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QUEENDOM SEASON 2 EPISODE 9 - REACTION (Patreon)

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QUEENDOM 2 9

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fabrice maire

-first great job everybody all performancewas great . but to me 3 groups really understand the theme of this round and what's QUEENDOM is all about . and these 3 groups are HYOLIN / WJSN / BRAVE GIRLS the best performance of ths round for sure .

fabrice maire

- KEP1ER as i said many time they're my bias group with VIVIZ and as a rookie group they made a great job and despite the pression provide great performance .but they're lack of exeprience , songs and vision put them at the end of the ranking . i just hope than even if they end last of the show they will don't lose they're confidence . i alway's thing than put them on this show was a bad idea and if they lose they're confidence at the end i will be really upset .

fabrice maire

-VIVIZ i'am so sad than they can't show fully how great they are .they're performance are great but something is missing , they didn't have a good creativity they didn't show something really amazing . i'am little bit disappointing but it's because i love them a lot . -LOONA i love butterfly it's they're best song they're trademark song .they well know for they're perfect in sync choréo and for they're dedication but i feel they didn't bring something really new or amazing . no story telling , not to much emotion , nothing really amazing . like they said themself they maybe lack of creativity or imagination for this performance .

fabrice maire

-HYOLIN amazing perf she perfectly understand the thème of this round , the set is so far what is the more close from what we got in RTK and kingdom . she bring set , props , scenery , story telling , guest and a beautiful message she even bring one of her fans who's now one of the best dancer in korea and they're no friends everything is on point . WJSN like hyolin they understand what QUEENDOM is all about they bring choréo , fire vocals , set , props ,they even fly all around the stage , they learn a new dance routine and a story telling .

fabrice maire

-BRAVE GIRLS they're best stage they also understand the theme of this round and that was beautifull , the emotion ,the set , outfit , scenery , vocals everything was good .

fabrice maire

NOW for the ranking of course it's a big twist . i'am not surprise by the brave girls high ranking but i expect them to be rank 3 or even 2 not first but it's well deserve so i'am ok with that . WJSN as expected they rank 2nd so nothing more to say . LOONA happy for them but that performance didn't deserve the 3rd rank probably the 4 . HYOLIN rank make no sense at all i'am mad 4th really ???? she deserve to be at least 2 or 3 she clear 3 performance when the other got only 2 some members of each group got only one performance . so that make no sense to rank her 4th . for VIVIZ and KEP1ER it's sad but not a surprise

fabrice maire

TO ME the ranking is more like that 1 BRAVE GIRLS 2 WJSN 3 HYOLIN 4 LOONA /5 KEP1ER /6 VIVIZ

fabrice maire

at the end i keep my ranking i still thing than HYOLIN will win the show and WJSN will be 2 or maybe 3 i still don't know who's gonna be the last team in a top 3 probably LOONAor maybe a surprise .

Dardove

- Between the three performances from episode 8, I saw rankings all over the place (though WJSN being placed the 3rd out of them was the least common). The performances are going to hit people differently and it certainly doesn't bug me one bit that we don't see eye to eye on Kep1er's performance. I would prefer you to be honest in your reactions. - So 2 Loona reactions next month? Because I'm assuming you will also be reacting to their upcoming comeback that they announced this week. Kep1er also announced a comeback for June. - I'm still hoping that at some point you check out WJSN's subunits. They are different from what you have seen from WJSN already. The original version of Unnatural is also really worth checking out. - There are certainly K-Pop groups that don't all get along, and there have been issues with bullying within groups. - The video messages for Loona from the fans were very heartwarming, though all of the segments with the fans have been great. - I had never listened to Butterfly before this, but this was really quite amazing and the spiderweb part was quite unexpected. I would still put it below Pantomime though. - The only thing more that Brave Girls needed during their Livestream was some soju. - I hated the Rollin' dance just because they had them do it on chairs which were bound to lead to accidents like was shown. - They added "Canon in D" to Red Sun, hence the classical feel. - Yeoreum is actually friends with Yujung from Brave Girls, as they were trainees together before going to Starship and Brave. They appeared as backup dancers for some boy group. Probably why she cried the most out of all of them. - From what I heard, there actually was a minor fuck-up something with the video being played not being in-sync. They just didn't show it during the actual episode. - This was certainly a very emotional and lovely performance. - It is always nice to see nugu groups who struggled but were able to rise above it is always great. Groups like Mamamoo, Brave Girls, and EXID. - AC/DC shirts are pretty much the go-to for idol groups if they want to give off a rock vibe. South Korea must have a huge stockpile of them. - In case you forgot from the previous episode, Nerdy needs to remind you that they are a sponsor for this show. - I would assume she did the full songs. - In case you forgot from 5 minutes ago, Nerdy needs to remind you that they are a sponsor for this show. - All of the performances this round were the best each of the groups did. However, out of the three performances from this episode, I would say Hyolyn was the weakest for me, while Brave Girls and Loona are about equal. I think Hyolyn was better than Kep1er and Viviz though.

