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What A Cartoon! - The Ren & Stimpy Show "The Royal Canadian Kilted Yaksmen" With Thad Komorowski and Bob Jaques (Patreon)

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2020-08-24 04:01:00
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2023-01

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This week, we're making our third visit to the land of Ren & Stimpy with a thorough examination of the season two finale that brought an end to the show's Spumco era. As usual, we're joined by Ren & Stimpy scholar (and all-around animation expert) Thad Komorowski, but this time around, we also have a guest who worked on this legendary animated series: Bob Jaques! Via his studio Carbunkle Cartoons, Bob served as the animation director on some of the best episodes of Ren & Stimpy, and on this installment of What A Cartoon!, we talk to him in length about his career, his relationship with The Ren & Stimpy Show, and his work on this episode in particular. So listen in and get ready for an episode that's more fulfilling than a dirt feast!

Also, be sure to listen to Bob and Thad's podcast, Cartoon Logic, and sign up for their Patreon!

Note: This podcast was recorded weeks before the release of the Ren & Stimpy documentary and the Comedy Central reboot, which is why these topics don't come up in the episode.

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ShyRanger

Honestly I've never liked Ren & Stimpy at all in my life. As a kid I was turned away, and even when I tried it again (even before all the John K stuff) I just couldn't enjoy it at all despite loving all the shows it clearly inspired. I bring this up because, your guy's episodes about Ren & Stimpy are EASILY my favorite of the ones you do. Maybe it's because I'm so turned away visually that I can appreciate the show more when just hearing it. Maybe it's because there's just so much well done stuff to hear about I can love the "ingredients" even if I don't like the final product. And of course, maybe there's just so much behind the scenes that I can respect MOST of the talent behind it, especially in their future endeavors on things I like more. Sorry for such a long comment, but point is, it's amazing how much I love hearing about a show I dislike.

Frank Grimes

Check out this interview w/ the Happy Happy Joy joy documentary guys, from Double Toasted: https://soundcloud.com/kcoolman/ren-and-stimpy-documentary-happy-happy-joy-joy-directors-double-toasted-interview

Thad Komorowski
>>42745223

The director is an assclown— very thin skinned and prone to showing his whole ass. He sent me a whiney, threatening email because I shared a screener with Bob Camp to help write my review. You can read it here: https://www.forcesofgeek.com/2020/08/happy-happy-joy-joy-the-ren-stimpy-story-review.html

mavrick

I always conflate this episode with Wiener Barons as they both center around Canada, all tucked away down there.

Devin Hoffarth

Lavern and Shirley Join the Army keeps coming up in these podcasts. It's kinda become the new Bonkers... Lavern and Shirley Join the Army WAC Podcast: 2021

nina matsumoto
>>42732745

I was never a big Ren & Stimpy fan either, until I went to animation school and gained a lot of appreciation and respect for it. It's not totally my jam but I can't deny its brilliance. Despite the creator and all the behind-the-scenes hardships, it was really an amazing work of animation and I love these WAC deep dives into them too.

Anonymous

Very interesting to hear that often times episodes are completed not too long before they're scheduled to air. Nowadays it's the opposite for Nickelodeon. For example, the SpongeBob episode "Pineapple RV" just aired last month, despite it being completed in 2018, and airing in practically every other country last year.

Thad Komorowski
>>42732745

Nina’s is a pretty common opinion. Also, “I really don’t like the show but I really liked your book.” The reboot and the subsequent #cancel drive has stirred up some truly revisionist POVs that try to downplay its place in the history of animation, but let’s face it: Ren & Stimpy, other than The Simpsons, is the most important TV cartoon ever made. There literally wouldn’t be TV animation discourse without it, and comments to belittle it really do show an ignorance of industry context and history. (No one in THIS thread has exhibited it, thankfully...)

Devin Hoffarth

Oh also one fun fact: One of my Provinces biggest natural resources is the oil sands! Which IS technically dirt! SO YEA! REN AND STIMPY WERE RIGHT! I don't think you should eat it though.

