should won her, but Ghyslaine could easily beat him, i mean really easily.

Hawk of Battle

"He seems a bit weird for massaging a young boy... we're gona overlook that." FINALLY! EDIT; And on calling our Rudy's hesitation there; the other beast dude rushed down a Saint class swordsman (1 class below Ghislaine) who had a hostage. A split second after he threw his hostage at beast guy two others jumped him and got into close combat. After dispatching them both he grabbed his hostage back to continue using her as a shield. At no point in this sequence of events did Rudeus have the time or the opening to unleash an attack that likely wouldn't have killed someone else. Him waiting until the guy had walked further away, had his back turned AND was under attack from the sacred wolf was honestly the first and best opportunity he had to strike with a precise ranged attack that wasn't going to cause massive collateral damage. And you complain about him not rising to the occasion after he'd just turned the entire tide of battle by putting out an entire forest fire and eliminating all the smoke that was clouding up the beast peoples senses. Rudeus already saved a shit ton of lives right there.

Guilherme Vergne

Luke, you have only watched the best ones, every season has 3 or 4 isekais and they are absolute trash (well, i usualy watch all of them, but still trash). At the current season there's an isekai about a dude litteraly reicarnated as a vending machine, dude is a vending fc*king machine and that is NOT even the worst isekai THIS SEASON, now imagine that every year there are about 15 new isekai anime

Strang

The guy did spend his whole last life, 30 something years of it, not standing up to the occasion, quite the opposite infact. This is a story about him being a better human being. It will not be condensed into a time skip, nor will it just happen because protagonist has to be cool. You'll just have to bear with it as Rudeus takes a small step after another. On a second thought, that's propably one of the things that rubs people the wrong way about this anime.

Obscuremango

This is definitely the censored version as the Japanese original we saw one of the beast girls get stabbed through the back by a sword. And fall dead. Ye, it's darker than this by far

EGGY MCNUGGETS

The reason you are enjoying the isekai genre right now is because you're watching the best of the best atm, the reason why people hate isekai is because it's probably the most popular genre out there in terms of quantity, there's slice of life which i find incredibly boring and is probably the most overdone because it all ends the same way, and then you have isekai which all starts the same way. Most of the isekai released are the same anime copy and pasted from another, so if you wanted a good dark one, we'll have to go back to the good ones, such as re:zero which youll be watching soon, and then rising of the shield hero is another very serious one that i think you would really enjoy, first season was one of the best in an isekai for me and was my first isekai i ever watched

Chris Gama
>>117735440

Ah man, Grimgar is like my favorite isekai. Its a heart-breaker for sure, but so beautiful and fairly unique. I wish there was more of it than the one season!

Yevaud06

Serious isekai: Grimgar: Of fantasy and Ash

Anonymous

If you think that Mushoku Tensei isn't serious enough, then the only serious isekai I can think of is Re Zero

Oneven

Ascendance of a Bookworm is very serious, but also much sweeter.

Keith Merrington
>>117720893

@Aliziel - but the OVA location doesn't make sense until E16. The other option is to just have the OVA at the very end of S1, but then it feels well out of place.

Nathan Seminchuk
>>117785892

Unfortunately it's also not very well known(at least when it comes to reactors) which is too bad since in terms of character/world building it's near the top. Top 3 isekai for me.

Shousuke

You gotta remember that Rudeus isn't a front line fighter like Ruijerd and Ghislaine. He is very powerful but he's stupid broken strong. And even if he can see a couple seconds into the future with his eye it doesn't mean that his body can keep up. He really needs a front liner to take aggro so he can do his backline mage stuff Also Re Zero has it's light hearted parts but can also get SUPER dark, like way fucking darker than Mushoku Tensei has. Would love to see you react to that one

Mangle54

Rising of shield hero is a serious isekai

yuzu hibiki

I feel that you overestimate mages in this world, Sword users are overwhelmingly more powerful than mages due to not just flexibility but also the fact that mages spells are mostly AOE and rather useless in close combat. Rudeus didn't move is because there really wasn't much he could do there. Quagmire which is the mud pit skill he used isn't gonna help there. and other elemental spells are just gonna hit everyone else. I understand that seeing Rudeus have a not my business attitude might seems off, but in reality that how most people are especially in our own world. That just gets carried over as a char especially when he was bullied so horribly for standing up for other in his past life.

yuzu hibiki
>>117869104

Also to add, That guy was a sword saint. Sword saint is even stronger than Paul who is only an Advanced but just below Ghislane who is Sword king. Basically the chart, write it down and paste somewhere if you can't rmb Weakest to strongest. Beginner intermediate Advanced Saint King Emperor God don't confuse Sword god with Sword god style, One is a title, the other is a form

Trey
>>117869104

Gallus is a North Saint, so he practices north god style. Also Paul is advanced in all three styles, so in a fight id put my money on Paul lol. Unless of course you were just talking in terms of rankings in which case disregard my opinion.

yuzu hibiki
>>117869104

True. Spoiler here> . . . . but Rudeus did say Paul was on par with a sword saint in the teleport labyrinth/ saint rank overall. Still way weaker than Ghislaine thou

nicolassngf

When you have watched all the good isekais (that are maybe 15-20) you will find out that all the rest with some exceptions are a copy-paste

Robert Franklin
>>117779491

Yeah, Re:Zero is the darkest of the dark Isekai. His reaction will be epic for this one!