Darknexr

my prediction for the final songs based purely on the songs are. 1. WJSN 2. Loona 3. Brave Girls 4. Hyolyn 5. Kep1er 6. VIVIZ but its likely gonna change the moment i see the preformances

Laura

The thing about Butterfly is that it was always going to be a double edged sword for Loona. PTT may be their most popular song but Butterfly is the one that most people consider 'special'. From the MV to the choreo, Orbits (and non orbits) hold this song in such high regard that changing anything about it would have been risky because how can you improve on something so close to perfection? If it's your first time seeing a Loona Butterfly stage then it probably does come across as magical but to anyone that's soley a casual fan it's probably something they just see as 'oh I've seen this before'. The other teams weren't necessarily wrong in thinking this stage wasn't very impactful but that's because the impact was hidden in the history of the song and the struggles that came afterwards that only Loona and their fans could appreciate. The Butterfly era was very stressful so while this was a precious gift to Orbits it's understandable that it didn't hit quite as hard to to people not invested in the group. This round was for the fans and in that sense Loona 100% understood the assignment

fabrice maire

for HYOLIN i rewatch it with you guys and still i can't get it . it's not a biased opinion but why is she 4th that make no sense at all ????? she bring the best set in QUEENDOM so far with a lifeguard tower , a little subway rame , props etcc... the scenery was amazing the message and the fact than she bring one of her best fan to performe with her is amazing and of course the mood , the vocals everything is perfect . she fully nailed the concept of this round . at least she deserve to be rank 2or 3 or 1

Dardove

- Yeah, Bona was a Cube trainee until sometime before CLC made their debut when Exy rescued her from Cube and brought her over to Starship. I'm curious how things would have been different if she stuck around. Though for all we know, she didn't make the cut and that is why she jumped to another company (as it is pretty common to find a new home once you realize you won't be debuting and would have to wait 3+ years if you want if you stick with the same company for their next girl group). - Hyolyn had a similar journey as she was at one point a trainee with JYP and was part of a 4 member pre debut group. When the group got shelved, the 4 members went their separate ways and Hyolyn ended up at Starship. - CLC got acknowledged by Cube this week at least. They officially disbanded them. But yeah, MNet still hasn't. - Kep1er being so cheery and clapping while being downvoted is so cute. - Olivia Hye looked to be the most pissed at Kep1er downvoting them, or at least the one least able to hide her emotions in that moment. - I think that is the second time I have seen subtitles confuse WJSN and Loona. Another time, Luda was listed as a member of Loona I believe. - WJSN got a lot of hate from the more toxic Orbits out there for downvoting Loona. While Loona and WJSN themselves have been very friendly and made new friendships between the two groups. - It is fun watching you trying to predict the ordering, especially since I already know how it ends up. - SinB was so happy when she thought she wouldn't have to give a reason. - Hyolyn clearly a bit out of it after several long days of recording. - Pantomime really had it all. It has been my favorite performance this entire season. - I knew there was no chance Brave Girls were going home. MNet played it up too much. - Brave Girls shows they are the queen of reversals by taking first here. - While not getting first, I'm really proud of WJSN. Despite round 3 having the most number of points, they managed to get the closest to the first place. WJSN was about 3 thousand points behind Hyolyn in round 1 and Loona was about 4 thousand points behind Hyolyn in round 2. Here WJSN was less than a thousand points behind Brave Girls. It was a really close fight. - Might I point out that the team that got 2nd place the most during Queendom 1 was Mamamoo, who ended up winning the entire thing in the finals. WJSN has a bigger right ahead of them though. - I will point out that while Kep1er ended up in 6th for the round, that was because of the unit rounds. For the FANtastic performances themselves, Viviz was 6th and Kep1er was 5th. It is just that Kep1er got 2000 fewer points in the unit stages compared to Viviz. - Eunha is too cute. Add in SinB facepalming... - Finale is one live episode. - I'm curious what you think the order of performances will be for 2-5. - Time for the Spotify product placement! Of course, they couldn't listen their version of The Boys on Spotify.... - I don't know why it said Hyolyn's song would be featuring WJSN. Obviously, they aren't taking part in their competitor's song. - Hyolyn and Exy of WJSN were both the main writers and main composers for their respective songs. - The rapper with Hyolyn is Lee Young Ji. She is the third rapper on "Is This Bad B Number" along with Soyeon and Bibi.

Dardove

I have listened to all of the songs at least once. Based both on how the remaining points are divided up and those songs, my prediction is: 1. WJSN 2. Loona 3. Hyolyn 4. Viviz 5. Brave Girls 6. Kep1er With up to 20k up at stake, I think Loona is going to do the best for streaming just because of how the voting is being done. First, it is only on Spotify, which has a really small market share in Korea compared to other streaming sites like Melon, so Loona will be able to take advantage of their international fanbase. I think Kep1er and Viviz will be nipping at their heels with streaming because Kep1er also has a pretty good fanbase internationally and people are really digging the GFriend song that Viviz pulled from Source Music's archives. Loona will gain further with the 5k from Youtube points and 5k from fan voting, but WJSN I think will do pretty well in the fan voting. That leaves us with 30k for the live performance, which should favor WJSN, Hyolyn, and Viviz. I don't think Viviz will be able to capture enough points to overtake WJSN, Loona, or Hyolyn though. All 3 of those groups I think have a strong shot at winning, but I got to believe WJSN can do it. However it turns out, I hope Starship gives them some love going into next year and maybe they can avoid the 7-year curse, but with Ive doing so well, I fear even with WJSN doing well on this show, Starship might end up ignoring WJSN.

