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Radio War Nerd EP #253 — Election Violence & Election-2020 (Patreon)

Published:
2020-11-07 01:31:48
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2023-06

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Recorded: November 6, 2020

The War Nerd & Ames discuss the 2020 freakshow in the country that calls itself "the world's oldest democracy" — and look to the past and across the oceans to make some sense of this thing called election violence.

First, we discuss the 2020 election...

At 1:04:00 - the War Nerd looks back at election violence in 19th-c. America

Total time: 1:47:52

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oo12

Any updates from Nick (Episode 243) on setting up a RWN community not on Facebook? Definitely interested in this.

Ellen Harold

Please, please make this important topic -- election violence -- public. It is so very good. John Dolan seems to me the fulfilment of Shelley's dictum that poets are the unacknowledged legislators of mankind. He sums up the parallels with what is going on today with 1870s Reconstruction in the South so succinctly and with such flair. Mark Ames's analysis of our interventionist "color revolutions" is also spot on. I hope his prediction of possible repressive consequences for voices on the Left will not come to pass. How can we ignore world opinion in this day and age?

Ellen Harold

The Civil War as an example of election violence, such a wonderful insight. I wish there were a transcript.

Anonymous

2 party politics is a good cop-bad cop routine. One of them is offering you coffee, the other is threatening a beating, but neither of them is going to let you out of the interrogation room until your lawyer shows up. They are not the same, but they are both cops. They are friends and co-workers and will band together against any outside threat. Sure, the bad cop has a few issues going on at the moment that's affecting his work, but don't expect him to ever be held responsible for his actions. If you cooperate with them, you may be able to have a say in who is in the room with you at the moment, but don't mistake that for power. Oh, and every single thing they say is a lie.

Ellen Harold

W.J. Cash The Mind of the South (1941) excerpt: [Calvinist New England had public education. The South did not --E.H.] Even at the best and fullest, the idea of social responsibility which grew up in the South remained always a narrow and purely personal one. . . . The Virginians themselves … never got beyond that brutal individualism — and for all the Jeffersonian glorification of the idea, it was brutal as it worked out in the plantation world — which was the heritage of the frontier; that individualism which, while willing enough to ameliorate the specific instance, relentlessly laid down as its basic social postulate the doctrine that every man was completely and wholly responsible for himself. … The individual outlook . . . the whole paternalistic pattern, in fact, the complete otherworldliness of religious feeling . . . all this, combining with their natural unrealism of temperament, bred in [white Southerners] a thoroughgoing satisfaction, the most complete blindness to the true facts of their world." [He goes on to say:] hardly any Southerner of the master class every even slightly apprehended that the general shiftlessness and degradation of the masses was a social product. Hardly one, in truth, ever concerned himself about the systematic raising of the economic and social level of these masses. And if occasional men [would sponsor a school here and there, the same men] . . . would take the lead in indignantly rejecting the Yankee idea of universal free schools maintained at the public charge . . ." -- W. J. Cash, The Mind of the South (New York: Alfred A Knopf, 1941).

Ellen Harold

The South did not even have prisons. After the Civil War they dumped black people into literal dungeons. The convict leasing system was touted as a humane alternative because at least it got prisoners outdoors. The South built virtually its entire infrastructure with unpaid convict labor. I think Scott Reynolds Nelson's brief book, Steel Driving Man : John Henry, The Untold Story Of An American Legend (2006), a meditation on the author's search to find the real John Henry of the folk ballad, is wonderfully illuminating about this. The blurb section on the web page for Powell's bookstore reproduces this summation from the Merle Curti History Prize Committee: "A beautifully written, unique essay in social and cultural history that tells a multilayered story about labor, race, and railroads in the era of Reconstruction.... Elegant, accessible, and engaging [it] reveals the archaeological process of historical research and history writing, compelling readers to understand how all of us come to understand the past. Based upon astonishing research, Nelson tells an eloquent story about injustice, racism, and most important of all, why we study history and how those in the present become engaged with the past."--Merle Curti Prize Committee [Henry Yu, Professor of History, UCLA,; Mary Murphy, Montana State University; Mae M. Ngai, Columbia University; Hal Rothman, University of Nevada, Las Vegas; and Jeffrey Sklansky, Oregon State]

xnfec

I'm old enough to remember when Nixon visited Ireland and they made a newsworthy fuss of finding an Irish connection for him based on his middle name, Milhouse. As I recall, Nixon listened politely.

Anonymous

The Sinn Fein helium sketch from The Day Today (mentioned about 40 mins in) is actually a parody of the British government's broadcast ban of Sinn Fein and Irish Republicans circa 1988-94. To get around this, the BBC would have actors read out the speeches of Sinn Fein representatives, often employing silly-sounding voices. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988%E2%80%9394_British_broadcasting_voice_restrictions

Isaac Kalish

I think we need to compliment the anti-jellyfish stance of this show. I support this.

tramsgender

US media: "we had to cut off the trump speech because he was spreading disinformation". Also the US media: "we need to invade Iraq because the president says they have WMDs and did 9/11"

Anonymous

To answer your question about the riches of Bangor, the seafront (there are much less well-off areas in the town further inland) is mostly populated by retired upper middle class Protestant professionals. It’s our very own Florida Keys...

Anonymous

Book recommendations on Jim Crow as reaction to Populism? Just read Vann Woodward’s’ Strange Career. Good book, but light on details in the key chapters on Populism. Going to try the same author’s book on Tom Watson next.

radiowarnerd
>>47290911

Yes, it's set up and running. Here are Nick's instructions.... I've finished up the official un-official federated Radio War Nerd chat server. Please follow the instructions in this painstakingly beautiful documentation I've written here: https://dokuwiki.radiowarnerd.org/matrixaccountcreation It is incredibly easy to set up, and you can then join in on discussing such important topics such as why there is no helicopter moe anime. It is a Matrix server, so you can also explore the public rooms on the radiowarnerd.org matrix server with any matrix account, thanks to help from Dan Holliman EDIT: Matrix currently has the best end-to end encryption setups of all the chat programs right now. The public rooms are unencrypted, by the direct messages are encrypted by default. Also, this is currently running on a $10 a month instance. I hope that that is enough, resource wise for the participation we get.

radiowarnerd
>>47320534

That's an interesting passage. It reminds me of Mark Twain's view of the antebellum South.