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Hi, everyone.

In an attempt to improve our community, I want your oppinion about my current Patreon structure.

I want to create an exclusive place for Trap Enthusiasts. This way, those who have a $10 pledge or higher won't be forced to see content they don't want.

Yeah, I know the problem with this model: How about the higher tier patrons who WANT to access trap content?

That's what we are here for. To discuss something that turn out good for everyone. 

My idea is to move my Trap Fanbase to a brand new Patreon page with a cheaper tier of $5. If they want to keep acces to non trap stuff they will have to be patrons on both. I know that at the end of the day, those who chose to hold 2 accounts would pay $10 instead of the current $7, but they will have a place customised and all dedicated to trap content with more updates and so as this new model will push me creating more trap content.

The $10 supporters who want to keep acces to trap content will have to spend $15 as they'll have to join both patrons as well, but remember, this extra $ will be converted in more content for trap fans.

My other idea is to just swap places between $7 and $10 tier. "Movie Maker" contributors (now paying $7) who don't want to see trap content won't have access anymore to "It's a Trap" tier (now paying $10) but this may cause a decrease on my income as some trap fans may not want to spend more money for a content they already had, cause if my income decreases or stays the same in the exchange, I'll be powerless to create more trap themed illustrations.

 Anyway, I want to know your thoughts and if you have any other ideas regarding this subject. 

Thank you so much for your attention.

Comments

Anonymous

Is it possible to create multiple tiers at the same monetary level? So there's a Movie Maker - Trap tier, and a Movie Maker - Not Trap tier. I hate traps, but I love futas/dickgirls, so I'm trap-enabled just for the futas. If I had to pay even more money for "trap content", knowing the majority of it would be stuff I don't actually like, I probably wouldn't do it.

Anonymous

I love your traps, but I'm also very happy to see other stuff. Please don't change anything that doesn't necessarily need to be changed, but just makes everything more complicated. Thanks! ❤️

teku

The second idea I came up with was putting the trap tier on top of all others, this way none patrons below this tierd would get access to it. Create tiers at the same prices won't change anything as upper tiers would still gett acces to the tiers below or at the same price rate, plus all the side effects mentioned on the post.

Jim

I don't like traps or futas so having another patron for those would be good. I realize you're only talking about traps at this point but I wouldn't mind having futas included with them!

Anonymous

I don't hate the idea of the two pages being entirely split, especially if it does lead to more Trap content (which hopefully would actually happen). Maybe you could have certain bits of art that are shared between both pages though, just to keep everyone happy? I'm thinking especially things that have both trap and non-trap versions should probably have ALL versions posted on BOTH pages, at least as DL links.

Henry Wong

I dknt like the idea of the content being split between two pages. It forces fans of a particular artist to have to shell out more to see all the content for one artist as opposed to having it all together.

Anonymous

I love having both! Sissies and traps are my favorite! I’d say make another I’m willing to do the extra five but it’s up to you, I’ll stay following wherever your trap content goes :)

Anonymous

I don’t currently understand the issue. Those that do not like trap content currently can just ignore those posts. Where those that enjoy it can see everything.

Anonymous

I agree ^^ I also follow a lot of artists who make some content that I don't like (for example huge breasts) and I just ignore it as well x3

RC51_J

I am fine with the idea.my only concerns is that I have seen creators move this type of solution and at some point drop the less lucrative site. I am all for not subjecting everyone to traps but you may loose revenue from people who only want traps. Questions: How many subscribers above the $10 tier want this change. What about an $11 Trap tier?

ERed

If it means more trap content overall, I'm on board. I vote in favor of giving trap content its own page.

Anonymous

I don't mind 2 pages, but you already upped the price not long ago to seperate trap and non-trap. Doing so again (or even doubling it as you're considering) because of some babies who can't see a penis seems unfair. Don't like it? Ignore it. So I would only be on board if the prices stay (relatively) the same and the content doesn't suffer for it. Otherwise I would like opt out. I think a large part of your fan base is here for your trap content. So I hope the people who are here for it won't have to suffer for this "issue".

Anonymous

Honestly I would like to see a tier that includes everything (Trap, non-trap, movies, etc). Maybe something in the $20-25 range. You are making amazing art, it amazes me that people like you can create phenomenal artwork. Whatever you end up deciding...I’m on board for it.

Anonymous

In my case, I like the trap stuff. I wouldn't mind paying slightly more for slightly more content, but rather not pay more for more stuff I'm not particularly fussed about. i.e. animations, to maintain access. I think you are very good value for money compared with some other artists

Anonymous

Anything for more sexy trap bois on board with any decision.

a lol cat

As a general rule you never want to split up your base. Right now you have 281 MM vs 204 Trap. a 1:1 straight swap of price is going to be a net loss of $231. Now comes the guessing game, do you think that you will pick up an number of some $5 tier moving to $7 to now get the animations? Also how many of the current $10 MM are going to stay at $10 to continue to have access to the Trap. If around 28% of the current MM Patrons also want traps then you are at a break even point, where if 50% stay then you are at a net positive. If you have the stats from when you added the MM tier you could get a better estimate on how much retention at that that level. Going from $7 to $10 wouldn't bother me as long as there was more content.