fabrice maire

last post for this reaction about KEP1ER my honest feeling is i don't understand why people think than because they're MNET childs they got a free pass?. objectively it's more a poisoned gift . KEP1ER possibility of win are close to 10 % even maybe zero % because they got only 2 songs and no experience . so how they're suppose to win a round who they're suppose to please they're fans with they're best songs When they already performe that song so YES KEP1ER as to performe another group songs . and that was no impactful because we got no message no meanings , that didn't tell they're story . like WJSN / HYOLIN or BRAVE GIRLS . why i think than that was a bad idea to put them in a show i love them so much how it's possible to not love cute girls like them ?

crispy chicken
>>84729958

Great clarification. Couldn't agree more. Butterfly is a masterpiece (the mv, the dance performance video, the vocals, etc., etc. Hard to improve a masterpiece...

Daniel Goland
>>84729958

I honestly felt like Mnet did a good job (oh my help me lord I'm praising the cucks) in presenting Loona's "case" for this song, it was incredibly easy to see how special this song is for their fans and themselves and with that in mind, even without being a fan at that time, I saw how important Butterfly was for them and in that Mnet showed that LOONA 1000% understood the assignment. I appreciate your post as clarification, like Crispy Chicken said.

KyrainMcLeod

Phew, saved me some money there. Buying ALL of the Brave Girls albums in Europe would have put quite a dent in my finances 😅 I'm so happy, their performance might not have been the most intricate or vocally impressive, but it was definitely 100% heartfelt and the audience got that, I think.

crispy chicken

My ranking after their performances was: 1. WJSN 2. Brave Girls 3. Hyolyn 4. Loona 5. Viviz 6. Kep1er Brave Girls - I guess Brave Girls pulled another Brave Girls. - "the way this song conveys sadness with positivity is absolutely beautiful". Well said sir! 🤓 And spot on for me. - Special shoutouts to their vocals. I thought they all sounded great. WJSN - Bona really caught my eye in this episode. She really gave me some reliable leader vibes. First the cool and positive way she talked about their performance, and second when she talked to Kep1er's Yujin. I don't think Yujin broke down in tears because they just knew each other from their practice time at Cube, but rather because of the question Bona asked: Bona: "You guys were great!" Yujin: "I'm the leader" Bona: "Gosh, you're just a baby. What leader!" Bona: "It's tough, huh? Are you alright?" Yujin: cries I think being a leader is very hard. As Hyolyn has also hinted before, a leader is expected to not cry, always be positive, carry the team and with it carry all of the responsibility. I think talking to Bona took her back to a time where she didn't have that burden. The way Bona asked her this question was also in such a disarming way, like: you don't have to keep up the leader appearance for me. I thought it was a very interesting and touching interaction. Kep1er - How can Hikaru be so cute offstage and so badass on stage? Loona - While their original dance to Butterfly was pretty much a masterclass on synchronicity, it's still crazy how synchronized they are in the new choreography. - I think I can now finally name/distinguish every member, yay! 😋 Viviz - Love Eunha for lifting the awkward atmosphere by saying that she thinks fifth place sounds cute 😂 I'm not sure if she said that because "fifth place" (오위) sounds like "cucumber" (오이). - I think it's harder in general for "cute" songs to create a big impact than it is with tougher, high-energy, girl-crush songs. I think Lovelyz and Oh My Girl also had that challenge. So I don't expect Viviz to do much better than they have been, but I love to be proven wrong. They might score high on the Spotify score though. Hyolyn - While I'm not a big fan of neon colored clothes (also used in the Hyolyn/WJSN dance unit) I really liked how they used them in combination with the light to basically create two versions of their clothes, and then quickly switch between them. Very cool. It reminded me of Dreamcatcher's Black or White where they switch between black and white outfits, but there it was done with editing. I haven't listened to their new songs yet. Probably will, and will probably put my ranking here.

KyrainMcLeod
>>84730272

Well yes, Hyolin probably gave the best performance. But I think that was not as important this time. If you remember the first Queendom, Mamamoos performance, which won that round, was nothing but 4 mics and a screen. I think Hyolin being perfect in everything actually hindered her ratings here a bit. I guess the audience was looking for something heartwarming and relatable. And her power and perfection are really not that relatable or cute or soft.

Dardove

So here are some numbers I have seen for the most streamed songs on Spotify: 1. Loona — 495,078 streams 2. Viviz — 320,157 streams 3. Kep1er — 228,704 streams 4. WJSN — 217,448 streams 5. Brave Girls — 123,688 streams 6. Hyolyn — 92,790 streams These numbers aren't the numbers used for scoring though. Instead you have to stream the song off the official playlist, and it only counts once per day. In Korea, the order is Viviz, WJSN, Loona, Brave Girls, Kep1er, and then Hyolyn. So if Korea counts for more, look for Viviz and WJSN to get a boost. Kep1er is number 1 on Japan's Spotify, while WJSN is number one in Taiwan and Hong Kong.