Darian Torres

I think Rising of the Shield Hero is a serious isekai , hope you get a chance to watch it

cheera
>>118166411

Seriously bad after the first half of season 1.

Hououin Kyouma

Isekai is like junk food you buy from McDonalds. Really low effort food that are made quickly. But every once in a while an isekai that comes out that are well made like food from a well recommended restaurant. The reason you liked the isekai you were watching was well recommended restaurant food , but there are thousands and thousands isekai out there that taste like junk food.

Somedude Watchintv

There are 7 ranks and Saint is the 4 this guy was 1 step below Ghislaine. Also in general the melee fighters can beat a mage 1 on 1 if they are the same rank. Gallup was a Saint rank fighter and Rudeus was a Saint Rank mage. Until the dog turned up he was set for a straight loss.

Somedude Watchintv

As for Isekai they are generally pretty bad. They don't go into the past life all that often except to explain skill set. Character writing tends to be weak, and most often it's just a shallow power fantasy where the main character quickly becomes a god in power and a king in political connections without much effort. That's why for me Mushoku Tensei was such a breath of fresh air. Learning it was old only made the dozens of mediocre isekai worse in retrospect because I knew where they came from.

Rugo

There is a good reason why Isekai in general is hated because they are all mostly the same, but their are some out there that are genuinly pretty good, and all the ones you have watch right now have been some of them, so thats why you don't have a bad perception of them, but most besides those are awful

Szadek96

Rudeus may technically be casting Saint level spells and lower, but his mana output and total reserve makes them hit MUCH harder than standard Saint level mages.

Rimuru Tempest
>>119234849

I mean you can say that about any genre, they've all got cliches that are predictable.

RudeusGrey4t
>>119234849

I suppose the difference between this genre and others is that the isekai genre became a big thing more because of it cliches rather than in spite of them. With Sword Art Online being the main origin point building off of the escapist fantasy cliches of the harem genre that were already growing outdated, it's understandable why a lot of people just automatically expect isekai to be bad. Basically a lot of the cliches of isekai are older than the genre itself, so we value isekai series that break out of that pattern to do new things with the concept.

killilu

you gotta remember that the person inside rudy is fr a bich lmao its a love hate relationship

Kyle Garrett

I think Rudy's slow progression makes sense. He's had some teaching, but he's now basically just trying to learn magic himself, and as we learned earlier there's barely anyone at King level magic, let alone higher tiers, so there's not going to be a ton of literature out there readily available to teach himself stronger magic. Also keep in mind that Saint magic causes huge area effects, so it's kind of hard to practice that in a village, let alone trying to learn even stronger magic. On a meta level the series is also a slow burn with a focus on his journey with his companions. He's a prodigy and has a lot of potential, but if he easily grew and developed to an OP state then you'd face the classic problem a lot of series have where the MC is way stronger than his companions, to the point you wonder why the MC even needs them. So I think the choice to keep Rudy weaker is a smart one.

Visoth

I always found it weird that the Anime portrayed the ending of this fight as "Rudeus falling unconscious and waking up later". It's just very shonen-cliche. "The protagonist, after putting everything he had into one final attack, finally won and fell into a deep sleep from exhaustion, only to wake up with everything settled in a nice little bow." In actuality, Rudeus did not fall unconscious or anything of the sort. He got stabbed in the leg, but was otherwise fine in the Light Novel. He's got near limitless mana, so it wasn't mana exhaustion either. There is really no explanation other than "maybe the dagger was poisoned". But even that had nothing to back that up as being the case, and most certainly wasn't like that in the Light Novel. I guess they wanted to cut out everything that happened after the fight (including some funny comedy with the Sacred Beast) and couldn't find a way to segway into when Eris & Ruijerd caught up with Rudeus.

yorozuyapetel

until the rise of isekai, the anime juggernaut was mecha anime, the genre's been barren in recent years but it was everywhere back from the start of anime to the 2000's-2010's. isekai has a couple really good shows, but every season there's at least 5 new isekai, of which every now and then theres a good one mixed in. though it makes complete sense from your perspective, it couldnt be more wrong.

jdoggivjc

Just being honest, sometimes I get a bit frustrated with Luke's lack of understanding of the "rock/paper/scissors" nature in regards to combat and wanting Rudy to "step up" in a fight, especially when fighting swordsmen. He can't - unless it's a weak swordsman, in a 1-v-1 fight he'd lose 10 out of 10 times against that swordsman, that's how disadvantaged mages are to swordsmen. And the guy isn't even fighting in Sword God style (which I suspect was the school Paul was training him, and definitely Ghislaine as she's ranked King in the Sword God style), but North God style, which is a highly unusual sword style known for unexpected and unconventional attacks. Literally the only worse matchup were if the guy were fighting in Water God style, which then he'd be able to straight up counter Rudeus' spells. And it's not as simple as Rudy picking up a sword and fighting with that. Yes, he's competent in Sword God style, but he'll never rank higher than beginner (even if Ghislaine ranks him as intermediate) for reasons I'm not sure are spoiler at this point or are even covered properly in the anime. Bottom line - if Rudy tries to take on this guy solo he's dead - and we saw him getting his ass kicked until the Sacred Beast and Geese stepped in, giving him time to fire off his spell.