Ero-Sama

im fine with either. i went up on tier for the reason to get afford to see all of your content. so as long as i can see the straight and trap content its all good.

teku

The $11 could be a solution, I'd double the trap content to make it worth it.

teku

Those are great points to think about. That's the reason I open the question to you, so I can know how you feel about it.

teku

Thanks, Jeffrey for your oppinion. I really understand what you mean. I agree with you but I still got to consider the other point of view. I won't force any of my fans into nothing, I just wanted to know your oppinion on this subject. Thanks.

Shawn

I have an idea: why not link Patreon to a Discord server then attach trap and non-trap content to separate $5 tier rooms? You could also add a $10 trap animation room if chose to work on one such piece. So, you can have $1, $5(2), and $10(2) rooms with whatever other public rooms you want to throw in. If you wanted to, you might be able to invite friends to use your server and share audiences by just having them in the same culture.. Doing this will allow you to share content and be in better touch with fans, paying or otherwise. I haven't slept so it might sound incoherent.

Anonymous

Spliting your fan base it two may cause you to lose both followers, money and free time since you’ll be rushed to put out more trap content on top of what you are already doing. To me, i enjoy both traps and non-traps and i think both kinds of your content are great. Therefore, i think you should just keep the Patreaon as is.

Animeplayer

Is that possible to have two separate pledges on the same account?

Zelrish

I am totally up for 2 different pages.

Developerv

Honestly, this sounds like an issue many content creators and patrons might have on patreon. It would be nice to be able to create separate tiers at the same price, or have default filtering rules (like filter out trap tags). Either way, whatever solution you decide on, try to keep it as simple as possible for your patrons.

Anonymous

I love the trap stuff, and wouldn't want ti have to pay more for it.

Raiken

I like the idea of swapping the 10 and 7 dollar tiers. I have no interest in the trap material and just want to see animations.

Anonymous

Personally im not a fan of either option at all. I love your content, but im not going to be paying for access to two different pages, and charging me more for what im able to see now isnt exactly attractice either. I also dont really see an issue with the way its done now. If you have to do one, switch the tiers.

T.S. Smelliot

Of the two options, I'd say switch the tiers. I really don't like the idea of having to add another pledge/account and paying more 1) when i've only got a limited amount of disposable income I can spend on patreon to begin with and 2) it's for content i'm already recieving

Anonymous

I'd rather see switched tiers than a separate Patreon page. Trap enthusiasts can always browse using tags if they want to filter out other content.

MagneticEntanglement

I love this idea, I dont know if I'm in the minority on this but I do only really wanna see girls and futas(I consider both to be girls). And I like the idea of having a more curated service so I only get what I want. Dude im in total support!

Anonymous

Terrible idea, please do not change anything. How is it such a big deal that patrons on the top tier get extra content which they might "not want to see?". You are an artist that makes all kind of content and your patreon reflects that. Why do you even consider this an issue, do you get many complaints?

Seann1911

I love all of your content and would not mind paying more for it. Either option two, or adding a tier, rather than split your fan base would be the best choice.

HankyPanky

May I suggest a third possibility? How about we leave things as they are as far as access goes, but instead of posting trap pictures directly on your patreon, you merely post links to the pictures. I myself am a big fan of your trap stuff but I wouldn't mind one extra step to see it if this would please those who don't want to see it.

Already.4514

I'm honestly fine with the trap stuff, I don't see why many other people would be that bothered by it. I don't think it's worth trying to split the community. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but does anyone really get bothered by trap content?

RC51_J

Well this thread blew up. TEKU, you have quite a bit of pondering to do.

Don

leave as is, people have choice to click the download button or view the link in the first place.

sollieus

Last time I checked Patreon had a tag system that people could use to filter the posts for stuff they like/don't like, with that being said I'd say keep it the way it is, if it get to be that big a deal then I'd say do the two pages since that will give people a little more freedom and what they want to support.

Anonymous

I wouldnt mind paying for another patreon page if it means more trap content. eiher way all your artwork is amazing TEKU

Anonymous

Great idea. Do it. Hi

Anonymous

You're already full time on your Patreon. So you can't produce more. If you create more trap content you have to take that time from somewhere else. I'm not sure how you would swap things around, but I'm not excited by that idea of 2 Patreons. Maybe that whole specific trap categorie is a trap (hue hue) because it forces you to do specific trap content but not so much so it doesn't take on other categories. You may consider getting rid of the trap categorie, and raise the 5$ to 7$. And sometimes there may be trap content sometime not. Your workflow would be more free and more organic. Also would you consider add more trans in your trap creation?

Anonymous

If the main issue is content separation, then splitting the pages seems like the most obvious way to do this. If you care about being fair, that is, and don't mind losing quite a bunch of people. Splitting your fans is always a net loss, unfortunately. I personally wouldn't mind an $11 trap tier. Problem is, you will probably have some higher-tier patrons at some point who also don't want to see cocks, and there we go again. The most direct approach that I can see is to go bug Patreon for tag-based exceptions for your feed. That way, you can tag traps and people can easily opt out of it. I mean FFS there are already tags, you can filter traps *in*. You just also need a way to filter 'em out.

Gann

I dont get bothered by trap content, I really appreciate your style and everything you do. I think the page should stay the way it is. Just my opinion tho. BRING THE TRAPS :V