Dardove
>>84742862

Yeah, it was certainly the question being asked that caused Yujin to break down, though I think their history played a part. Like if someone else asked it, she probably wouldn't have broken down. From what I can see Bona spent 6 years at Cube as a trainee, while Yujin spent 4 years so Yujin would see her as her senior.

Marcel Wannieck

Oh boy, here we go. My brain is still a bit fried because I went to the Electric Callboy concert yesterday (probably the most insane moshpit I've ever experienced and I wasn't even in the middle of it) and then stayed up until 4 am to watch this episode on my own first. But I'll try my best to get my thoughts in order. And I ended up writing so much that it doesn't all fit into one comment, so I'll split it up by group/segment. - I mean, as you probably saw later on in the episode, the audience ranking pretty much agreed with you on Kep1er. And please don't feel the need to apologize for your honest opinions. It's all valid, just as long as you stay respectful. I also have a very, shall we say, interesting opinion about one of the performances in this round. I'll get to that later. - I saw someone else on Youtube (TeddyGreyOnStuff) just react to Blackpink for the first time with Ddu-Du Ddu-Du. He mostly does reactions to Albanian hip hop but also a bit of Kpop and he became a huge fan of Stray Kids through that. After he reacted to a performance where SKZ mashed up one of their songs with DDDD, the comments encouraged him to react to the original BP song. So he did and he didn't like it. Which is cool, he was being very respectful about it. But the comments were so toxic that on the next Kpop reaction he said that he would never react to Blackpink ever again. And that's just ridiculous. There are people saying that most reaction channels are "fake" because they like everything but then the moment someone honestly states that they didn't like one BP song, they get bombarded with hate. It's like you can never please these people.

Marcel Wannieck

- Was it me? Was I the one who hyped up Butterfly for you? I hope I didn't create any unrealistic expectations 😅 - Nice, love to see more Loona on your YT channel. - That little drawing of the "Fightig" pose is from the dance practice video of their Japanese song Hula Hoop. And this is probably as much recognition as their Japanese music is going to get on this program. Btw, what's kinda funny is that the dance practice for Hula Hoop has more views than the actual music video. That might be a fun one for you to react to as well, but only after you've done ALL of the solo and subunit MVs because Hula Hoop has a lot of references and callbacks to those. So it might be a few years before you can get to that :P - Well, as a full group they have great chemistry but trust me, Hyunjin and Go Won are so awkward around each other that every attempt at even the tiniest bit of small talk fails miserably :D - Yes, the Avengers of Kpop is the video I mentioned. It's a bit dated as it came out in 2019 but it's still an excellent overview of how they were put together and a must watch for every new Loona fan. - Again, a cover battle between Loona and WJSN with both of their Butterflies would have been hilarious. There is this amazingly cursed mashup lyric video of both songs by random_k. But the thing is, it's not actually a proper mashup, it's literally Loona's Butterfly in the left channel and WJSN's Butterfly in the right channel. Check it out if you ever want to give yourself brain damage: https://youtu.be/_gOoiUUd0TM - But I'm really glad that they're getting to perform Butterfly now. It is their best and most important song in my opinion. - Bris and GBZKarma being featured on this show is wild lmao - General question, do you watch other reactors? - Imagine Mnet showing a snippet of you calling them cucks on Korean national television. - They talk about the original version a lot and rightfully so. The original Butterfly and its choreography are in that very small group of stuff that I consider to be better than perfect. It is easily and by far my favourite Kpop choreography of all time and changing it without making it worse is VERY difficult. They really hit the sweet spot with the original and I have some thoughts about the Queendom version which I'll talk about in my ranking comment. - Love seeing the entire process of them putting this together. - Listen girls, even if people voted for someone else because of your costumes, you still came in second, only beaten by Hyolyn. And Hyolyn is, well, Hyolyn. Plus, she covered your song, so in a way, you also came in first. - https://i.redd.it/hs7irifca0071.jpg - Pink hair is Yves, pronounced like Eve. - I sincerely hope they were wearing some form of knee protection. - Haseul could whisper to me any day. - Fljúgðu eins og fiðrildi. Icelandic for Fly like a butterfly. The use of that language is quite significant to their lore. - Actual thoughts on the performance later, I'll just say that Mnet's camera work once again did a piss poor job of showing the performance in its full glory. - Viki is adding captions for the songs but they take a while to be completed. All of the captions you see here are done by fans. - Well, I guess that's just another reason to react to the original MV, right? :P