Kat Heagberg

1. This episode was such a gift! This week is the week of both my birthday and my summer vacation (hermity cabin in Topanga canyon with my boyfriend because it’s a fucking pandemic, but still pretty great) and I honestly think it’s still the best thing that’s gonna happen this week. Seriously that good. 2. On the “Torona” pronunciation of “Toronto”: spot on. A couple of years ago I was attending a convention in Toronto for work. My Canadian friends has explained that I needed to pronounce it “Torana” or or “Torono,” (no middle T ever), but I’m an annunciatior. I can’t. Like, I say both Ts in “kitten” and “mitten.” I lived in Scranton, PA for a few years and pronounced the “t” in Scranton. I have to. So some co-workers and I were walking to the convention one morning, and I’m excitedly talking about the city: I love this about Toronto, that about Toronto, and so on. A person behind us is taking to himself and obviously having a hard time with mental health issues (which sucks, because everyone should have access to mental healthcare and I’m not meaning to make fun of that at all — just mentioning that there’s something going on with him that is a struggle and and typical causing him to act erratically and kind of oblivious of his environment and not really aware of the outside world). All of a sudden I see him kind of snap “back” into the world around him, and he looks me straight in the eye and says “Tor-on-TO? NO. It’s pronounced “TOH-ON-OH. DO you wanna die? Do you wanna die in TO-RON-OH, bitch?” Since then, “Do you wanna die in Torono, bitch?” Has been a motto for my co-workers and me, and I will never mispronounce it again.

Anonymous

A summary of this episode “and hey, do you guys remember this drawing too? Yup, it’s a penis too.” And I’m loving every minute of it

Joe Hodgson

The outhouse scene has always hit close to home for me. I can practically smell that image, which I suppose is a compliment to the artwork, but also not an experience I'm necessarily looking for. My dad's family had what they referred to as "The Camp," which is a little house in Maine that my great grandfather purchased in the 40s and was used by the family for hunting and fishing over the years. There was largely nothing there but a church when it was built, plus there was a huge town-wide fire in the late 40s that destroyed most of the town except The Camp. As such, it's very basic. It has a well and electricity was added at some point, but no plumbing. There's a two-seater outhouse and every kid brought there would try as hard as possible to "hold it" for the duration of their stay. For boys, it wasn't so bad since we could urinate fairly effortlessly outside, but for the ladies it wasn't so easy. I can remember to this day how heavy the smell in that room was. It's basically just a large, wooden, box with two toilet seats on it. I thought it was ridiculous there were two, then I realized that wasn't done so you could drop a deuce with a buddy, but so the waste could be distributed between the two because when that thing gets full, someone has to get a shovel. And it was always loaded with spiders. I don't know why spiders like hanging out in such a dank place, but when it creeps up Ren's back in that shot it's all too familiar. The Camp still stands today, barely, though I never go there anymore.

nina matsumoto
>>42732745

I'd say Simpsons changed TV writing, while Ren & Stimpy changed TV animation.

Thad Komorowski
>>42732745

I think it inarguably changed both. Until the Simpsons, adults weren’t supposed to watch cartoons of any kind; it was a kiddie ghetto. It was a popular cartoon that transcended demographics. It made it possible for a cartoonist to be a household name. It made a virtue of technically bad drawings and made them acceptable to the general public. Their influence also paved the way for ink and paint sitcoms to minimize the actual animation end of things that is a standard of adult primetime cartoons. And that’s not even getting into the writing. (This may seem like I’m piling on, but the list of stuff R&S changed for the worst would be as long. When you’re that important, you’ve got to take the bad with the good.)

Thad Komorowski

Two facts to bring this to this podcast network's main topic: - Bob Jaques to this date has only seen maybe three whole episodes of The Simpsons in their entirety. - One was "Krusty Gets Busted" and he cribbed from Brad Bird's animation of Krusty's heart attack for R&S.

Dylan (batmanboy11) Freitag

Awesome episode of the podcast, it was great hearing some firsthand details out of Bob Jacques, and in general the group of four brought great energy to this discussion of a very insane cartoon