Marcel Wannieck

- Two Brave Girls songs being sung by the other contestants there: High Heel from 2016, just after the debut of the current BG members and We Ride from 2020, a personal favourite of mine and the last song they released before Rollin blew up. - Just the appetizer before Hyolyn? Well, we'll see about these scores later 👀 - "Down to earth and friendly" Yeah, in a way they seem like the most approachable people here. Like someone you could easily hang out with in a very casual setting. - I am very mad that the entire High Heels album just disappeared from Spotify a while ago. No idea why. - Red Sun seemed like weird choice to me at first. Yes it does tell of their struggles. But it's also a commercial for a department store at the same time. And overall not their best song in my opinion. - I like the little inserts from their old live performances of High Heel. - Thousand Years Of Love was probably put there by someone as a joke but of course Minyoung takes the assignment completely serious and just murders these vocals. - I'm a CABBAGE! - Man, internet names are wild. Sometimes I feel like I'm the weird one, using my real name and all that. - But tbh, as I kept watching I started to understand why they went with Red Sun. It is probably the most fitting song for this round. - How many offices have two full Iron Man suits in them? I can't think of many. - Oh boy, this video. It's from a livestream that Yuna did in early 2021. Brave Girls were in a really bad spot. No promotions, nothing to do for months and mere days away from actual disbandment. They were already starting to look for other jobs, normal, non-celebrity jobs because the life as a singer just wasn't working out for them. And they would've disbanded and actually had to get these new jobs, had it not been for that one video where someone compiled a bunch of live performances of Rollin they did for the military, together with YT comments of those soldiers talking about their experience. The video is legendary, it went crazy viral and single-handedly prevented the disbandment of Brave Girls. I highly encourage you to check out the video yourself. The way these soldiers go insane over Brave Girls is crazy: https://youtu.be/cfHWIqJkEf4 You've probably heard the story already from someone else but I wanted to mention it again because it is so important to this Queendom performance. - Yup, and that. The original Rollin choreo was straight up dangerous. I don't know whose stupid idea it was to have them go up on these stools. As you can see, they did fall down sometimes and actually got hurt. All I can say is that I'm glad they changed the choreo when Rollin went viral again. No more climbing on top of any stools or chairs or any other kind of furniture. - Again, a case of me wishing that the fans would also sub the songs immediately. The translations already exist anyway, so why does it always take so long? This is not a knock against the people who do the subbing btw, they do amazing work and we owe them a lot. It's just that in this specific case the lyrics are SO important to understanding and fully appreciating this performance. - I call this genre "upbeat sad bops" - Jesus Christ, I am writing so much about this episode that I've actually hit the character limit in my notes app. I might even have to split it up over several comments on Patreon. - Man, something breaking now would be fate's ultimate middle finger to them. - And here we have it. The breakthrough of Brave Girls. Love to see it. - No fuckups happened, only emotions. Insert obligatory Fuck You Mnet here.

Marcel Wannieck

- Fun fact about me: while my English is probably nearly perfect, every once in a while I stumble across a word I've never heard before and I have to put in in a translator to find out what it means in German. So yeah, Queendom taught me some new vocabulary. I now know what busking is. It's performing music or dance on the street, mostly for random pedestrians who happen to walk by. A busker is a street musician. You might have seen people with guitars or violins playing in public places. That's what it is. - A lot of new Kpop groups from small labels actually start out with performing on the streets in order to draw attention. I believe Mamamoo used to do it too, right? - Hyolyn is back to in person meetings! - I'm not familiar with Hyolyn's music, so I didn't know either one of these songs. But just from these short snippets I heard, I immediately preferred See Sea. - Looks like she has a guy called Andrew on her team. At least I assume that's his name. They wrote it as 앤드류 (Aendeuryu) and if I twist that pronounciation around enough in my head, I get Andrew. - P R O D U C T  P L A C E M E N T S - "Why does it feel so short?" Idk, maybe because you only performed these songs for 5 seconds each? :P - I like to believe that the guy who preferred the second song doesn't even know anything about Hyolyn. He just happened to be there at the time, preferred one of two songs he just heard for the first time and was thus responsible for which song she performed on the show :D - M O R E  P R O D U C T  P L A C E M E N T S - I looked it up, Park Hyerim is 19 years old. So she would have been around 15 when she saw Hyolyn at that theme park (looks like Lotte World btw. I'm very envious of my friends who will be there in October). - When I went to the Ateez concert in Berlin, there was a girl behind me that had the same kinds of screaming reactions. I am very glad that I brought earplugs. - M O T H E R F U C K I N G  P R O D U C T  P L A C E M E N T S - Hyolyn doing a Hyolyn. That's all I'm gonna say about this performance for now.

Marcel Wannieck

- I'm with you, this round was especially hard to rank. And you'll see, I did something quite unusual with my rankings. - "I hate this hour" Me too, Yuna, me too. Welcome to the self evaluation aka contestants punching down on each other and everyone is sour because of it. - "Dishonorably" Stfu. The only dishonorable people here are the Mnet fucks who invented the elimination rule. - Eunji what are these noises that are coming out of your mouth - Why are you clapping Kep1er this is not the time to clap - And this is the problem with sending such a new group to this competition. They really only have two full songs to themselves and both were used up in the previous rounds. They don't have their own legacy to draw on for this round, instead having to do a cover which has little to do with their actual fan relationship. I'll write more about this in my ranking comment but I totally understand Eunji's reasoning here. - Oops - Yes, Mashiro is Japanese but she trained under JYP for a really long time alongside the current members of Itzy and is now completely fluent in Korean. - In SOME way I can sort of understand ranking Loona lower. I'll explain why in my ranking comment. - Eunha always finds a way to twist everything to her favour. - Mistake in the subs there, WJSN obviously didn't pick themselves as a level below, they picked Loona. They just have very similar sounding Korean names: 우주소녀 (Wuju Sonyeo) and 이달의 소녀 (Idalui Sonyeo), so mistakes like that can happen. - But why the fuck are they now subbing Butterfly as "Don't Go"? That's just flat out wrong. Don't Go was the Exo song that the vocal unit performed a few episodes ago and I guess the mistake stems from the Korean title of the song (나비소녀) translating to "Butterfly Girl" but still, this is ridiculous. - I completely agree with SinB. They're here as Viviz, not Gfriend. So performing a Viviz song makes more sense in this round. - I love that more teams selected a winning team this time and I especially love that two of those votes went to Brave Girls. - Top three, huh? Just you wait. - Oof, hurts to see Loona get three downvotes but like I said, I think I have a decent theory about why that happened. - 80 countries but I'm actually more interested on how many people in total were voting. - Hyolyn had great success so far, that's right but oh boy. - YEEEAAAH Brave Girls get that global first place! - I'll always take tears of joy over tears of sadness. - Yup, Hyolyn in last place is not something I saw coming. But I have a theory: this performance was one that doesn't translate that well on a screen. It works much better in an actual live setting. You can actually see that in the full points breakdown, she did much better in the live audience voting. - BRAVE GIRLS FIRST PLACE LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOO -And if Minyoung's vocal unit performance had placed first (like it should have), they would've gotten a perfect score of 20,000. That is insane. I am so happy about this. - Mnet are still cucks for their editing. - Of course Eunha finds a way to make it cute. And SinB cannot believe what she is hearing, I am WHEEZING. - One more Korean lesson that nobody asked for from a German who doesn't speak Korean: "I love you" in Korean is 사랑해 (saranghae) and the number 4 is pronounced like 사 (sa). So you could write "I love you" as 4랑해. - Putting Hyolyn at the start to make her get fewer points might not work. She went second in the first round and won. - Minyoung, there is already a giant ass camera in your face, why are you looking hidden ones? - Good lord, this Spotify placement is perhaps the most obnoxious one on this show. And I'm an avid user of Spotify. But I get it, they want to get the word out and establish themselves in Korea which is a relatively new market for them. - Brave Girls have two kinds of sounds they usually go for. Summer bops or Retro Disco/City-Pop/Synthwave. Seems like the new song is a Summer bop. - The feat. WJSN for Hyolyn's song is very intriguing (and wrong as I just found out, her actual feature is Lee Youngji). - Intense stuff from Kep1er. - The Loona song sounds interesting. They've done so many different things already and this still feels new for them. - Viviz are just doing a Gfriend song. Not that I'm complaining. - WJSN is perhaps the one I'm most excited about. - But I won't be listening to the full songs now. I want my first impression to be of the live performances next week. - That rapper is Lee Youngji. I don't know her that well but she was featured on Soyeon's "Is this bad bitch number?" along with Bibi. Absolutely fierce song and there is a performance video with English subtitles. Might be worth a reaction? How the hell did I write so much for this episode? I still have the rankings left to do. Well, let's get to it I guess. I hope I'm not overwhelming you with this.

Marcel Wannieck

Ok, I'm gonna do something hella weird for my rankings this time: #7: Brave Girls I feel like such an asshole putting Brave Girls in last place. But just looking at the performances themselves, disregarding everything else, Red Sun was the least impressive stage to me. The live vocals were great but everything else was just kinda ok. There was not that much going on on stage, the choreography was good but not great and the videos, while fitting, did sorta interrupt the flow of everything. I wish we would have gotten subtitles for the lyrics. #6: Viviz Good performance, very good performance. In fact, every performance from here is pretty damn good. Maybe not quite as impressive as the other ones but it still had some amazing moments. That dance break was awesome! #5: Kep1er So, I'm putting this above Viviz, but only slightly. In terms of the raw performance, yes, this did impress me more than Viviz. They really brought it here. I loved the costumes, the stage design (those wings, man) and the overall attitude. The only problem is the song. Not that there's anything wrong with The Boys by Girls Generation. I love that song. But this round is supposed to be a special gift to the fans with a song that holds special meaning to the fans of your group. That's not really possible if you do a cover of another group's song. This is why I would've liked to see a CLC cover. Then it would've held some actual meaning for Yujin at least. Out of context it's a great performance that I actually prefer over Viviz. But in context I understand why they got last place and I don't entirely disagree. As much as I love Kep1er (trust me, I've seen the shit these girls had to go through on GP999, I am with them until the end), I don't think they should've competed here. They are too new, they only have one EP, half of which is songs from GP999, and thus they can't really unfold their true potential. Maybe a group like fromis_9 or Everglow would have been better in their place. I don't know. #4: Hyolyn This is actually perfect in pretty much every way. Vocals, performance, stage presence. You can really see how comfortable Hyolyn is on stage and I love it. Hyerim's inclusion was also really cool. But it's not enough. We're at the point of the competition where you need to go above and beyond, where you need to be better than "just" perfect. The other groups did just that. And I think this is the kind of stage that only shows it's true potential if you're sitting in the live audience.

Marcel Wannieck

#3: Loona Hnngg, I'm conflicted. On it's own it's amazing. Breathtaking. Better than perfect. Everything I could ask for. The synchronisation of Loona is on another level. LIVE VOCALS! And how beautiful everything is. One teensy tiny problem: The Original™. They talked a lot about the original version of Butterfly in the preparations. And it's true, the original Butterfly is so incredibly amazing that doing pretty much anything to change it almost automatically makes it worse. They hit THE sweet spot, a beyond perfect blend of song and choreography that will likely never be topped. I truly believe that the original choreography of Loona's Butterfly is the best choreography this genre has ever seen and will ever see. I would pay insane amounts of money to see this song performed live in front of my own eyes. Even if it means enduring the bullshit of Kpop Flex again lol. Let's talk about the rearranged song first. I actually love it! No complaints here. They didn't do too much but changed just enough towards the end to make it feel grander and more magical. Excellent job there. Now, the choreography. In isolation it's actually amazing. There are so many good moments and really powerful moves. The new choreo they came up with for the first chorus is so damn impressive. BUT! The Original™ exists. There are these stand out moments in there that are missing from the Queendom version. Them standing in a line and then fanning out to both sides, the diagonal domino effect, Go Won being lifted up in the middle etc. Go Won did get lifted here too but you couldn't see it thanks to Mnet's camera work. And when I did see it, the execution looked a bit awkward. The magic of the original choreography doesn't come from powerful individual moves. No, it comes from Loona moving as one body, shaping themselves into ever new formations and creating a masterful piece of art this way. There was a bit of that here, but not enough. But if they had left it as it was, then the complaint would have been that they're not trying anything new. And it would have been a valid complaint. I feel like they did the best they could under these circumstances. Butterfly is amazing but it is a double edged sword. Again, I loved this performance to pieces. But the original is unbeatable. I guess that's the tl;dr here. #2: WJSN Do I need to explain this? I mean, you've seen this performance too, right? This has everything. It's brimming with creativity, beautiful moments, jawdropping choreography, acrobatics! The way they used the projections in the beginning was stunning. Everyone brought their A game here. I was already a fan of WJSN's music going into this show. But now seeing them here, seeing their personalities and the kinds of performances they're putting on, I think they might have to join the ranks of my ult bias groups, alongside Dreamcatcher, Stray Kids, Loona and Mamamoo. They're just that good. A++, 11/10 #1: Brave Girls Wait, didn't I just put them in last place? Yes, I did. And I don't care. Because Brave Girls deserved to win this round. Yes, from a pure performance aspect, this one did the least to impress me. But if I stop being an ass about it and just look at the emotional reaction this one evokes in me, nothing tops this. This is all about the feels, them overcoming their struggles and how beautifully they told that story. It's a perfect representation of their life, really. The videos that I stated were interrupting the flow of the performance don't actually bother me at all. They are perfect where they are for the emotional journey. The more I rewatch it, the more it gets me. Brave Girls, get that perfect score and KICK SOME ASS IN THE FINALE!

Dardove
>>84753766

Is This Bad B Number is certainly worth a reaction. Lee Young Ji was the winner of High School Rapper 3. She was also on the show Good Girl, where she absolutely killed it. My favorite song of hers from that show is "I Am Lee Young Ji". She also did a great duet with Hyo on the show called "I Do What I What", which means all performers on "Is This Bad B Number" have done songs with Hyo. On Immortal Songs, she did "Bang Bang" with Ailee. Pretty cool version of it, which is very different from the cover Ailee previously did of the song with Hyolyn and Jessi. The main song she is known for is Dark Room. She is also a pretty amazing dancer and made a guest appearance on SWF along with Weki Meki's Yoojung and Loona's Yves. She and Yoojung became good friends after Yoojung was part of the audience for Good Girl. Here is a dance cover of them and IZ*ONE Chaeyeon: youtube.com/watch?v=QzXc25oaD8k

Dardove
>>84757291

If you enjoy their personalities here and want to see more. I certainly recommend checking out their shows from the Universe App. There is: The House Of Fortune Secret Of the Grand Mansion (my personal favorite) SSAP-Dance Immersive WWJSN Do Not Disturb (just one of them relaxing and doing what they want) Secret Gathering: The Fake (This one aired during Queendom despite being filmed earlier) Most can be found on the wiki for the group's subreddit. https://www.reddit.com/r/cosmicgirls/wiki/variety The only ones missing are the ones that aired this year, but you should be able to find them on Twitter.

Daniel Goland
>>84753601

I actually stopped reacting to Nightwish for similar reasons, not that I get any hate, but a fellow reactor TankTheTech, he had a video about Nightwish and in return, he got some not only toxic comments from their fans, but death threats as well, I did get some weird comments because I had something to say that wasn't even negative but it didn't align with what others thought. But once I saw the reception that Tank's video got, I was like "nope", views aren't everything, I'm not gonna make a reaction and tiptoe around everything just in case I may have a critique. Yeah, some people hate my reaction style when I pause all the time, but then on other channels, they complain about how reactors don't provide any substance and just do it for the views. It is what it is, I guess. Whoa, I totatlly ignored the part where you went to Electric Callboy's concert?! HOLY SHIT! And to answer your question in another comment, I do watch other reactors like Caitlin Benson, Seoul Connection, Jordan Omre, Form of Therapy, GBZKarma, and some others.

Marcel Wannieck
>>84753601

I saw that video from Tank too. And I also watched the livestream he did afterwards where he basically said that the comments he got on that video only confirmed his decision to not do any more Nightwish reactions. People can be so damn entitled sometimes. I really don't get it, nobody is forcing them to watch these videos. If they don't like it, they can just stop watching and do something else. These are free videos on Youtube, like, calm down. Side note, I've been hearing a lot of great stuff about Nightwish's music. Maybe I should try listening to some of it. Yeah, I've been to the penultimate show on Electric Callboy's European tour in Cologne. It was fucking wild, man. If you can get to Europe somehow, they are on tour again next year with their new album. It also introduced me to two other great bands, One Morning Left and Blind Channel, both of whom I'll surely be listening more to. Btw, where's that Spaceman reaction at 👀

Daniel Goland
>>84753601

Ohhh I cannot stress this enough, Nightwish are AMAZING, absolutely amazing you should definitely check them out! Love Blind Channel, they even shared 2 of my reactions to their MVs on their YT posts, which was amazing. Shit, I have yet to check out Spaceman, it always pops up on spotify during my workouts but I always skip it because I hope to react to it hehe

Marcel Wannieck
>>84757291

Thank you. But I don't really have the time to watch any variety outside of competition shows. I might check out some guides or compilations tho. For Dreamcatcher there is this YT called insomnicsy who does some great compilations. Do you know if there's a channel like that for WJSN?

Dardove
>>84757291

I will say that episodes are pretty short. Like 15 minuteish. But if you don't got time, you don't got time. No worries. Just figured you might be interested because they really are a blast to watch. I don't tend to watch a lot of guides or compilations, so there isn't really much I can specifically point to. The only channel I really know of is WJ Bunny which does some WJSN clips.

Marcel Wannieck
>>84757291

Ah well, 15 min episodes don't sound too bad. I might take a look once my exams are over 👍🏻

tracisr

I'm just so happy for Brave Girls that's all I have to say! I do feel bad for Kep1er bc that was their best performance yet. Hyolyn stage was really good but too similar to her first stage so it got compared to and it didn't live up to that first performance. Plus she had to prepare 3 stages at the same time so she couldn't out as much into this one she had before but looking at the rage in her eyes her next stage is gonna burn the house down!!!

tracisr
>>84730272

I also think her stage was too similar to her first one so they also compared the two and this one although absolutely perfect didn't beat the first round performance.

tracisr
>>84780208

Yeah she is definitely gonna come back with a vengeance! And I can't wait!!!!!

Daniel Goland
>>84780208

Lord have mercy on my Lonna girls, this finale is gonna be like fucking Highlander, everybody's going for the head 🤣🤣🤣

tracisr
>>84780208

There can be only one!!!! I fucking love Highlander so much! That soundtrack is perfection! Now I'm sitting her singing "who wants to live forever " 🤣

Dardove
>>84780208

Based on their songs, I expect big things from the final stages of Hyolyn, Loona, and WJSN.

tracisr
>>84780208

I cant wait the little samples they gave sound good to me!!! Especially Hyolyn and Loona!!!!

fabrice maire

except LOONA i have the same ultimate bias list than you i have just 4 or five more group from the previous gen in that list at the end it's . DREAMCATCHER / STRAYKIDS /WSJN /A-PINK /GIRLS DAY /BLACKPINK /I.O.I/B.A.P/ MONSTA X

crispy chicken
>>84791656

Girls Day, I.O.I. and B.A.P! Nice! I rarely see them getting mentioned. 👍

newcarsmell
>>84729958

Great points tbh. The same criticisms that people had for Viviz in R1 could apply to Loona in this round. For those who are familiar with the song, it will really resonate, but others won't be able to connect to it as much. I did enjoy the TFMN/Rough performance, but I would be lying if I said that it particularly moved me, as I had never really listened to Gfriend before. I think this is kind of the challenge of the 'fan choice' round. It reminds me of the discussion (G)I-DLE had in season one - "the fans would love it if we perform this Bside." "yes, but only our fans would know it, we would be at a disadvantage in terms of ranking." I think Brave Girls, Hyolyn and WJSN had the right idea - perform the fan favourite, but make it engaging for the rest of the audience, by either making it relatable to non-fans or by making the performance as grand as possible.

newcarsmell
>>84757291

Hey guys, sorry to barge into your convo But as someone slowly discovering WJSN, I discovered this great YouTube content creator, who goes by 우주온탑 Yes, a Korean fan, but includes really good Eng subs. Overall the highest quality fan content I've come across in YouTube so far. Apart from variety/funny moments compilations, also has made a 10-minute video for each member, explaining their positions, personalities etc. Very helpful in getting to know them and IMO better than most fanguides I've seen. I strongly recommend their channel!